Yamaha FZ16 Vs. TVS Apache RTR Fi

by Deepak on December 21, 2008

Many readers have mailed me asking whether they should choose the TVS Apache RTR Fi or the Yamaha FZ16. Both the bikes fall in the same segment of engine capacity and price range and I agree it is a tough decision to make. I made some research on both the bikes and here it the comparison to help you decide the right one for you. I have compared both the bikes in different aspects.

Handling: When it comes to ease of riding, there is nothing like the Yamaha FZ16 on the roads. The bike has a lot of mid-range torque which makes it easier in city riding conditions. You do not have to keep shifting the gears often and getting back to normal speeds from a slow down is done easily.The sitting position is upright and is great except while cruising in the highways. The wide tyres of FZ16 makes it very easy to twist and turn in the urban area and gives a better feeling of stability than the Apache.

While the TVS Apache RTR Fi does a good job in the highways, you cannot expect a great handling in the city. The tyres are not wide enough compared to the FZ16 and the sitting position is sporty which is not the best posture for urban commutes. Apache can never match upto the FZ16 in the streets. Yamaha as aptly named the bike as the lord of the streets.

Performance: The Apache RTR gets a stage to show off its muscles only in the highways. Being more powerful with 2PS than the FZ16, it clearly outperforms the Yam and goes far ahead of it. The FZ16 being designed for power in the mid range, it does not pull you as expected after you cross the 85kmph mark.

The main disappointing factor in the Apache is that the engine is not so smooth and produces vibrations which may turn down a lot of prospective buyers. And another point to mention is the poor performance of the tyres, which does not do a good job of holding the bike stable while taking high speed curves in the highways. If it was equipped with better tyres, it would definitely leave the FZ16 out of sight. The Yamaha FZ16 surely gives you better confidence while turning at high speeds and will not ask you to slow down.

Styling: This is one area which gives a boost to the FZ16 in the battle between the two bikes. While TVS Apache RTR is also a good looking bike with nice sporty design and fairings, nothing comes like the FZ16. This is a new design concept in the stables of Indian bike market and as always, Yamaha will not cease to bring new concepts in design as it had done with the Fazer several years back. The muscular tank, bold head lamps and wide rear tyres are some of the unique styling features of the Yamaha FZ16. Definitely will turn more heads than the Apache.

Conclusion: I cannot select a winner between these two bikes because of a variety of factors to be considered. If you are ready to spend Rs.3000 more than the FZ16 and get a real high performance engine, Apache RTR Fi would be your choice. But if you are attracted by the sensational design of the FZ16, the wide rear tyres and the bold head lamp, welcome to Yamaha community. If you want to spend Rs.6000 less than FZ16 and still want a adrenaline pumping performance, the Apache RTR carb version will do good for you.

If you ask my personal choice, it would be the FZ16 because of the new design concept, excellent handling, the Yamaha brand and the cute handle bar. I hope this review helps you make the right choice, and as always, post a comment if you have any more questions.

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avikal December 21, 2008 at 9:05 pm

hey ppl….this is not done…..i mean atleast be gentle and smart enough to the difference between the world’s best bike producers and a so do company….tel u what yamaha is far far far AHEAD of tvs so plz stop makinh thz nonsense comparisons….everysingle part pulls the FZ to perfection end…no doubt….

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Areef October 12, 2010 at 10:09 pm

I think this smart fellow already bought FZ16 !!!!!!!

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Geno November 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm

Hello Avikal….. why cant you compare RTR with FZ?? Just because RTR is from TVS? I own both bikes… and RX 100 and the RTR 160. As you know nothing stands with RX 100 and I get somewhat the same experience with riding the RTR along with the racing posture, good mileage and more power.

I rode the FZ and i should say it has just got the looks and other than that it is just crap in a glittery wrapper….. don’t misguide folks out there struggling to make a decision.

2ps more power than the FZ….. get to a drag with RTR and u’d know FZ can’t even smell the smoke of RTR….

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Inannonymous December 7, 2010 at 9:43 am

well..I saw, upto almost 60kmph, fz has ability to catch rtr’s tail. after that, of course a different story begins. if TVS delivered quality rubber with it, it would be always on the horizon. But I also like fz for its astonishing look and I just love its butter smooth gear.

Indian Cars December 22, 2008 at 5:11 am

I too would choose the FZ16. Plainly because the FZ16 is a much better bike than the Apache. The FZ16 has very good torque and rides much better than the RTR in the city.

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jerin December 22, 2008 at 6:56 am

hey!! thanks dude…
many of us have been looking forward for good comaprisons
between the the fz and apache..

this is going to be my first bike. like most of you i’m too not able to decide. here is y…

first priority is riding comfort..
yamaha is excellent but apache efi gives vibrations. thats bad.
mostly for city rides, so in terms of control too yamaha wins here..

second priority is mileage.
mileage is a max of 40kmpl in city’s for the yamaha.
50kmpl for apache efi..
wt will be the mileage after 1 yr?(pls answr this .. i honestly dont know.)

3rd.. style
yamaha of course… apache is not bad either..

yamaha’s mud guards dont keep the dirt off your back neither off your engine.. all other bikes does it..

yamaha leads in technology and trust..

i prefer apache’s dashboard to that of yamaha’s.
i love the apache’s handle bar design ..

pillion rider space and comfort ?
i guess its the apache doing better here..

fz’s colours can be changed for just 3 grand..
other bike’s dont even have such an option..

fz has no engine guard..
besides engine and muffler(rt?) are made of fiber. hw gud will they be?

fz has no kick start. will the self start work whatsoever or will i have to ask somebody to push my brand new bike to get it started?

apache’s tires are no good.. safety and control are primary factors for any bike..

the only thing as you mentioned keeping me away from the apache is the engine quality, vibrations and after sale’s service..

my status:
cost is not a factor(for these 2 bikes only :) )..
ready to sacrifice mileage if mud guard and self start issues of the fz are taken care of..

Pls note: all i have put in here are what i got from various sites.. i would like to repeat again. i have no prior riding experience..

i’m neither blaming any side. i’m just trying to find out which would suit me best…
thanks guys..

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Haricharan December 23, 2008 at 1:37 pm

though it was useful.. I am looking for the answer of missing kick rod for FZ16… and odd head lamp?? is self start enough for it in this winter season?

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Shashank September 8, 2011 at 11:39 am

U can have kick in ur yanaha Fz bike… jst, it will cost you 2000 Inr. But personaly, i feel that kick is not required in high priority.

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Deepak December 23, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Haricharan, everyone has been talking about the only selfstart option but no one ever reported the problem. So far it has been only a potentail problem and I think Yamaha is careful in that area. Don’t worry about it. And the head lamp is a new style, if you don’t like it, dont buy it. I hope it helps!

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vivek james December 25, 2008 at 10:59 am

hi guys,
it is my first msg to this foram. plz dont compare these 2 bikes. coz they are made for different purposes. fz16 is ment for city commuting. apache rtr efi is ment for performance. so dont compare.

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Srinath December 27, 2008 at 3:00 am

U have compared the RTR Carb with the FZ. Fi comes with rear disc whereas the pic depicted here has a drum brake.

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Deepak December 27, 2008 at 4:30 am

Srinath, The article is focussed on Fi version, the image is just a spice up. Don’t worry about the pic.

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Zarar Khan December 30, 2008 at 7:59 am

1-whz thr so much waiting for ths bike. i mean y isnt yamaha jst selling off the bikes in minimum days whn thrz a demand.
2-some ppl r sayin tht d mileage is upto 30-35 is tht a fact.
3-will thr b a good resale vaule fr ths bike comparing to honda company.
thanx guys it really satisfied me wth ur reveiws.
plz help. Thank u!!

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Yogesh December 30, 2008 at 9:48 am

Hi Frnds,
Me too have gone to various comparisions bet Apache and FZ1. Was planning to bye a bike, main purpose being a mountain bike tour to Ladakh and other places, besides regular usage in city. SElf start is really a concern in FZ1. Can anybody guide me?

Yogesh

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Kailash December 30, 2008 at 5:09 pm

So far the best/true comparison i have seen on the websites.
Good work dude.

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Arun Jacob January 2, 2009 at 1:45 pm

Hey Guys,
I just finished the test ride of both( both the show rooms were nearby- Bangalore, near to Forum). I took both of them to the same road (near to the shop – of course). Here is my honest observation.
FZ16:- Keeps me stunned and looking at it for quite a long time. Styling is astonishing.Next I took it out for the ride, around the corners, it gives me a big confidenece( I think as many said earlier, the wide tyres would be the reason). In addition to that I think monocross suspension would also be contributing to this. Next thing I noticed is that even when applying the front disc brakes(a little hard/harsh), bike offers a smooth stop-rather than causing a surprise to you or a sudden jerk of your butt. Next in bad road condition(over torn roads and misplaced rocks) it give a smooth ride(thanks to large surface area of tyres). One bid disappointment was the throttel response, the same road where my old pulsar would have touched 80 very easily, FZ was struggling to reaach even 70. The store guy said he had touched 110 on city roads thouhg.
On road prie: 75000(down payment of 32550).

