Karizma ZMR PGM-Fi 2009 Photo Review

by Deepak on September 25, 2009

My first bike was a 2004 Karizma. I use the bike even now and I can confidently say that it is a master piece. In the previous article, Arun had reviewed the bike from a technical stand point. Here I am just reviewing the bike predominantly based on the looks and design. It’s just my opinion and it may not be the same as everyone else. So don’t take it to the heart. Feel free to leave controversial thoughts in the comments.

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The overall look of the bike is majestic. Bikers like me, especially the young men care about the looks of the bike as much as the performance. This new Karizma is an upgrade to the already successful Karizma R and hence it has a “geth” of its own. I would rather prefer to buy this one rather than an R15 which is a baby of R1. Again, it’s just my opinion, you need not make your buying decision based on my comments.

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The headlamp is definitely copied from Suzuki, but it’s all right. They say, Nothing is new under the sun. Even our language and culture is copied and manipulated from other cultures. If the first motorcycle ever launched had a seat, 2 wheels, an engine etc., then every motorcycle on road today is a copy of that original one. Got my point? :)

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The digital display looks good, but I would have preferred an analog dial for the tachometer. Hero Honda just copied the FZ and Fazer and they assumed that it was better than analog. This picture does not show how the glow is at night. My guess is that it would be in orange/yellow (i.e. amber) like that of GS150R.

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In my old Karizma, I removed the rear view mirrors because it looked ugly when attached to the handle bar. This one looks good. An adaptation from Pulsar 220.

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Rear disc brakes are very important for a bike of this price and stature. They should give this as an optional accesory for the Karizma R as well.

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There was really no need for split rear-handlebars. But they have to go with the trend. May be it looks good just because all the bikes come with such handles nowadays.

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The front part of the bike is too large compared to the rear. This is asymmetrical and does not look good to me. But it is OK. It won’t be the only cause for people who choose not to buy this bike. What do you think about the design of this bike?

- Submitted By Anonymous BikeAdvice Reader. Photos Courtesy of AneeshZ

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Deepak September 25, 2009 at 6:02 pm

Nice review. But if you don’t mind, I should say that you are a little Narrow minded. :/

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biker September 25, 2009 at 6:25 pm

these pics are from some other website
i seriously doubt that u even had a look at bike in flesh
and ur making comments

what u have written is already evident from the pics…
we wud better expect some technical full blown test drive report….

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shibin September 25, 2009 at 8:48 pm

hi…first of all i would like to tell tht m a hardcore yamaha fan and a r15 enethusiast.from seeing the bike you can easily tell tht the front fairing is copied from hayabusa/r15,headlyt from suzuki,rear mirrors from p220,tail lyt from apache…BUT i accept this makes the bike kinda unique..i think HH by releasing this bike has aimed to steal yamaha fans(this is jus a opinion,no offence meant).well in tht case i think they could have copied r1 rear(the tail lyt and the 2 exhausts) and made the rear more fleshier.that would have easily gotten them the yamaha r15 and r1 fans.i mean face it,he bike has bigger engine and good looks when the rear is copied..but anyways…yamaha is still in the game!!!GO YAMAHA!!!

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vj September 25, 2009 at 11:01 pm

wat a blah blah blah review.

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Motorbeam.com September 25, 2009 at 11:11 pm

Well the bike looks good from some angles and I wont blame anyone if they like or dislike the bike, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

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BikeBhp.com September 26, 2009 at 2:17 am

The true colors of Karizma ZMR-Fi will be revealed only after it becomes available for test ride. Until then will have to do with the pictures.

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vipin_s September 26, 2009 at 10:22 am

the new Karizma looks UGLY to me. the older one looks much much better. at least it was not a Suzuki inspired design

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nazboy September 26, 2009 at 12:37 pm

After going through the review it seems that the author is pretty much influenced by Karizma. Be it the looks or the techincal specs, its not upto the expectations of the bike enthusiasts. The front of the bike looks good but then the side view is pathetic, the rear seems to be somewhat similar to the CBZ Xtreme. The techincal specs are also not impressive. The bike just comes up with 17.6 BHP which is only 0.6 more than before. The bike weighs 159 Kgs!!!

The other features like back angle sensor and RTMI have beem taken from bikes like CBF Stunner PGMFI and TVS FLame SR125. Although its not bad to adopt good features from other bikes but there should be something unique about the bike. The only thing i was impressed was the digital console which i think has been done beautifully. Regarding the performance of the bike, lets wait until we get our hands on the bike!!