Apache RTR160FI:-
Honestly I like the orange design of this. but compared to the FZ16, this looks a bit old. When I took the bike out for ride, on the first gear, the bike just tried to jump off- nearly two jumps while about to start to ride. Power feel was much good, exhaust was making the souund you may wish to hear. Crossing the 70 mark was much more easier, but I was very cautious aroudn the turns, I was particuarly cautious bcos I was riding this after the Yamaha and not to lean that much. Even though the back tyre is also fitted with a disc brake, I didn’t felt much diffference. Wel the fron disc when applied a little hardly gave the same uncomfortable jerk and a lean forward motion. Indicators are not self cancelling( I think it was for FZ16). On road:74800(31+ downpayment).

In the end my heart goes with FZ16. After all the handling is more important for me in city rides and I have plans to use bike ony for cogested city traffic. Not a big fan of using those on highways.
Prior riding experience: RX100,Victor, Pulsar, RX135.

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charan January 2, 2009 at 2:30 pm

guys i dont think the comparision between the 2 bike is fair enough…the apache 160 rtr fi is an performance bike…where as fz16 isnt…if u only want looks go for the fz16 if u want outright performance n u cant afford da r15 or p220 apache is definatly the 1 2 go for…

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Rahul Bajpai January 3, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Apache Efi is a performance bike and FZ16 is for urban commuting. I have a black FZ and contrary to what most of the reviews say FZ gives a mileage of 40 when thrashed really hard upto 95 on NH24 Delhi and on normal city riding(50-85) the mileage was 44 and wan it was run on constant 50(+- is what you should assume if you have something up in your head) and for the same riding RTR FI of my friend gave 50 but the experience was bad as i liked the handling and nicely placed mirrors of RTR but the vibrations and shakes don’t give that nice feeling.
@Arun Jacob
You might have got a defective piece because p150 is no match for FZ and the way it reaches 70 is what i encounter every single day leaving all behind except for the ZMA, P220 and R15 the moment the light turns green (no wonder I’m expecting challans for overspeeding by post) and by the way Yamaha’s dealers doesnt offer test rides.

@jerin
self start never gave me any problem in this foggy and chilling delhi winter. Most of the times I dont even need a choke to start my bike.

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sunny January 4, 2009 at 2:40 pm

hi.
i am going to buy a bike.
my daily run is around 25km in city and monthly 60km in highway.
my buget is upto 75,000 rs.
i like style but i have to look at cost of runing(millage).
but i am in a big confusion between yamaha fz-16 and hero honda hunk.
and what about maintanace.
i like fz-16 but i hear about its low millage, so my other option is hero honda hunk.
so which bike you sugest for me between above or you sugest me a bike other than this.
thanks.

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Deepak January 4, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Sunny, since both the bikes are close competitors, do a test drive and decide. If I were you, I would choose FZ16!

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Zag January 5, 2009 at 5:58 pm

@Rahul Bajpai

U are wrong bt the test ride part…just test rode a FZ16 here in Mumbai and booked one that instant (test rode a flaming orange FZ and got convinced to book a black one :P ) Btw the wait time here is 1 month :(

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Vicky January 7, 2009 at 12:56 pm

I think that this is not gud to compare any bike with other bike becoz they are completely different from each other and made for different purpose by the companies .some bike has good look .other has good mikege and road grip .so it is not fair to compare bike

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atul January 8, 2009 at 5:44 pm

i like fz16 very much, but will it compare with hero honda cbz exteme?

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Shuvan January 12, 2009 at 3:01 pm

Hey how abt the acceleration? I was expecting some comparison based on the acceleration as well. Let me know if u have any data to share.

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Balu January 22, 2009 at 5:54 am

Hi guys,

How abt the mileage of both bikes, and will the mileage will give the same after 1 or 2yrs for both bikes. Thanks in advaance and waiting for the reply…..

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Ankit January 23, 2009 at 5:35 pm

i have apache rtr fi its mileage has increase after 1st And 2nd service and the company person has told me that till 5 services
the mileage will increase And after then it will remain same now it has increase to 40 to 50km/ltr so that rockss have u understood

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Yuga January 24, 2009 at 7:32 am

Loads of sensibility and technical details…

Your equivocal approach in seeing the + and – of things from a neutral standpoint shows your balanced state of mind, despite the moto-madness that makes you write and us folks to read. Kudos to your INSANITY-IN-CONTROL!

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hemanth January 26, 2009 at 9:56 am

apache rtr160 fi is no where compared to yam fz better ride apachi first

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Mr.Madras January 28, 2009 at 5:43 am

I too have a Apache Fi, But Fz also good man.. If u need mileage top speed and performance go with Apache Fi. Style and smooth go with Fz.

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Aaron Dutt January 31, 2009 at 7:51 pm

Heya guyz…
Jus went thru the response-thread in here n thotta adding my part too as i got hold of a brand new FZ16 (Java Red)..Jus makin me feel more confident in the alwz busy-jammy cities..No wonder dey named it aptly “Lord of the streets”..Gr8 balanc n power..need 2 say, one helluva auto-engg work man..one @ a singl glanc itslf’ll fall for the cute handle bar n the Dashing rear-tyres..i din cross the 80 speed mark yet, showroom guys tol me 2 tak care til 1st service..so far, its been amazingly powrful..it has got all features in excess 4 one helluva city-ride..
Also i too did a test-ride (saw 1 post here tellin that Yamaha dealers dont allow test-rides :O)..
So guys..Just go for the City Beast..!!!

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jak February 2, 2009 at 3:31 pm

hey frns! u cant compare these two stunning bikes. both r gud at their place. but one who owns an FZ will talk abo it and the other will do the same for RTR. I am also goin to buy a bike on this vellentine. so plz can anyone can suggest me for that? I want to keep this bike atleast for one year. In my officeways both rough n smooth road comes. so plz help me for that……..

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vincee February 4, 2009 at 8:27 am

appachi sucks….. there is no shape in the bike … there is no control …. and on top of that the manufacturer is tvs …. check any tvs bikes which are older that 3 years… you can see the differance in the condition…. its look like a sparepart….

if i need a bike i would go for fz 16 .. as it is yamaha always rocks

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vignesh February 4, 2009 at 2:40 pm

hi i was interested in FZ initially then i made a decent compare between both FZ and FI i found that there s no kick starter in FZ how`d the battery manage in the cold season and any small wire gets dc the electric starter is off i guess no electric device can have a guarantee more than 6 mths and there s no bumpers on the sides once the bike falls laterally the side indicators the fairings in the tanks and the half bike on dat side goes on the ground. i think this s d 1st bike without a side bumper. i think i cant see my new bike with all scratches on sides i am confused????????!!!!!!

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Rahul February 4, 2009 at 10:19 pm

Hi guys,

I own a RTR160 …wch is 3 months old….i accept that i obsereve vibrations once i go beyond 80…but its lightning fast from 0-80..no sounds no vibrations till that. i will be very pleasent to hear the sound from silencer…i see here some ppl saying apache dont have control, i dont accept that coz im very much used to driving cars than bike…this was my first bike and i rarely drive bikes before this one……but once i bought this one …i had full confidence of driving rashly and overtaking everyone on streets….cornering is very easy in apache..i accept that FZ rear tyre is big and gives better control than RTR….i have planned to change my tyre after a service..

For those guys who feel its shame comparing FZ and RTR coz RTR from TVS…for all these guys i want to tell one thing…TVS is an indian company and be proud to own a indian product …i agree yamaha is much experienced and better company but dont degrade indian products coz in this globalised everywhere and everything is competetive….so its only the matter of big investments and right ideas implied in it….so the days are not far where you can see TVS producing much better products than Yamaha

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Geno November 20, 2010 at 4:39 pm

Hello Rahul…. I agree…. I own an RTR just 3 weeks old. But I love this bike. Handling is cheese even with the stock tyres (not sure if TVS changed the tyres in the hyper edge version). I own an Rx 100 too. But this indian product can compete and race past any international brand

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Mr.Madras February 5, 2009 at 8:50 am

Absolutely Rahul,

They are talking about the brand. We are comparing the product.
As a bike what should be there?

1. Mileage
2. Performance
3. And Top speed

Fi can beet Fz all this aspect. Then what else you want?

For vincee

Hello sir…. I want to ask one question.
Can’t u see any OLD
1. TVS Victor
2. TVS Scooty
3. TVS fiero
4. TVS Max 100R
5. TVS 50 and Champ?

One more think still my friend has a TVS Fiero 125cc (Not Suzuki Fiero) that will beet your FZ in City. Are you ready? Where shall we meet buddy? First beet that then I will come with my RTR Fi.. 

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Rahul February 5, 2009 at 5:38 pm

lol…….you are very much right MR.Madras…I want to ask you ppl why the Yamaha wch is uncomparable with TVS doesn`t succeed for long time after they stopped RX100…..i dont see any of their bike after RX100 succeed in indian market…if yamaha is a big company they should have competed with victor,fiero,max100R,samurai,scooty…but i hardly see yamaha product wch has succeeded these bikes…

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Mr.Madras February 6, 2009 at 10:26 am

Fine Rahul

YAMAHA is a legend there is no doubt. I don’t like to compare RX100 with any other bile, not even karizma or P220.