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ramnik September 26, 2009 at 4:27 pm

i really didnt liked the looks of the bike…the older one was much better..
it is big dissappointment on the part of looks….. but we can not say much before the actuall performance figures…

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Avi September 27, 2009 at 8:13 pm

@shibin:
You seem to be a true fan of Yamaha R 15, don’t want to disappoint you. Let me tell you pretty recently I bought ZMA-R. I have taken test ride and the problem I felt with Yamaha R 15 was my gesture, its too short… tiny in all respect (weight too just 120 kg), height etc.. I am 6 feet high, and I felt very uncomfortable on it. Power is there but if you think stability at high speed (100-110 kmph)…ZMA is unparalleled. Never thought of buying Pulsar 220, don’t like the looks at all. A big NO to all Bajaj bikes in general. HH engines are silent and smooth. Maximum speed of Pulsar 220 may be higher…but it’s not only the speed that always matters the riding pleasure should also be there.

shibin: hi…first of all i would like to tell tht m a hardcore yamaha fan and a r15 enethusiast.from seeing the bike you can easily tell tht the front fairing is copied from hayabusa/r15,headlyt from suzuki,rear mirrors from p220,tail lyt from apache…BUT i accept this makes the bike kinda unique..i think HH by releasing this bike has aimed to steal yamaha fans(this is jus a opinion,no offence meant).wellin tht case i think they could have copied r1 rear(the tail lyt and the 2 exhausts) and made the rear more fleshier.that would have easily gotten them the yamaha r15 and r1 fans.i mean face it,he bike has bigger engine and good looks when the rear is copied..but anyways…yamaha is still in the game!!!GO YAMAHA!!!

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Abhi December 26, 2010 at 8:03 am

@shibin…what do u mean by KK wants to steal yamaha fans..its a competitive market…every one has t vie with each other to be in market…i think u r a vacuos person…

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Deepak September 28, 2009 at 7:39 am

vipin_s: the new Karizma looks UGLY to me. the older one looks much much better. at least it was not a Suzuki inspired design

The old Karizma’s design was not an original one either. It was inspired by the Honda VFR

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Nishant September 28, 2009 at 8:19 am

I wonder how years of reliability and experience of Hero Honda which is also the trend setter in the market could be copared to atleast Bajaj?

I have rode HH Splendor for 7 years now and now going to buy the Karizma ZMR. I have known the respect for Zma since it got lanuched in 2003.

I know it can only get better!!

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Chinmay September 28, 2009 at 9:34 pm

Air cooled engine with close body?…..Good luck to all the buyers and so to the manufacturer.

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sawn rolens September 29, 2009 at 12:15 am

the combination is good ..but lets see
how it performs on road…

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mady September 29, 2009 at 10:38 pm

@shibin
shibin: hi…first of all i would like to tell tht m a hardcore yamaha fan and a r15 enethusiast.from seeing the bike you can easily tell tht the front fairing is copied from hayabusa/r15,headlyt from suzuki,rear mirrors from p220,tail lyt from apache…BUT i accept this makes the bike kinda unique..i think HH by releasing this bike has aimed to steal yamaha fans(this is jus a opinion,no offence meant).wellin tht case i think they could have copied r1 rear(the tail lyt and the 2 exhausts) and made the rear more fleshier.that would have easily gotten them the yamaha r15 and r1 fans.i mean face it,he bike has bigger engine and good looks when the rear is copied..but anyways…yamaha is still in the game!!!GO YAMAHA!!!

my fren ever have u heard of HONDA VFR1000 !!!!!!
I am sure not……as in “half knowlegde is of no use” buddy the whole concept of hh zma is based on vfr1000 and its new design is too based on it look closely its headlight and fairing u will get the idea

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Himanshu September 30, 2009 at 12:24 am

idiotic bike , cmon , after 6 years all they gve us is a bike with front windshield from apache , headlight frm gs150r , cmplte fairing frm hayabusa , side view mirrors frm pulsar 220 , tail light frm cbz extrme na ancient outdated engine . a big flop

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Himanshu September 30, 2009 at 12:27 am

i wudnt take it evn fr free . horrible assembly , bad slow engine . apache rtr 180 cn smke it in a drag easily

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Anshuman September 30, 2009 at 7:04 pm

i think herohonda is out of good rnd people thats why all new bikes are only cosmetic upgrade with few modification nothing else. some says do not look at power it a good commutator bike (riding pleasure) if you want pleasure then go for Royal Enfield then say which is a good commutator underpower bike with high price rate go for Apache 180 pulsar 180 you get all these features or we can say more feature at less price.
on thing i want to say herohonda loots the money from people as its bikes are more costlier acording their capacity.

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harry September 30, 2009 at 11:56 pm

hh sucks.. bajaj is best… go for p220..!! its simply Awsm!!