But after RX100 Our Indian customer looking to the mileage (4 stroke). So slowly HERO HONDA splendor dominates the market that we know. Yamaha try to make that specification (Mileage) but they can’t beet splendor.

In 2002 Bajaj did a very big revolution. “The PULSAR” (Many of them told PULSAR is copied from here & there) What ever it is PULSAR proved that our Indian bike has a capable to sand in the world class.

Secret of PULSAR
1. Performance
2. Mileage
3. Look and style.
4. Not a very big and very small Bike.
5. Price.

In this specification YAMAHA try to get a market again. But YAMAHA got a lot of struggle to over come that. Of course they done it but the Legend YAMAHA also take 6 years to overcome this segment.

R15 and Fz16

Just I gave a simple momentary look of YAMAHA. After 15 years they stamped once again in INDIAN market. So R15 and FZ16 is a cool bike. I am also a one of the greatest fan for YAMAHA but bcos of that I won’t agree FZ16 will beet RTR Fi. Reason is the purpose of this two bike is different :-) I like FZ too

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Aaron Dutt February 6, 2009 at 11:13 am

Come on..Yamaha is a world class Brand..They rlly kip up the standrds..no doubts in that..also, this does’nt mean dat TVS sucks!! :O :D:D:D :P
but gyz, avoid byk-names tha r mnt for mammus n dadduus..!! :D :P:P
Cmpar oly dynamic names ppl..

Well buddis…i jus cam bak aftr givin my FZ for its 1st servic..went as soon as i rechd its the 1st K..so far..Ruling the streets here ;) espclly @ d trffc signal..Damn Torq master FZ is..
Also..got my hands on a frnds’ RTR Fi yestdy eve..
It has gt the powr too..but FZ’s handling s bettr, so is the braking..FZ hs gt the best n smooth brakin s/m..on RTR, once u rech the 80-85s, u’ll get the vibrtns thru out..but stil, its a damn good top-speed byk..hs gt sm kewl looks too..also odr frnds wit RTR told me that engine sound hs strtd changin witin 1 mnth f use..mile-age, i tink its comprtvly more dan FZ..i ws on 44kmpl b4 givin 4 my 1st servic..lets c wot hapns aftr..waitin 2 burn d roads as soon as i get my monster back..need 2 update the top-speed figures :P
frankly spkin..its mor than worth the price wich s highr than odr counter-parts in the 150s..!!

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bang bangalore February 9, 2009 at 2:16 pm

all u yamaha freaks just open ur ears wide nd listen…..ur so called lord of the streets is just like a small kid in front of the pulsars nd apaches….i got both a pulsar nd a apache….i also used a my cousins fz16 for 20 days on similar conditions that i use my other bikes but fz16 lags everything needed in a bike which is called lord of the streets…..having a test ride for even 5kms wil not give u exactly wat u wanna know abt the bike….nd this the only reason i tested my cousin’s bike for 20 days nd gave him my apache to ride…..fz16 has got only looks nd NOTHING except it….it bleady runs out of speed just at around 105-108 thats it…the fz16 starts literally suffocating to reach 80…while pulsar nd apache both touch that 65-67 mark in 2nd gear itself…think they got 3 gears still in the house…both pulsar nd apache hav touched 115-even 119kmph….apache vibates a bit on high speeds though….but ther is nothing called less control or anything wrong with the rear tyre of apache…it was only a small issue in regular apache but the extended long wheelbase of RTR has corrected the mistake…..now if ther is someone complaining then u better learn riding a bike then comment on it….nd as far as handling even a just born kid wil know that a flat 140/60 tyre in rear wil give more confidence while ridin……fz16 has a mere mileage of just 30-35 in bangalore city nd it even struggles for that at times…..i think i relly dont need to mention mileage of pulsar nd apache coz they r far more economical….i had got my pulsar tuned for drags…it had a top speed of 163-165kmph,it could wheelie in even 3rd gear,it sounded like hell on roads nd still gave me a mileage of 30kmpl…wat else u thinkin of …..gettin fz16 tuned is a later thing…all its fibre-plastic parts wil blow away on 165 speed…..u ll find urself sittin on bare seat with just a handle bar in ur hands to hold on to…..not only this the added wonders on fz16 are very cheap resale value,expensive spare parts,non availability of spare parts,waiting period on the bike,unreliable service network,no long lasting performance promises,above all-ur knees r at a high risk coz it doesnt hav a crash guard….u hav a fall nd the whole body parts r in pieces or wil hav scratches which wil last til u change that body part itself….everybody over here is gettin fascinated to its looks…well honestly even i like its looks but i m very disappointed from its engine nd performance…i wish it had the r15 engine…that could hav surprisingly made me the first one to buy it but as of now its just a worthless machine….
if u still dont get me then above written is my email id nd here is my invitation…..anywhere anytime….may be a pulsar or a apache get down on the street punks…..wel let u know wat lord of the street really means…..

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Geno November 20, 2010 at 4:45 pm

“u ll find urself sittin on bare seat with just a handle bar in ur hands to hold on to” Rofl thatz true……… But on an RTR you feel like in a cockpit

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Abhay February 10, 2009 at 8:26 am

Hello everyone,

i found everyone fighting on yamaha nd tvs.
but the question still remains there.
i got a bike of TVS (Victor) which is 8 yrs old bike now i have replaced my block piston for performance.
its true that TVS bikes performance gets degraded after 5-6 yrs as its my personal experience. Now that bike has worned out completely.
& even being the di-hard fan of Yamaha, i still confused to select FZ16 or Apache RTR160-RD.
although Yamaha FZ16 a smooth bike & good city bike still its lacking due to some other points like:
1) Fully digital speedo & tacho.
2) Fully depend on battery to start the engine as no kick start available – considering the indian climatic conditions & mentality it makes the buyers low down.
Often the battery goes off (stolen) from bikes is a very normal case in india, and in such condition we have to ask some one to push my new brand bike to start
3) It seems that the bike is only made for a single person as the rear seat is too small which is uncomfortable
THE ONLY NAME IS YAMAHA ON WHICH A BUYER CAN BUY THE BIKE & NOTHING ELSE…
Yes the pulling capacity of the bike is good as compared to Apache RTR160 RD.
Yet it cannot beat Apache RTR160 RD on Highways in city may be possible.
Looking at the Pricing, Personal experience and features i will suggest to go for Apache RTR160 RD.

*If i am wrong & would like to give any further information to me or other buyers please suggest below.
Or else you can also write at visitabhay@yahoo.co.in

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Mr.Madras February 11, 2009 at 6:44 am

Hi Bang Bangalore

How did u touch the speed of 165Kmph with your pulsar? Is this Pulsar 220cc? What modified u done in that pulsar? I need that such a performance. I can hit only 141Kmph (in my friend Pulsar 220). Is there any chance for apache rtr fi? I have a Fi.

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vivek james February 12, 2009 at 11:59 am

hi guys,
one of the tvs chief mechanics told me that the Apache rtr efi can reach the top speed of 160kmph. this is the way speed they test the bike in the factory race track. but he himself does not have idea how to reach that speed on our roads!

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biru pune February 18, 2009 at 10:21 am

Hi guys,
sum1 said dat FZ can even reach upto 105kmph….frnd i reached 112kmph n still roaring to go up (after 1st service) on bombay pune highway 2 days ago.. n der was no shake or vibe. n it is givin 40 kmpl in normal condition. just have sum1 bike n ride for 2-3 days at different speed. u will know d difference.

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pankaj February 24, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Hi all,

I have driven fz and rtr fi as everybody knows, fz looks are great and is very smooth you would not hear the engine sound if the vehicle passes by,
rtr fi is amazing looks doesnt match fz however the pickup is great and mileage is better than fz yamaha spare parts are expensive and if your girl friiend is wearing a saree she cant sit on your bike coz back seater has to sit with legs on either side,,,,ahahahahaha…………rtr fi is a family bike fi engine gives better mileage and looks great with the back disc breakes and handling is good,,,,power + mileage + performance + value for money = rtr fi,,,,,,fz looks great,,, engine is reliable is a good byke for guy s who are ready to shell money ,,,,but if you are from teh economy class go for rtr fi……also engine sound on rtr ( normal ) is bad when i test drove it i felt i was driving a vehicle with no engine oil,,,, engine sound on rtr fi is less comparted to normal rtr and is high when compared to fz ,, i would say engine sound from rtr fi is more than normal,,,,,,,,,nothing much,,,i am looking to buy a 150cc byke from past 3 months,,, am not going for pulsar, cbz extreme was my choise then shifted to unicorn ( looks are sad ) am now reading a lot of reviews on rtr fi ,,, i believe i would settle with it coz its a future byke with fuel ingection and rare disc breaks,, few years down the lane all byke will be of fuel ingection and disc brakes would be a priority,,, think about it,.,……..

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venu February 24, 2009 at 1:01 pm

Hi frndz,

I plan to take Apache, but my friends told me to take FZ…
Now i’m in confusion…

I want to consider The Price, Milage, and performance….

Plz give these details….
then it would be very helpful to choose….

Plz Plz…. Reply…

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matheen February 24, 2009 at 1:15 pm

hi buddy first u compare ur fz with tvs flame as it is given in the magazines that fz has a top speed of about 101 only so pleas dont compare it with a male bike apache rtr

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Mr.Madras February 27, 2009 at 9:38 am

Hey matheen,
When I red your scrap I burst out man. But the top speed is 112 (True speed) in speedometer it will show around 124 something. FZ also cool bike we can compare with RTR Fi… That’s YAMAHA ya….

For venu,

Hi… u talk about the Price, Milage, and performance… Then u can buy RTR Refresh
If you ready to spend more than Rs 8000 then go with RTR FI.

FZ is not a performance bike.. The purpose is city commuter so 0 to 80 kmph it will good after that it will bite dust. Then milage is around 40. But no vibration, good built quality and stylish one. We can spend Rs.73,000/-

My RTR fi hits 0 to 60 in 4.2 sec and milage is 52.. Can FZ touch my bike?
I am ready to meet FZ anywhere anytime in Chennai.

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Laurence February 27, 2009 at 11:51 pm

nice stuff thanks :)

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Colby Britt February 28, 2009 at 12:19 am

Thanks for the Honda post. Keep working!

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venu March 1, 2009 at 2:19 am

Mr.Madras.,,,

Thank u very much for your Information…..

And I reed in one web site that RTR Refresh is not available in black colour and i need rear disc break also… I need these both…. Is it Possible?… plz tell me….

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Mr.Madras March 2, 2009 at 5:54 am

Hi Venu,

So u decide to go with Refresh… good…
Where r u from? Go and ask your local dealer (Better to sak GOODWILL)

In Chennai black color is available I think so..

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Prabu March 2, 2009 at 2:12 pm

good ending people… i like the second half more…. wanna specify Mr. Madras here…. My Country, My TVS, My Apache……..

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pradi March 4, 2009 at 3:47 am

hey who ever is plannin to buy pls don buy fz don buy pls pls ma humble request to u all. don buy a bike jus for its looks and tyres which seem to be more attractive but not the worth. yamaha might be the leading producers around the globe but not in india . in india hero honda bajaj and tvs are the rulers. but in this case definitely it is the tvs which u should buy. if u want a bike jus for its looks tyres etc yamaha is the one for you . but if u want to buy a bike with good fuel efficency , long life,looks , good service,re sale value,good strength etc APACHE RTR FI IS THE BIKE FOR YOU. ALL I WANNA SAY IS DON JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER

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arjun March 4, 2009 at 9:39 am

i have a tvs apache fi .i pick it at 127kmph in just 1.8 km distance.i can pick up it at 140-145 kmph top speed .i m from punjab i love speed

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javed March 4, 2009 at 3:45 pm

Hi all,

As a mech engineer and a keen interest in bikes from the childhood.
I purchased my first bike(wid my money) names APACHE RTR 160 FI. I worked a lot for finding that which bike is gud in the market comparing to price
tech specs and of course looks, after a long study of blogs i made a mood to buy the same. b4 1 servicing i hold myself to only 35-45 kmph. at that crutial time no one can judge the performance of the machine. but after first servicing i found it a real matcho on the track.from that day i think nobody(95%) ever dare to overtake me. ya itz true man…my roommate bought YAMAHA FZ on the same day… now we both are at same position that means first serviced.. now the real performance story begins from here>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

we both are almost same type of rider…

1. I crossed him in initial pickup (4.4 secs) unbelievable.
2. I ctossed him in mil. 56 kmpl on 42 kmpl(huge gap)
3. he crossed me on looks(not more)
4. I crossed him on streamlining and dragging
5. I crossed him in instant break handling but due to his wider tyres he crossed me in sharp turns(dosn’t matter)

there are so many things still to try….picture abhi baaki hai dost..

FZ is all fibre with no leg gaurds(xtremly risky)

ya but if u r goin to own FI over FZ u sud b very careful about the petrol tank hunger( min 3 ltrs)

and at last but not least nobody is perfect doston…na hi FI aur na hi FZ…. but comparisionwise u can feel the thrust and performance.. ab ye bolne ki zaroorat nahi kisne kisko haraya

wait for some more xitement……

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pravin March 5, 2009 at 11:35 pm

Hi friends,

I own apache-fi for the past 5 months and I have done around 5000 km on my bike. I would like to share both the pros and cons of my fi.

pros:
1. Great pickup ( I have done 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec) ( I think I am a good rider especially at high speeds. I have beaten Karizma, 200 pulsar, cbz extrene and also 150 pulsar, however I think that pulsar 200 can catch me above 100km/hr
2. nice suspensions. The bike gives a very smooth ride however I hear some say in professional reviews that apache has hard suspensions, but I feel that apache-fi gives one of the smoothest ride among indian bikes.
3. good top speed ( I have reached 120 in very short stretch)
4. good mileage for a performance bike (initially I received 40 km/lit and now it has come up to 50)
5.good handling. The bike feels lite and manoeuvering it is a delight, and due to its compact design even city riding is nice.
6.Looks are not bad either, how ever my grey apache is very hard to differentiate from the normal apache.

Cons:
1. poor tires. ( tvs tires sucks. Dont even think of breaking in roads with sand or wet roads) It would have been great with MRF tubeless tires.
2. There are some minor issues like Loss of power at around 3000 rpm and engine missfiring sometimes when you close the torhttle.
3. Even though the pickup is great, It lacks power since apache has a short stroke engine, which can produce great pickup, but less power(15.7 bhp, but just 13.1 nm of torque), so dont even think of racing even a 180 pulsar with a pillion in the back, because I have tested it. Even during windy days I could feel the drop in power( once on a windy day, my apache-fi struggled to go beyond 103kmph even in singles). it struggles even to reach 100 in doubles even when the wind speed is low. However My apache can reach 120 very fast in singles and I have even beaten karizma and 200 pulsar in singles.
4. Rear disk breaks does no good. It is just a worthless addon, so people who are planning to go for non fi- apache donot choose rear disk breaks.
5. The Engine produces loud tappet noise, which mighe make you feel that the engine is nearing the end of its life.
6. The engine and the gear box are not very smooth. The engine starts to vibrate massively(resonate) beyond 5000 rpm.

My conclusion :

I personally believe that there is no bike in the 75k price range that gives better bakg for the buck(value for money) than the apache-fi. However, If you want more pulling power and are ready to sacrifice mileage for power and size, then you can go for pulsar 200, which is also one of the best perfomance bike in india. However, If you just want Style and smoothness then you can choose FZ16.

In my personal openion, fx16 lacks the engine capacity to pull a tire as wide as this(rear:140/60/17 and front:100/60/17). These tries are meant only for style. Practically speaking, you don’t need these tires for fz16, since it donot have high top speede like r15 or p220 or p200 or apache-fi. The true purpose of wide rear tire is to provide better traction and avoid wheel spin and loss of grip,when you open the throttle after finishing a highspeed curve.

So My advice to all those who are planning to get a new 75k bike is- “Go For Apache-fi or Pulsar 200″.

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Dutt March 6, 2009 at 7:42 am

Yamaha Yamaha Yamaha….!!!!

YZF R-15 wins the Indian Bike of the year award 2009..with FZ-16 finishing 2nd under the within 160cc bikes..

See what experts n proffssnls judged….
check out thes links:
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/honda-city-yamaha-r15-bag-awards/00/54/349399/

http://www.indiamotorsports.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=188:indian-car-and-motorcycle-of-the-year-2009&catid=51:extraaas&Itemid=84

http://www.indiaprwire.com/pressrelease/television/2009022320237.htm

Bike Of The Year:-
The bike that sat in the shadow of its sibling, now takes revenge. The FZ16 was lost in the shadow of the Yamaha YZF R15 at the Auto Expo. But, things have been more than squared. The smooth, hunky Yamaha FZ16 has raked in the Viewers Choice Award and the prestigious Bike Of The Year. Well done Yamaha! [Comment from autocarindia]

http://www.autocarindia.com/new/Information.asp?id=2290

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javed March 7, 2009 at 11:46 am

he he he mr yamaha

dont ever compete with apache as my frnd praveen said that there r so many demerits with ur FZ 16
like no pulling power of that huge tyres
all fibre body even petrol tank covering
no leg gaurds (very risky) dont u love urself n ur bike
power to mileage ratio (hahaha far away from fi)
handle bar style n position
dashing rear look but boring front look

and many more

come n compete with my FI

and finally

YAMAHA brand is good but FZ is not like YAMAHA
and vice versa for TVS and APACHE FI

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Subhrajyoti March 8, 2009 at 10:53 am

Guys… Thanks all for ur Valuable comments…Looking forward to buy the FZ 16…

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Mr.Madras March 10, 2009 at 8:27 am

Hai Subhrajyoti..
Going to buy a FZ… good wt color u decided? FZ 16 or FZ-S?

Hey FZ buddies Say your bike best features and your experience and all the positive points. We r already tolled lot about our RTR Fi. Your comment will give more confident to decide the bike.