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atul October 1, 2009 at 2:29 pm

extremely biased review..this…the bie looks yuck to me..esp the seriously asymmetrical & large fairing..fit nd finish looks cheap too..thumbs down to this one…waitin eagerly for october 5!!

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nitin surya October 6, 2009 at 10:02 pm

engine should be oil cooled.because bajaj have this feature

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Ajay Verma October 9, 2009 at 1:44 am

The core extract of this comparison is – P220 is better in all the respects whether it is power, speed or features. ZMA(PGMFI) is nothing but a foolish kind of an upgrade so as to tell the market that they still exist. When it comes to R&D or actual upgrade they (HH) always come up with some rubbish change in the existing product.

To be very clear, I am not a die hard fan of Yamaha, Bajaj, TVS or any other brand name. I always go by the facts, and the fact is- ZMA is a low end product with the same 223cc engine with a very small upgrade of less than 1 bhp. HH should learn from Bajaj or Yamaha for how to get more power out of the lesser engine capacity. R15 is able to deliver 17 bhp out of 150cc, that ways the ZMA should have at least 25 bhp(as per power to cc ratio of R15). Also they should come out of the legacy of twin shox at the rear. If one says that this is a sports bike, it should have a mono shox, to be able to look like the real sport bike. This is an Indian mentality that mono shox is not strong enough, but my friends you should know that all over the world super bikes and even the dirt bikes have mono shox only. If you don’t know its your fault and I can guarantee that you all will feel that ZMA is a big loser.

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shiva October 9, 2009 at 2:00 pm

Once again the legend has proved it. common zma boys now no one is going to chase us if we have this bike

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shiva October 9, 2009 at 2:08 pm

First know about the standard of Hero Honda and then try to give a comment about hero honda.
some examples for Hero Honda Standerds
splendor- launched in1990′s still in market
passion- launched in 1996 still in market
CBZ- launced in 1998 still in market
Karizma-2003 still in market

Bajaj
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Caliber-not in market now
caliber115-not in market now
croma-not in market now
boxer-not in market now
wind125-not in market now
pulser200-not in market now

Tvs
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Fiero-not in market now
fierof2-not in market now
victor-not in market now
max R-not in market now
Centra-not in market now

So know about the standerd and quality and then you speak
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Admin plz display this msg all of them want to know about the standerd of Hero Honda,Bajaj, Tvs

Ajay Verma: The core extract of this comparison is – P220 is better in all the respects whether it is power, speed or features. ZMA(PGMFI) is nothing but a foolish kind of an upgrade so as to tell the market that they still exist. When it comes to R&D or actual upgrade they (HH) always come up with some rubbish change in the existing product.To be very clear, I am not a die hard fan of Yamaha, Bajaj, TVS or any other brand name. I always go by the facts, and the fact is- ZMA is a low end product with the same 223cc engine with a very small upgrade of less than 1 bhp. HH should learn from Bajaj or Yamaha for how to get more power out of the lesser engine capacity. R15 is able to deliver 17 bhp out of 150cc, that ways the ZMA should have at least 25 bhp(as per power to cc ratio of R15). Also they should come out of the legacy of twin shox at the rear. If one says that this is a sports bike, it should have a mono shox, to be able to look like the real sport bike. This is an Indian mentality that mono shox is not strong enough, but my friends you should know that all over the world super bikes and even the dirt bikes have mono shox only. If you don’t know its your fault and I can guarantee that you all will feel that ZMA is a big loser.

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shiva October 9, 2009 at 2:18 pm

First ask indian goverment to put the road in proper way in all states and also in villages then karizma will introduce the Mon shock suspension

Ajay Verma: The core extract of this comparison is – P220 is better in all the respects whether it is power, speed or features. ZMA(PGMFI) is nothing but a foolish kind of an upgrade so as to tell the market that they still exist. When it comes to R&D or actual upgrade they (HH) always come up with some rubbish change in the existing product.To be very clear, I am not a die hard fan of Yamaha, Bajaj, TVS or any other brand name. I always go by the facts, and the fact is- ZMA is a low end product with the same 223cc engine with a very small upgrade of less than 1 bhp. HH should learn from Bajaj or Yamaha for how to get more power out of the lesser engine capacity. R15 is able to deliver 17 bhp out of 150cc, that ways the ZMA should have at least 25 bhp(as per power to cc ratio of R15). Also they should come out of the legacy of twin shox at the rear. If one says that this is a sports bike, it should have a mono shox, to be able to look like the real sport bike. This is an Indian mentality that mono shox is not strong enough, but my friends you should know that all over the world super bikes and even the dirt bikes have mono shox only. If you don’t know its your fault and I can guarantee that you all will feel that ZMA is a big loser.

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Shiva14 October 9, 2009 at 4:30 pm

R u a pulser wala .
See your bike is going to be loose all its perfomance,chainspacket and etc,etc,
this is truth there is no standred in bajaj production nowadays
They produced in good standerd when they had a tie up with Kawasaki but tat was ended in2003
I agree with Bajaj Pulsar has got more specifications and power when compare to Karizma but they are reducing the quality of their standard to selling it in low cost.
A good company should have a standard not only the sales growth

Ajay Verma: The core extract of this comparison is – P220 is better in all the respects whether it is power, speed or features. ZMA(PGMFI) is nothing but a foolish kind of an upgrade so as to tell the market that they still exist. When it comes to R&D or actual upgrade they (HH) always come up with some rubbish change in the existing product.To be very clear, I am not a die hard fan of Yamaha, Bajaj, TVS or any other brand name. I always go by the facts, and the fact is- ZMA is a low end product with the same 223cc engine with a very small upgrade of less than 1 bhp. HH should learn from Bajaj or Yamaha for how to get more power out of the lesser engine capacity. R15 is able to deliver 17 bhp out of 150cc, that ways the ZMA should have at least 25 bhp(as per power to cc ratio of R15). Also they should come out of the legacy of twin shox at the rear. If one says that this is a sports bike, it should have a mono shox, to be able to look like the real sport bike. This is an Indian mentality that mono shox is not strong enough, but my friends you should know that all over the world super bikes and even the dirt bikes have mono shox only. If you don’t know its your fault and I can guarantee that you all will feel that ZMA is a big loser.

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Ajay Verma October 10, 2009 at 3:34 am

I said earlier also, its Indian mentality to think that mono shox is not strong enough. My frnd have you ever seen a dirt race? All the bikes jump from a heights of atleast 20 – 25 feets and that too with a mono shox. Mono shox is more stronger and stable than dual shox becoz of better center of gravity. If you don’t know/ understand this, I can’t help it.
To answer that HH splendor still exists in the market doesn’t mean that it is the best product in every respect. Maruti 800 also exists in the market from last 25yrs,, that does not mean that the quality is better than BMW or Mercedes. Here we are comparing two premium segment bikes, we should not be talking abt commuters. Since the expectation at this level is supposed to be of premium level. Just to let u know that I own a Unicorn, that doesn’t mean that it is the best bike.

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pradeep krishna October 15, 2010 at 7:24 pm

he is talking abt indian market where are u from..

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Ajay Verma October 10, 2009 at 4:16 am

If you want to follow the legacy, then why don’t you go for Royal Enfield? It still exists from more than half a century. Try to understand the class of the product and them compare it.

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Ashok Seervi October 11, 2009 at 1:11 pm

all of the answer of your question will be infront of you when ZMR on road

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Subhendu October 11, 2009 at 3:29 pm

Hi,,

I have a karizma, which I feel is a really good bike to ride, But i dont like the R models and now this new model something looks like to me is unfinished..
Reasons are –

Bikers really like to have a good Front view as well as the Rear view ( but it only emphasized on the Front )
The mirrors are not looking good, its not just about placing it anywhere.
It should have a wide Rear tire this time,,
It should have a new sheet style
It shouldnt have gone for the Apache style of split rear handle bars..

hope for HH to atleast launch a new one to compete with the coming bike market..

Thank you

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Vinil October 11, 2009 at 9:45 pm

Guys….seriously after going thru the comments and the war that is going on…rather than reviewing there is war between fans….of bike Producers…
Frankly Speaking…am a fan of bikes for there performance and looks….I own a HH CBZ…which is quite stable even in Highspeeds..and the competitor for this is Pulsar 150…which is quite bad in performance….related to breaking and there were couple of major injuries to your groins when you drive Pulsars…(Major Design Flaw)
I have enhanced myself with Karizma 220….and its the same good sturdy bike and lovable and WOW factor on roads even now…which Pulsar 180,200 or 220 could ever achieve it….but definetly Pulsar 220 is loaded with many features but was lacking WOW.
But after long years waiting for a new Bike HH disappointed me of launching the same engine..with more weight and body covering…and I felt that it lacks WOW….and the recent bikes after Yamaha 100cc the company is wiping out with new additions….which was quite disappointing for me….and cant make a decision to looks do i need to reduce CC….

So guys….HH would definitely need to revisit and launch for all HH lovers….