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Fz man March 12, 2009 at 7:27 pm

Hey guys..
I got my beast on oct15..dat means i ws 1 of the first 1 to lay hands on it..5 months hv passd by but till now it hs not lost its novelty..my frnd hs a rtr fi..foolish guy..he feels regretin since noone notices him on dat puny bike..ha ha..nd for performance part ..rtr is gud..but in city handling matters nd dats where my fz scores..my frnd has never overtaked me in city since he cant hv confidence on apache..dats my part..waitin 4 u ppl response

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pravin March 13, 2009 at 7:56 am

May be your friend, who has an apache-fi is not a skillful rider. Sofar, nobody have ever overtaken me in a street or highway battle when I am riding my apache-fi. If you say that fz bas better breaking, then I will accept it, but I will not accept if you say that apache is bad for city, cos, menuavouring it in traffic is a piece of cake since it feels so lite. Nno fz16 can over take any apache. Forget apache-fi, Fz16 can’t even beat a normal apache RTR either in city or highway. The only areas where FZ tops over apache-fi is in style and breaking, but apache doesn’t look bad either, and if not for the TVS tires, then apache’s breaking would be great too.

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pravin March 13, 2009 at 8:03 am

Like i already mentioned before, I have overtaken Pulsar200, Karizma, CBZ extreme, pulsar150. However, I do accept that I cannot beat a 220 pulsar or R15.
Unlike FZ16 owners, Apache owners dont need to depend on their bikes to attract girls.

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pravin March 13, 2009 at 8:09 am

ofcourse FZ16 would need all that look and apache doesn’t, because people can look at your bike only if you crawl, but since apache usually rips through the road, You wont have time to look at our apaches. Yes, look do matter, but what matters the most on a 75k plus premium class bike is performance, and if you could get performance with mileage, then its the best bang for the buck.

Who cared how michael jackson looked (black or white), but what took him to the peak was his performance, and not look, but he risked everything for look and now he had lost everything.

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Kaps March 13, 2009 at 11:20 am

Hi Guys ,

Have read the whole blog.
Have tasted both bikes.
Both are Great Bikes.
Depends what u like

Looks
Both are Gr8 , the wider tyre gives an edge to Fz16. Again if you like that look go for it.

Pick:

Will agree that FZ16 leads here in 0-55km/hr range, its slow after that (thats what it is targetted at)
However Apache has phenomenal pick even after 60.. and i find teh Rev really gud (the way it reaches 80 to 100), but then

Ask yourself , how many times will you be crossing 60 in city.

FZ16 id for people who like doing Villis. yahama suspecsion is tuned for this job (both rear tyre & front shocks help)

So if you like zipping around the city and prefer looks and always wanted that wide rear tyre ,,,FZ16 is teh Bike for you.

Else we you prefer driving fast ..drag races Go for Apache

Thanks
Kaps

Verdict still remains

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Kushagra March 13, 2009 at 7:03 pm

Well after reading all the comments i have understood one thing that FZ16 is just looks and handling for new bike riders And apache is more of a performance bike. After reading all the comments my conclusion is i will go for APACHE RTR FI. As it is better than FZ16 in every aspects except looks and tires.

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Mr.Madras March 14, 2009 at 5:31 am

Nice explanation buddy,

The torque is made a lord of the street… It won’t ask u to reduce the gear when your speed goes low. Even in the top gear your bike goes bellow 25kmph No need to down the gear the torque will play and pull the bike. That’s y everyone is telling FZ is good for city.. not for 0-55 Performance…

But Apache can hit 0-60 with in 4.6 sec without any effort. If u r really good then you can hit 3.9 sec… One of my friend did that… Can FZ do this? Fz is too good for city ride

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pravin March 14, 2009 at 11:58 pm

Hello Mr. Madras,

You are absolutely right.
I have done 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec in my apache-fi.

Just like you said, more torque doesn’t mean that more pickup at low speeds, but the vehicle can pull easily even at low speeds in high gear. But in apache, you need to be on the right gear and keep the engine revolution high, and if you do that right, the pickup will be electrifying.
One thing that I like the most about apache-fi is that, even though it is a fast machine, you dont have to sacrifice on your mileage. However, there few issues like bad tires, engine vibration, drop in pickup with a pillion. But there are a lot of good things about apache-fi, so I strongly recommend to go for apache-fi than fz16.

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bang bangalore March 16, 2009 at 4:20 pm

hi vivek james….
dude mine is a 180 pulsar….200s nd 220s r even more meaner…..to reach 165Kmph u need to go through a lot of barriers called stock….its very simple to get 165 on a 200 pulsar coz its power is already respectable….i ll tel u wat i did to my 180
get the carb jetted,an open high performance booster,sprokketing nd suitable re-bore,if jets stil fail then u may hav go for a bigge carb itself,may be tat of a 200 pulsar,get a k&N open air filter,fit it in open nd get rid of ur airbox,get a imported head,daytona acceleration kit,nd i guess tat wud be sufficient…..if u r stil hungry then u need to go for weight reduction kits after this,,,which cud end up in changing ur piston,connecting rod nd cam shafts…..
ya sure buddy it can be done on a apache but the fi is a bit complicated for our mechanics….try fit a carb first nd then get it jetted,,,fit a booster…..u ll see the diff wit these basic mods itself…the rest is ur wish how deep ur pocket is nd how deep u wanna dive……… for ur interest i ll tel u sumthing realy amazing….i modified my cousins karizma nd it touches 215-220……wat say buddy…..

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jak March 17, 2009 at 3:36 pm

mr bangalore(mech engg)

U R using a modified bike not a pulsar or karizma..mind it

and do you know what is 220 kilometerperhour… hahaha..abe phat jayegi…… teri nahi bike ki body samjha….

and frns plz talk about the original not modified

I HAVE A FUEL INJECTOR(real macho)

DO U???????????

best performer

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pravin March 17, 2009 at 4:02 pm

I never knew that indian bikes could cross 200k/hr. anyway, thanks for the piece of information.

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........ March 17, 2009 at 7:46 pm

@ author for bang bangalore…

aise chutiyon ke posts allow kyun ho rahe hain??
controversy is good but ye to sach mein chutiyapa hai…

@bang bangalore
dude do u have any idea wat 165kmph on pulsar 180 means??225kmph on Karizma?? it took 8 years for engineers at Suzuki to go past 300+ and then also it wasn’t the power alone that made it possible the body made of alloys of light weight metals like titanium and a pivotal role was played by aerodynamics. and do you think that using those technical terms you can fool others. Making a transition from 100kmph to 150kmph surely can be attined by a carb jetted but 225 with carb jetted and the booster and a K&N open air filter??kick the ass of the mechanic who says so.
Grow up buddy and stop telling lies coz in a way you are making fun of yourself

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jak March 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm

sahi bola yaar::::::: isne kuch zyaada hi chutiyapa chod diya

nways dont ever go for that
dikhawe pe na jao apni akal lagao::::::::;
225 kmph bolta hai G****

living in bangalore is not a big job searchin a job in bangalore is big and after that staying there is big
not that shitty mechanics advices to this forum

understood Mr. Bangalore

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sid March 19, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Cute handle bar .. LOL

FZ got the worst handle bar I have see. Best handle bar for me would be P220′s/R15′s/RTRFI’s. Try comparing those with FZ’s :D

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pankaj March 20, 2009 at 12:59 pm

hi all,,,,,
at last i purchased rtr fi for 74500rs approx,,dealer wanted to charge an extra 100rs for yellow color,i bought it for full cash so he didnt charge me extra and also got it teflon coated for 470 rs for free,,,,,

here is wat the byke exactly is,,,

it has amazing pickup,,,i havent driven the byke for more than 45kmph untill now,, am waiting to finish 2000kms,,,however i tried to speed once and the responce form the byke was great,,awesome control,,byke does excatly wat u want it to do and great handling and breakes,,,i have seen black and prange version of rtrfi,,,ornage is eye catching so is yellow,, both have confirmed a mileage of 50 kmph,,,i havent checked the mileage yet i will do so after my first service,,,,
engine does get heated a lot and tats common for rtrfi’s( will reduce after 1st service), back disc break squeaks however doesnt reduce the speed of the vehicle,,,,,,i dont see any issues with fuel injection,,,mileage i believe on my byke is 55kmpl,,but need to check,,,,,,,,,,
this byke can beat pulsar 150 and fz with ease,,,and i have been driving fi under 40 on top gear with out any issues,,,,u need to get used to the bye to ride it better,,,,

watever people,, i donno y i feel victor is the best byke than pulsar,fz or fi,,,,victor is so smooth and very gud for city riding and is very light……but if u are luking for a good byke with power,,,fi should be ur choice

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pankaj March 20, 2009 at 1:02 pm

at last i purchased rtr fi for 74500rs approx,,dealer wanted to charge an extra 1000rs for yellow color,i bought it for full cash so he didnt charge me extra and also got it teflon coated for 470 rs for free,,,,,

here is wat the byke exactly is,,,

it has amazing pickup,,,i havent driven the byke for more than 45kmph untill now,, am waiting to finish 2000kms,,,however i tried to speed once and the responce from the byke was great,,awesome control,,byke does excatly wat u want it to do and great handling and breakes,,,i have seen black and orange version of rtrfi,,,orange is eye catching so is yellow,, the owners of the black and orange rtrfi have confirmed a mileage of 50 kmph,,,i havent checked the mileage yet i will do so after my first service,,,,
engine does get heated a lot and tats common for rtrfi’s( will reduce after 1st service), back disc break squeaks however doesnt reduce the speed of the vehicle,,,,,,i dont see any issues with fuel injection,,,mileage i believe on my byke is 55kmpl,,but need to check,,,,,,,,,,
this byke can beat pulsar 150 and fz with ease,,,and i have been driving fi under 40 on top gear with out any issues,,,,u need to get used to the bye to ride it better,,,,

watever people,, i donno y i feel victor is the best byke than pulsar,fz or fi,,,,victor is so smooth and very gud for city riding and is very light……but if u are luking for a good byke with power,,,fi should be ur choice

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SATISH KUMAR March 21, 2009 at 8:54 am

Hello FZ lovers, pulsar and apache lovers get ready for all the s**t that you guys deserve who write or talk bad about FZ16.

East or West YAMAHA FZ16 is the best!!!!, rest are waste except R15 he he ha ha…

All pulsar and apache are only good for breathing stomach gas of FZ16.

FZ rocks as every part of FZ is much advanced than any 150cc indian bikes – tyres, wheels, large disk brake, thick mono shock absorber at back, front shockers are outstanding, all digital panel.. what else do you need with all this and all new muscular look.

I am a proud owned of FZ 16 and feeling bad, as I could have got FZ S if I would have waited for couple of weeks.

Happy Riding
– Satish

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jak March 23, 2009 at 10:33 am

Ok Mr. satish kumar sorry yamaha FZ kumaar

we r ready to breath the stomach gas of ur GREAT FZ hahahaha…(pregnant bike)

mas u r driving a machine an engine(totally shit of apache)
not a sofa set ok mind it….and if you u want to check ur bikes heart then come for race with (Racing Throttle Response)..
Definately my FI will cum on your pregnant FZ hahaha

and if u will go for tech specs FZ wide tyres is only for show not for racing on rubber….
warriors are meant to get hurt after fall and if this will happen to ur GREAT FZ na ……nothing will left with ur pregnant warrior called FZ…..
not even that petroltank and fibre silencer(all show off)

there sud be some solid part to become a male(samajh gaye bacchhu)

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pankaj March 23, 2009 at 12:45 pm

awesome dude,,,way to go,,,fz is only for show,,,,,,,if you wanna boost of the best byke for city riding u can then too the mileage is just 30-40 kms perliter,,,which sucks,,,,,ur byke sucks,,,look at the silencer,,,its more like the asss been fucked manytimes and the ass is worn out with a wide base…………

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Mr.Madras March 23, 2009 at 3:11 pm

TVS vs YAMAHA How we can compare this two Brand? No way…. But TVS Apache RTR Fi has a potential to beat YAMAHA FZ 16

From Sathis kumar
“”what else do you need with all this and all new muscular look””.

Can u pls interpret this…

1.FZ 100% Digital speedometer can’t store the top speed But RTR Can
2.FZ 100% Digital speedometer can’t capture the 0-60 timing but RTR Refresh and Fi can
3.RTR Fi has a rear disk break. Wt about FZ?
4.RTR Fi is using next generation technology ‘Fuel injection’ FZ has a last generation technology ya

5.Can FZ beat 0-60 performance? …. Nooooooooooooo :-(
6.Can FZ beat top speed of RTR Fi? …. Nooooooooooooo :-(
7.Ok fine Can FZ beat Milage……? No no no… :-((

I need this think Now tell me what your FZ has?….
tyre and tank…?
haaa haaa haa :-D

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KK March 30, 2009 at 11:24 am

I drove this bike yesterday..Was flattered by the intitial pickup, but everything else look faultered..The bike has continous vibrations that are very heavy on the hands, definitely driving is not a pleasure in this bike..i have been driving my pulsar for many years now, only after driving this bike i realised how much worth my bike is.. even the design of this bike is odd and looks harsh on the eyes.. im above 6ft,and cudnt find a suitable driving position..the bike loses it’s thrust once it reaches 60kmp, it vibrates and doesn’t responds to the acceleration…maneuvarability was difficult,i don’t know why..Gears are very very hard, and without wearing shoes you could definitely hurt your feet..
This is the first TVS product which i have ever driven, it left me wondering how products like this keep coming to the market depsite such competition..TVS has a very very long way to go..

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Shri March 30, 2009 at 3:18 pm

Hi Folks,
I own an rtr -efi and its potential has really amazed me as i also drive my FZ and 2 lovely RE bulltets. FZ has a stronger suspension system which contributes to better handling but trust me a wider rear tyre does not mean it will handle better than other coz handling and traction also depends on centre of mass asnd gravity for the bike.
Yamaha has done extremely well with design but bike feels skinny except for the huge fuel tank
RTR makes up for the suspension with a better handle bar (clip ons u see) and a sporty riding position inspiring confidence to dip that extra angle and when i had a race with by frnds bw these 2 bikes rtr took the lead on corners due to better power to weight ratio , braking prowess and instant acceleration
In terms of engine refinement its ver early to comment anything as both have to prove their mettle for atleast a year on the tough indian tarmac and riding conditions

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pankaj March 30, 2009 at 4:44 pm

hi all,, i am pleased with my byke,, yes it vibrates when above 70 ,,, this is not a good news for rtr fi owners,,,,,,i am trying to check the mileage on the rtr fi byke,,,any idea how to check the mileage,, i believe my byke gives 55 kmpl ,,, am not sure,,can any body guide me on that

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jak March 30, 2009 at 9:45 pm

@pankaj
itz veri ez to chk mileage
of our RTR FI
just wait for that yellow indicator below that engine idling indacator(red one) to glow
then fill 1 ltr petrol and wait that yellow indicator to glow again but before that set one of the tripmeter to 0.00…

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prince March 31, 2009 at 8:06 pm

dude if i change the rear tyre ..
what abt the handling in apache rtr 160 refresh???

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Shri April 1, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Hey prince i suppose u already have a decent handling on ur bike right, i mean apache is known for its handling on the streets

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Anand April 4, 2009 at 5:58 pm

Hello Deepak…. What if the Apache’s Rear Tyre is changed to a wider one after purchase? Will it improve control and handling a little on the curves? Is it possible to do so? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in advance….

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Anand.R April 5, 2009 at 10:32 am

Hi.frnds im new 2 this forum..but after all the reviews im bit clear abt my purchase .still i need 2 ask u experts bfore i buy.
i am 5’8 and weight 58 and im a colg student ,im planing for apache rtr 160 or pulsar 150cc or yamaha fz16
i would travel 50km per day ,lilte highway also.
My major factors are

budget upto 65k(+-5k)
mileage arnd 50
low bike weight
sporty style
gud performance,control.
after sales service

Hope u guide me better ,i would be buying in a month or 2.

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jak April 6, 2009 at 11:30 am

@ Anand

these three bikes are far diffrnt 4m each other.
my roommates have all three of above

PULSAR: gud bike on indian roads::::but common(not an eye catcher):::mileage almost same to apache but littlebit greater than FZ:::::cost effective but looks wise lags behind both apache and FZ

FZ: lookswise awesome but performancewise lagged with apache and pulsar both::::not cost effective:::: mileage is lowest among all three:::not gud for safety purpose(no leg gaurds,,,no kick,,,allfibre body)::::all digital console is awesome but not gud as apache(performance recorder)

APACHE RTR:Looks wise better than pulsar but gives a challenge to FZ::::mileage is almost similar to pulsar but most powerful machine than all three::::handling is better that pulsar but FZ gives a challenge:::cost effective:::go for without rear disc but with hood:::Digital console is awesome..

now u can decide which one is best for you

AND yes 4get the brand trust the performance and services

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Akshay April 8, 2009 at 11:31 pm

I think FZ 16 is exceptional in looks, than any other bike in its category

Rear disk in Apache is a real good addition BUT BUT BUT

Wide tyres – FZ is unique
Mass centralizition for better handling – FZ is exceptional
Strong front suspension – Much thicker in FZ
Rear suspension – Mono shock – extremely thick
Suspension travel is much deeeeeeper in FZ
Front disk with 2 piston caliper
Bigger disk compared to any other 150cc bike, apache has matching size
Silencer – Looks unique on FZ, Some fiber used as heat shield which is a great thought by YAMAHA

From back view FZ looks much filled-in without two shockers, you feel that when you look at “Honda Unicorn”

Forget about 0-60 and time taken to reach 100 kmph reading as we are not going to use that every day… its occational

Forget about plastic parts – I think people don’t have knowledge that side panels of almost all bikes are made up of Fiber no a days, even its applicable for Apache, Tank scoops as well are made up of fiber in Apache for that matter HH Hunk and FZ also has Fiber no exception and its good thing to reduce weight.

Only exception in FZ is that the tank is hidden between fiber panels and it gives the bike an aggerssive look. Please note that tank in all bikes are made up of steel and thats aplicable for FZ as well!!!!!!!!!!, This is something first time in INDIA, enjoy it guys Y complain like a novice….

Please make your choice as per your need
If you want something that works for you every minute go for FZ 16
If you want some thing that you will occationally go for Apache RTR

Choice is yours…

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Akshay April 8, 2009 at 11:40 pm

Also note that FZ 16 is the only bike with tubeless tyres in 150 cc category, except R15 and only bike to sport radial tyre!!!!