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pratik October 13, 2009 at 1:18 pm

old bajaj n tvs bikes r not in the market b’coz they keep upgrading their products frequently. e.g.- almost evry year u find a new upgrade of the pulsar.
but HH delivers the same old things……
moreovr the hh engines r not that responsive compared to bajaj’s n tvs’s n yamaha’s.
jst compare the zmr with p220.
p220 gives 21 bhp whereas zmr still is stuck at 17.x bhp.
its a 220+ cc bike but power wise its only comparable 2 p200 & rtr 180 & r15.
coming to the looks. this bike looks blunt! ont go by the brand for a minute and ask yourself. p220 looks fr better then this thing. ZMR is wat i wud call a combination of the best from other bikes [looks wise] to make things worse….
the silencer looks dumb and centuries old. and the fairing does not go with the overall size of the bike! the rear end looks pathetic and low to the ground…..
therefore i think p200/220 or yamaha r 15 wud make a better deal.
but the bike i just love is FZ, FZ-S n the new FAZER! superb looks, engine and handling & comfort!!!
thanx yamaha.

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abcd October 13, 2009 at 1:29 pm

whats the use of having two wheel discs when you dont have enuf power to go that fast?????

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abcd October 13, 2009 at 1:33 pm

front look of the zmr is kind of a hybrid n minimized version of the suzuki GSX750R and GSX1300R.
what say guys?

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Ajay Verma October 13, 2009 at 10:41 pm

I think, now the ZMA lovers must have got the answers for all their thoughts and misunderstandings about the looks, features and competency of Karizma ZMR (PGMFI). They don’t not even think of all these facts and just post something which came out of their emotions. Truly speaking I don’t have any enmity for HH, but the problem is they are not giving their 100%. Often they (HH) do only cosmetic changes to make fool out of some non tech savvy customers, who don’t know the difference between CC, BHP & torque.

10 yrs back when HH designed the CBZ, that time it was the biggest gift for all the Indian bikers. But off late that was replaced by Pulsar, bcoz they (Bajaj) believe in continuous improvement and hence they overshadowed the CBZ.

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Ajay Verma October 14, 2009 at 1:49 am

shiva: First ask indian goverment to put the road in proper way in all states and also in villages then karizma will introduce the Mon shock suspension

The answer to ur question – http://bikeadvice.in/features-of-monocross-suspension-technology/

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Vinil October 14, 2009 at 8:56 am

Guys….We cant complain the govt for Roads….its the way the public…use it…Public should take the responsibilty that they stay here and should own the responsibility of ones own roads….which dont happen in our country..so lets not debate about it….

Yeah I understand that back of HH is pathetic…but please let me know one of the bikes which had been launched is a perfect combi of all 3?

Yamaha….they have provided discs, Looks but didnt increase the CC it still remains at old 150 last but not least they have just come with great futuristic designs

Bajaj – They advance by launching new bikes, designs and increase in CC,Bhp and torque but last but not least safety of the rider…which is not taken into consideration…CC is not proportional to the weight..lest causing too many accidents on road

HH – Stability, Rider Comfort and yeah they are stuck with the same CC…which is bit disappointing for HH fans….but need to live with it….a guy who owns Karizma cant go down to Yamaha but need to get tempted for its new looks…I say Yamaha will occupy the market….but dont forget HH is a cool customer with surprises….

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Satish Kumar October 17, 2009 at 6:10 pm

Hi Guys… I would say this bike is good but not worth the price….No major power boost compared to R version even after using FI and oil cooling….power could have been more as we have disk doing duty at both end of the bike??….rear is copied from CBZ Xtreme not sure why!!!! do we really need that X for Karitzma :)

Drive for Fun
– Sathish Kumar

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Satish Kumar October 17, 2009 at 6:13 pm

Hi Guys… I would say this bike is good but not worth the price….No major power boost compared to R version even after using FI and oil cooling….power could have been more as we have disk doing duty at both end of the bike??….rear is copied from CBZ Xtreme not sure why!!!! do we really need that X for Karitzma :)

Drive for Fun
– Satish Kumar

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rakesh October 18, 2009 at 8:24 pm

Chinmay: Air cooled engine with close body?…..Good luck to all the buyers and so to the manufacturer.

the engine is oil cooled and not air cooled

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Chinmay Dangre October 19, 2009 at 4:42 pm

Dear Rakesh,
Thanks for the Info. and correcting me.