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Bhushan April 9, 2009 at 3:46 am

1st This Camaparision is bull shit…b coz….

apache has Fi..160 cc..15.7 Bhp
&
Yamaha FZ 16..has Corborater…148 cc 13.2 Bhp

ok

Apache campare with FZ 15..its okk..both have Fi
but FZ 15 has 148.9 cc 17.8 Bhp
and rest all same…and FZ15 has oil collent Engine also..

so dont comare any bikes ..with each other..this all bull shit..

Dekhavapa mate jayo apane akale lagave….

i have Apache 160 Fi..i bot just 75,500/- on road at pune…

only problem is no proper Enginer..an Survice center r avable all over india…thats why TVS company is bull shit..

so go only yamaha…its a World brand…about me..i like apache comfort.& style.thats why i bot///

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Akshay April 9, 2009 at 10:46 am

Bhushan Bhai read this reviews from current site….

Apache review
http://bikeadvice.in/apache-rtr-refreshing-my-ride/
Final verdict – Apache has good vibrations, Go for FZ 16

FZ 16 review
http://bikeadvice.in/yamaha-fz16-review-and-road-test/
and more to come…

Before posting any coment use your brain and put correct numbers.

Please do not bluf, there is no FZ 15 in indian market

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pankaj April 9, 2009 at 3:02 pm

i am back wit my comments on my byke,,,,RTR 160 FI,,,i am due for my second service,, untill now the byke has been a beauty to watch and a macho to handle with superb performnce,,, it accelerates very fast, i was able to beat pulsar 150 with ease on the highway,,,,i touched 110 kms/hr with ease it can go faster i didnt want to take risk,,,no matter wat gear ur in the pull is the same, not like the pulsar where the pull is limited to 1st gear and later will pull no as in first gear,,,,rtr fi is the same on any gear,,,,,its awesome guys am sure u wud not regret after u buy it,,,,i checked the mileage on my byke,,,,for my suprise,, i get 55-60 inside city limits and 50 on highway,,,,,,,,handling the byke is very easy and light weight dosent strain u much,,,,,seating position doesnt affect ur back,,,i am really impressed by the performance of the byke,,,,,,

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vins April 13, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Performance Comparison-

0-60kmph(seconds)
0-100kmph(seconds)
0-400m(seconds)
Top Speed(kmph)
Fuel Economy(kmpl)
Kerb Weight(kg)

TVSApache RTRFI
4.73
15.07
18.9
114.0
62.9
139

Yamaha FZ16
5.20
18.50
19.8
106.7
48.1
12

this is it …tnk of urself gys

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jak April 13, 2009 at 3:43 pm

my dear vins,

may be u r giving right information,,
but i want to manipulate something in perfornmance of RTR FI,,which i m using nowdays with personal exp

0-60kmph(seconds) 4.3
0-100kmph(seconds) almost 13.00
0-400m(seconds) donno
Top Speed(kmph) 121 kmph(till now;;some trottle was left)
Fuel Economy(kmpl) 48-52 kmpl( can b high also)
Kerb Weight(kg) 136 kgs

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jerry April 14, 2009 at 1:58 am

hey yamaha freaks, i wanna tell the yahama boyz to come down town to marol andheri east and meet jerry..this guy will prove u which bike is arse taker…..illiterates can go for bajaj 125XCD and biker boyz dnt miss it its apache now or never..the RTR pulls 85km on 2nd gear r u hearing me yamaha boyz…I have raced with yamaha FZ and i on RTR u what i have showed my bum’not my’my bike bum and wripped the entire highway leaving the yamaha strugling to come ahead and at last i gave a chance and again wripped him naked on 3rd gear so u what yamaha boyz RTR has more power and can fart on yamaha face in anywaz handling,performance,mileage and price factor…
Yamaha just wait for RTR 180cc and 200cc….i beleave yamaha may again stop manafacturing bike for decades…
So mumbai and banglore guy go for TVS as we have biker boyz in this province and the rest of you can for mileage with low speed deminsion bike like 125cc and 100cc..
RTR ROCKS BIKER BOYZ…

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Mr.Madras April 15, 2009 at 4:24 pm

Hi Akshay,

Except rear disk can’t u see any think in Apache RTR Fi?
Most importer think is Fuel injection buddy. We are having Next generation technology.
The performance of Fi… FZ can’t imagine :-(
Top speed – Apache will hit the FZ’s top speed in the 4th gear itself :-D
Apache Mileage in city is 50 to 55 Km what about FZ? I am very sure 35 to 40 km. (speed limit – 40 to 70 kmph)
Clip on handle bar, Break and clutch lever, gear shifting road and footrest everything is cool.

You are telling FZ has complete Digital speedometer this that… that’s why we are talking about the Performance recorder buddy.

Except Tire and tank what FZ has?

Go and check your alloy painting quality, and pls keep on eyes in your rusted chain, and struggling gearbox.

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Shri April 16, 2009 at 4:11 pm

Hi All,
my apache is done 700km and i took it for a trip (around 300km), i just loved the way the bike held its own on the highway, on my way i also came across a FZ sissy, poor enough that the bike cud not even come close to being seen on my rear view mirror as we raced on the ghat areas, the handling of this bike is so smooth including sharp turning angle (mentioned previously on my post too) that even with those wide tyres FZ was no match to the RTR FI

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Krish April 19, 2009 at 8:49 pm

Hey All,
I have rided both Rz16 and RTRFi and for me RTRFi is the clear cut winner when i took it to highway i drove it @ 122km/h with my gf on back seat i always remember that moment as that time one Krisma(arround 2 years old)and a pulser 150 and FZ16 are being totally brutled by my RTRFi and only Krizma can manage its a little image at that time.
if there is a question of comfort in RTR u can say first coz RTR gives position when ur body has max pressure on ur shoulders but beleive me once u have a broad shoulders than u will never like giving pressure on ur Butts on Rz16 as for a long run ur Butts become hell …….

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sudeep April 20, 2009 at 12:07 pm

Pros,
1. Good styling, Price, as well as handling and yamaha reliability & quality,

Cons,
1. Handle bar and rider comfort comprised bcoz we have to bend a little in the long rides.
2. pillion rider comfort comfort compromised,
3. less power for the on road price 70000 rupees, (13.8) bhp , where as u get Apache with 15.7 bhp, and FI, and front and rear discs and P200 for around the same price,
for the money it should have been 159 instead of 153 and also increased the power.
4. u cant take the FZ-16 for off road biking,bcoz of its tyre, its only for tarmac, also its tyre is costly, 2000 rupees.

4. kick start should have been made compulsary, in india. it is a necessatiy.

with the kick start and other options with the bike the price would have been reduced.

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shobi April 20, 2009 at 4:15 pm

my apach rtr 160 is aworld gretest bike on perfomens

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sukesh April 21, 2009 at 10:34 pm

dude i have an apache RTR refresh and i did try riding FZ16 also and felt it was smooth but when it comes to acceleration power output its definitely Apache it easily touches 90ks and if u rev it to 6 rpm it even crosses 125ks … i simply love the noise of the apache it roars …when it comes to shape FZ might look rugged but the aerodynamics is considered rtr is simply great …!!

jak: hey frns! u cant compare these two stunning bikes. both r gud at their place. but one who owns an FZ will talk abo it and the other will do the same for RTR. I am also goin to buy a bike on this vellentine. so plz can anyone can suggest me for that? I want to keep this bike atleast for one year. In my officeways both rough n smooth road comes. so plz help me for that……..

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nishith April 22, 2009 at 7:58 pm

fz rocs d rtr in refinement, handling and lonlasting engine…..n yamaha monocross,tubless tryes and midship silencer would cost u more han 10k.. but fz is just 5k. so fz is worth every peny

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nishith April 22, 2009 at 8:00 pm

and fz 16 is the winner of 2008 best bike in 150cc segment…
and overdrive says that fz16 should be ur blind choice

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sukesh April 23, 2009 at 8:24 pm

dude honda has some thing called tuff up tires which is tubeless it starts 4m activa to unicorn

Akshay: hink people don’t have knowledge that side panels of almost all bikes are made up of Fiber no a days, even its applicable for Apache, Tank scoops as well are made up of fiber in Apache for that matter HH Hunk and FZ also has Fiber no exception and its good thing to reduce weight.

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Chathura April 24, 2009 at 11:47 am

Hey buddy,
First beat flame with your junk fz and then ask about apache.Apache is the best bike which i ever seen in the india’s 2 wheeler history. What nonsense that going to buy a bike for its tyres and silencer.R u kidding??????…….He is comparing apache fi with fz but he doesn’t no that apache fi is with rear disk brake…the picture porves that and buddy do u know about the difference of braking of roto petal disk and normal disk. Pls try get an idea about those important technical factors before comparing 2 bikes…..JUST AN IDIOT…MAN => APACHE IS THE BEST IN ANY TERMS…..

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Aaron Dutt April 24, 2009 at 3:40 pm

Heya guys,

Back again aftr my previous post wen my FZ ws within the 1st servc period..crossd 4000Kms now..i stil stick on to my verdict..ONE HELLUVA CITY RIDE..!!