All the engines are basically oil cooled engines. Whether the engine cooling system is liquid or air based. The oil goes on the top(HEAD)for the rocker, valve n cam section and comes back to the sump, in that procedure it also cools the engine. If the vehicle has jackets for the cooling, which carries oil then it is called oil cooled engine. just like water jackets for cooling in the car or SBK or R15. The engine which is called oil cooled are bassically having oil cooler so they are actually air cooled engines. The given cooler is to cool the oil and to enhance the cooling capacity. If a vehicle comes with oil cooling jackets then the heat will be high rather than low. Because heat carrying capacity or the accumalation is always high in oil. Oil takes lot of time to cool itself. So it can’t cool the engine rapidly. So there is a huge diff. between oil cooled engines and liquid cooled engines. New ZMA has fins over the block/cylinder for cooling that means the bike is getting cooled by air.
Here in ZMA, it has fairing from all over the engine which is bad for engine cooling. The amount of AIR which required to cool is very less. All the air cooled engines need enough open area for cooling.
This gimmic was started from Bajaj in p200 n 220cc engines. Basically concept of oil cooling is old enough but saying oil cooled engine separately is just a misguiding.
The first bike in India was from Hyosung, who entered with oil coolers on their machines. AQUILA and GT Comet 250. (If I am not mistaking in this.)

The basic name or the technical name of the concept is “Hybrid Cooling”. Due to the circulation of oil through oil cooler/oil radiator, cold or cool oil comes on the head and helps in cooling system.

Now in India the same concept is running in four wheeler section. For example, it is given in Maruti Suzuki SWIFT. There are seperate coolers for
1. Air intake
2. Oil
3. AC
4. Engine.

Air Intake called Intercooler this is given bcoz this car has turbo system on board. The oil cooler well as I have already mentioned it before. And other coolers I hope you know them very well.

I hope I have written right. Please feel free to write comment on this.
Thank You.

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vivek October 21, 2009 at 1:02 am

r15 is better than karizma zmr

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george October 22, 2009 at 10:44 pm

HI…with due respect all bikers..Karizma is a touring bike,and not a racing bike,(well,it can race though) you cannot find the comfort of a karizma in an r15. i find a lot of people comparing karizma with an r15,(oh,check out the top speed) and furthermore ther’s a lot of difference between a 223cc engine and a 150cc engine. and its not aas easy as some people think ie to increase the power of the bike.!!..ther are alot of factors to be considered.

vj: wat a blah blah blah review.

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Ajay Verma October 28, 2009 at 9:06 pm

george: HI…with due respect all bikers..Karizma is a touring bike,and not a racing bike,(well,it can race though) you cannot find the comfort of a karizma in an r15. i find a lot of people comparing karizma with an r15,(oh,check out the top speed) and furthermore ther’s a lot of difference between a 223cc engine and a 150cc engine. and its not aas easy as some people think ie to increase the power of the bike.!!..ther are alot of factors to be considered.

Hello,
Have you ever seen the new addvertisement of karizma, it talks about speed only. That means HH is promoting ZMA as a racer bike not a touring bike. And if it is a racing bike, then it has already lost the race to R15 & P220. Caz when we talk about racing only power matters and ZMA lacks in power when compare to the nearest competitors. Sooooooooo SAD.

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Brian October 30, 2009 at 12:54 pm

Now this was one of the best review disasters of all times….
Killer comments….
keep it going guys….
It helps riders like me…. :D

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Ajay Verma October 30, 2009 at 6:16 pm

If you want something more about the comparison of premium segment bikes, refer the Sept’09 spl edition of Overdrive magazine.

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shibin October 31, 2009 at 1:55 pm

Ajay Verma: If you want something more about the comparison of premium segment bikes, refer the Sept’09 spl edition of Overdrive magazine.

mady: @shibinshibin: hi…first of all i would like to tell tht m a hardcore yamaha fan and a r15 enethusiast.from seeing the bike you can easily tell tht the front fairing is copied from hayabusa/r15,headlyt from suzuki,rear mirrors from p220,tail lyt from apache…BUT i accept this makes the bike kinda unique..i think HH by releasing this bike has aimed to steal yamaha fans(this is jus a opinion,no offence meant).wellin tht case i think they could have copied r1 rear(the tail lyt and the 2 exhausts) and made the rear more fleshier.that would have easily gotten them the yamaha r15 and r1 fans.i mean face it,he bike has bigger engine and good looks when the rear is copied..but anyways…yamaha is still in the game!!!GO YAMAHA!!!my fren ever have u heard of HONDA VFR1000 !!!!!!I am sure not……as in “half knowlegde is of no use” buddy the whole concept of hh zma is based on vfr1000 and its new design is too based on it look closely its headlight and fairing u will get the idea

kk….first of all this is a indian bike website,and we r talkin abt a bike hh released in india….i dont give a damn abt vfr1000 cuz its not in india unless sum rich guy imports it to india….this proves that u have nuthin up there..i am a indian living in kuwait…any sports car r any sports bike u name it ive seen it…hell,ive even driven a lamborghini and my big brother has a yamaha r1…so wat i tryin to tell is think b4 u comment on sumthin….

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Ajay Verma November 5, 2009 at 2:27 am

shibin: kk….first of all this is a indian bike website,and we r talkin abt a bike hh released in india….i dont give a damn abt vfr1000 cuz its not in india unless sum rich guy imports it to india….this proves that u have nuthin up there..i am a indian living in kuwait…any sports car r any sports bike u name it ive seen it…hell,ive even driven a lamborghini and my big brother has a yamaha r1…so wat i tryin to tell is think b4 u comment on sumthin….  (Quote & Reply)

I am talking about Indian premium segment bike not the global. Did you ever look at the see the topic in the magazine I am talking about? For ur kind information it’s an Indian edition.

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Sesh November 6, 2009 at 12:00 am

India Yamaha bikes are very small in size, they look like toys, even the quality of materials which they r using other than engine is very poor where as hero honda its good comparatively, engine its fine not to wary about, but the worst is bajaj there engine its very poor, they don’t have life and u need to change piston very soon but outer body looks good…..

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Abhinandan November 12, 2009 at 12:43 pm

Hi guyz,
I am not here to compare any bike im here to give u a real review of my experience.
I had bought this NEW PGM FI ZMR and run 2000km till now.
i had test my bike through all conditions.
thers some good and bad experience.
ok first some good. ill talk about performance only:-
till now i run my bike at top speed 110km/h. the bike is steady but vibrates a lot.
Pick up is quite outstanding.
Average of the bike in city: 45 to 50km/l.
on highway: if u run in between 40 to 60 the average is 60km/l to 70km/l.
but wen u start running it in between 60 to 70 it will come to 30km/l to 40km/l.
wen u run it in between 70 to 90km/h it will come to 29 to 19km/l.
above 90km/h the average is 19km/l only…
Braking: 5 out of 5.
Handling: 5 out of 5.

Thanks for your time.
with regards
Abhinandan

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Gaurav Kochar November 12, 2009 at 11:49 pm

Karizma ZMR – i am nt talking abt the pros and cons or copying the features and specifications from other sites. just consider what i want o convey: Average maintainence per KM is approx Rs 7. Yes every KM u drive will cost u Rs 7. Be smart n start calculating visit a service centre nt showroom and ask for price and life of spares. E.g Karizma ZMR Front Disc Pads costs 2200 RS and last for only 8000Kms, Aprrox 1.5 RS/Km is the fuel and dont forget to check the price of clutch plates, chain sets, plastics part, wear n tear, etc cost and also hw can i risk myu money with the FI engine that was not succesful with glamor, Honda stunner and all bajaj bikes. bajaj have withdrwan the same coz it was a complete failiure. I am a passionate biker n luv to drive 400 Kms in a day(Once in 6 months)If at an avg u drive 30 Kms a day approx 10,000 Kms in a year will cost u the cost of the bike.

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Brian November 15, 2009 at 11:13 pm

HMMMMMM….
I think every 1 likes their own byk….
well…i have an apache RTR 180….and m lovin it…
Lookin forward to racing wid a zmr….
Theres always something about racing karizma guys…
They feel they have the best bike in the world…..no offence
(mebbe it is)
i guess on top speed they would beat me….
But on the streets of mumbai….4th gear battles do the trick….
All you zmr folks….bring it on..!!!
Cheers!!!
|peace|

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Seshu.ym November 16, 2009 at 11:39 pm

Hi all, nonsns replys, ZMR is looking good, and some are saying its not good coz they cant pay spend 105000 for the bike, see HH is fare better than Bajaj when comprd coz Bajaj Engns are utter wast, yamaha fine but very short bikes not suited to all indians, external body fittings are very cheep and talking about zmr only thing we have to see is will the PGM Fi works, i think it will coz Honda will support with its technology, some of the people around me go for pulsar only coz it has pikup but it lasts only for max 2 years after that clutch plates gone, and comes for Bore……..

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Praveen November 17, 2009 at 8:35 am

Hi Abhinandan,

Thanks for your feeback, I can’t believe when you said 19kmpl after 90kmph… Yes I know speed influences mileage a lot, but after that single comment of yours I’ve made my mind not to buy it… the second as you said is about vibrations, Vibrations in such a bike is simply unacceptable atleast should cruise at steady 110 for hours with out vibes…. I been riding Unicorn since last 2 years did almost 25k kms its still rock sold at 100kmph with no vibrations and wobbles a little after 110kmph on speedo and gives a decent 40kmph at speeds over 90kmph. A bike like BMW GSR1200 gives a decent 20kmph at a constant 150kmph.. Just wondering how could you manage so much mileage so little time…

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Avi December 30, 2009 at 1:57 am

guys , little help here
Prob: Usual , buying
Choice , : initially liked ZMR , reviews makes me look like a jackass , but here r some needs …..
daily tour : 4 – 5 kms
looks : should be above standard …. u guys know best
price limit : upto 1 G

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Pranesh February 19, 2010 at 2:35 am

WOW WOW!!! man thanks for the Reviewer!!! And a Special hand to 2 witty dudes!!!!
“Ajay Verma & Chinmay Dangre”.. But Ajay u cud have been quite courteous about people who don’t have much of the technical aspects. But considering the amount of knowledge you shared, I think we can take it positive critisism. Anyways, let me come to the point straight away!!! I wanna buy a real good bike.. I am a bike-buff.. love to change them very often…. I started with Kinetic
-marvel while i was in 11th std… then HH-Passion while I was college 1st year…. then pulsar-200 during my 1year of joining office, then Royal-Enfield Thunderbird!!!!! I loved thunderbird (Still Love it) …. i was almost in a dilemma of selling the bike…. made my mind alas to sell the bike…. Only cos of the maintenance..it costs me abt some 3-5k per month!!!! excluding the fuel expenses 935-40km/l– this was compromising though)…. But the bike was DAMN DAMN GUD!!!! Godly-Comfort one can experience…….. Deadly Sturdy!!!!! Abt the next adventure, i had some options in ma mind… Out if which Karishm-ZMR (Now ruled out!!!!) after ur wonderful exploration!!! I thot i cud pt for Ninja 250R.. but there re 2 factors which stops me.. the cost it’s almost WHOOPING 3 LAKHS!!! secondly it takes 2 months…. I wannna get something really unique….. now i have juz the new FAZER in second thoughts it (since looks aren’t too impressive– For me of course) plz suggest me a gud ideal bike.. i can spare upto 1.5 Lakhs….. not more than that….. any idea we will get a 2nd ninja somewhere???? or atleast suggest some really gud bike..

Plz mail me if possible reg this suggestion– praneshnallan2002@yahoo.com

Thanx in advance

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Ajay Verma February 19, 2010 at 6:21 pm

Hi Pranesh,

I am basically a very calm guy yaar, but sometimes it happens, sorry for that if I did hurt anyone.

Per my understanding, if you can spend upto 1.5 lakhs; then why don’t you look for YZF R15? Though it has only 150 CC with 17 BHP, but it has a liquid cooled 4 valve fuel injected engine 6 speed gearbox with optimized gear shift ratio so expect a smoother ride. And as far as the speed and stability is concerned it is no second to ZMR(PGMFI), indeed its better when it comes to cornering and if you want to be familiar with a super bike. It has monocross suspension with disk brakes at both the ends. So I would suggest you to test ride the YZF R15 and I am sure that you’ll like it. That is a sports bike in every sense, so go for it.

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ram April 8, 2010 at 11:32 pm

haii is there any chance to fit the zmr digital speedo to zma. .

plz post ur views .

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abhineet April 28, 2010 at 12:24 am

guys…for god’s sake don’t compare ZMR with R15….ZMR has got finely tuned engine, better looks, and atleast it is more symmetric than R15(as its rear tires are not much wider)…yaar only engine specs are not the criteria for the bike to be gud or bad,its comfortability, quality, accessories etc are considered…the persons saying it is very costly should also see the sensors installed in it….as a mechanical engg. i assure u that its performance will be same even after a long period of time…and practically speaking wat u will do of 21HP engine,do u have to plough a farmland or wat? u shld go 4 a bike which has got gud looks & a compromise between power and mileage.

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manoj May 27, 2010 at 3:37 pm

hi…
first of alll;
any bike impress customers by his look. can u imagine to marry a girl who is ugly or u look loke a fool while walk with her. every girl has same thing but beauty matters.so the bike is almost like that oh.so plzz dont buy this ugly creature in the name of hero honda karizma .ok!!!!!!
go 4 ninja-r or r4-250.

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ssiddharthh charran surryawanshi December 5, 2010 at 9:58 pm

this karizma is a better opt than the r15 cause after all the money spent is the same but what u get is a larger feeling bike than the yamaha which is a hooping 75 cc more and more relaxed comuuting is guranteed,although i rode both the bikes but the karizma is greast comfortable bike for long or short distances but the r15 is not so comfortable its better suited for race track as it has better handling

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shabeer July 13, 2012 at 11:55 am

Super Bike.Then long fast asthe control bike.Myfavorate bike Karishma zmr.

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