See guys, we can share our views on our expernc wit the 2 rockin bikes here in this topic..showin off sm crap techno here is pitiable..Born Natural?? then bettr be it ;-)

Both these byks r tuned diffrnt…Yammer FZ for its Ruling City ride + Masculine Body and RTR for its Highway performnc + Sporty looks..!!

Top speed for FZ is 115Kph as per Mag-verdicts(112Kph is wot i got)..wheras its around 120Kph for RTR..!!

But u kno wot an Urban Commuter means??–Yammer FZ is the choice 4 u..Low and Mid-range Power does the trick for the yammer..U r the Lord once the signal turns green..!!

Evry1 shud choos the ride that meets their daily purpos..1 more ting to rmbr is that, 80-85% of ppl commute daily thru city roads/streets..speeding beyond 100Kph is not wot we do evrytim..perfct balnc, ultra mass centralisatn, broader tyres..FZ is one rocking byk man..!!

on the odr side –>
RTR dashboard s bettr than FZ’s(kinda lighting toy)..
MRF zapper tyres of FZ – THE BEST, RTR shivers there..
A kicker wud’ve made FZ more sturdier..
Did smbody commnt on the fibre body?? …come on now, evry 2-wheeler thats on road these days has got it..makes it more lighter..Also any 2-wheeler on Indian Roads, once u skid/collide @ a speed beyond 80-85Kph the bike is half gone no matter wich byk it is..damage never looks for performanc..lols !!
Also, the loud vibrations TVS RTR engin makes..i hav seen sm ppl qouting it as “RTR roars”…wot the F*** man..Yammer engine rocks there..!!

Now, for the hell riders like me…FZ beats RTR in evry aspect while doing all ur favourite stunts..One Style Byk the YAMMER is !!

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Shri April 26, 2009 at 11:21 am

Hey Aaron, u talk about the city, ruler, een i do a weekly ride of 200 kms (minimum) thru the city, even my boxer goes in smoothly so shud i say that it is better than FZ, grow up boy, i ride my apache on top gear even at 40 n its smooth so dont gimme that crap about city comfort…talk some real… n u r tryin to justify FZ coz u knw u r already screwed after buying an FZ… n regarding ur comment on RTR roars try the FI version n then we will do some talking… Till then jus shut up n mature thru the blog

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Aaron Dutt April 27, 2009 at 11:51 am

Aello “Shri” bhaiyya :D

Am staisfied with my yammer bro..no joke..!!
U can trust the yammer anytim..’ll be ther wit ya 4 a loong tym 4 sure..thats wot YAMAHA stand 4..!!
Seems lik u r stil in the past…its the age of macho riders & u stil talkin about ur boxer :D (oly thing is that it got sm mileage-try learnin wot balanc is)
if u r that particular on ur oldies…then nothing comes near the RX100…so cut the crap..!!!

I hav driven both RTRs bud..bettr wiki ur knowledg, 4 wot an Fi is used for, b4 u go blabbering open :P

Waiting to try the new pulsars..a series f them r comin soon na ;)

Rock on buddies..Burn ur way thru :D

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pankaj April 27, 2009 at 4:17 pm

i hav askd a lot of owners of fz on the road b4 buyng a byke,,,not even a single person was satisfied with its mileage,,,,its power is less when compared to normal rtr ( forget comparing it with fi,, fz is an ass when compared to fi),,, pillion rider cannot sit comfortably,,,,,u talk about city riding, mileage sucks wen compared to a normal pulsar 150cc,,,,u bought a fz got fucked ,,,,its okay,,, dont atleast leave comments like these and make others fool ,,,its a clean cheat if u buy fz,,it has looks nothing else.,…..i was able to beat a pulsar 150cc ( i have an fi ) with ease,,,,and ur fz is no match,,,,,try beating a pulsar 150cc,,,dont blabber,,,,if u still think fz has the best engine,,, please shove it up ur ass coz the engine has no mileage nor power,,,,,,,

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Aniruddh Tyagi April 27, 2009 at 11:03 pm

hi ppl
i have got the Yamaha Fz 16 in oct,18,2008,just after 5 days of lunching of fz.nd till now i have take it abt 13000km.this bike so much comfortable,easy controling & dashing loking.
i have reach it at 117 kmph .so that is not less speed.and i have not try to apche rtr 160 fi. so i can’t say abt it.
but u can totally beleive on yamaha fz.it have so much pickup & controlling.u can take turn upto 30 degree.

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pravin April 28, 2009 at 2:39 am

HI,

Apache-Fi just doesn’t stop with beating pulsar 150. I have an Apache-FI, and I have taken down pulsar200, karizma, and cbZ Extrere. However I cant even beat a Pulsar180 when I have a pillion in my bike.

Apache has good power, but poor torque which is due to the Short-Stroke Engine.

Though Apache-Fi is fast, It has many problems. I enquired with many Apache-fi owners, and they all say that there is a drop in pickup at around 3000 RPM, And I have that problem too. I tried to rectify it through the Service Mechanics, but they could only reduce the problem, but could never get rid of it. Fuel Injector Technology is new to TVS, so they may take some time to perfect it, so wait for some time, if you want to buy Fuel Injected bike from TVs. Better wait until TVS Mennace arrives. It’s my sincere advice to every one who is looking to buy a new bike

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Rahul Khanna April 28, 2009 at 11:36 pm

I think this is comparison of 150′s and only mentally retarded will talk about 125cc and 100cc here, foooool’s….

I can bend my Discover, so that my shoes brushes the road, it doesn’t mean its a good handler, but I and a great rider….

The same way if you can beat a female rider on Enfield, with your apache, you do not beconme a racer… First of all know what is racing……. Its between riders and bikes…..

People here say they raced and won, do you really knew that the other guy wanted to race??????

People riging Great bikes do not race with foolish bike cos’ they know they will for sure win and there is no point in racing, right?????

People faunting about race should have won atlease a gold medal in any kind of racing, before opening their??????

Someone here says that apache has very good mileage and sugest that go for 100 or 125 if you want more mileage… that’s sooo fooooooooooolish about them…

Some one here is talking about whats there in apache after reading a review of FZ 16, before asking please read what ever has been written Mr.Madras, you too need to learn what’s racing… Responsible people do not racr on street but on race tracks, because for sure Apache wil stop breathing on tracks that’s you race on streets

Someone is talking about useless Flame which has no flame(a big failure) and comparing that with FZ 16, Do you work for TVS for a salary of Rs.10 a month????

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Rahul Khanna April 28, 2009 at 11:46 pm

Spelling corrections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can bend my Discover, so that my shoes brushes the road, it doesn’t mean it’s a good handler, but I am a great rider….

The same way if you can beat a female rider on Enfield, with your apache, you do not become a racer… First of all know what is racing……. It’s between riders and not bikes…..

People flaunting about race should have won at lease a gold medal in any kind of racing, before opening their??????

Someone here says that apache has very good mileage and suggests that go for 100 or 125 if you want more mileage… that’s sooo fooooooooooolish about them…

Some one here is talking about what’s there in apache after reading a review of FZ 16, before asking please read what ever has been written Mr.Madras, you too need to learn what’s racing… Responsible people do not race on street but on race tracks, because for sure Apache will stop breathing on tracks that’s why you race on streets???

Between I own a FZ 16, and its the Best in my Opinion…

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Mani April 29, 2009 at 1:00 am

TVS is TVS an Indian company which never knew what 4Stroke technology a decade back, it learn from suzuki and it’s modifying Fiero Engine according to some stupid designers at TVS RnD. Apache failed VERY VERY badly, i still remember it won all BIKE OF THE YEAR AWARD !!!

RTR V1 : Hell of vibrations even at low RPMs
RTR Ref : Same thing but some plastics added to up the style quotient.
RTR RD : Read disc + above two
RTR Fi : Not reliable at all, it’s flop bike issues galore
RTR 180 : An upgrade to confuse buyers, it’s a sign of desperation, TVS have failed in their earlier projects and RTR180 is just eyewash, need to see how far it would be better?

FZ ? No words..people who buy third grade bikes always compare with first rate bikes only to lose out !!

YAMAHA RULES

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jak April 29, 2009 at 2:23 pm

oho mr mani;;;;;;wat a great idea lolz….
a mobile overdrive chapter and Mr rahul khanna…the great racer of that overdrive chapter……

ok mr mani tell me one thing

how many successful bike of yamaha in INDIA after RX100(hatzoff 4 that)
and the great racer races happens on the highway not in the street

and Fi is using tomorrow’s tech. in todays machine

only tyres cant make a machine the xtreme one itz all about the engine::::I know that u are feeling very regrets and u r showing ur frustration here:::::::::

but b cool xchange with some1s apache RTR FI and b a real fuel injector…..

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Aaron Dutt April 29, 2009 at 6:08 pm

hallo Mr.jak woteva bhai :D
Facts r Facts bro..accept it..
U mit’ve crossd sm FZs,200s,220s n Zmas..now cumon..
it does’nt mean u r the boss there :D
just some jack-a** show :D

try sm1′s FZ man..feel the mighty xpernc..
see hw it makes doin stunts so EZ in FZ ;)

also..
giv sm tym for the Jhatkha engine of ur TVS..
i jus wan2 see ur comments here aftr a 5-6 mnths ride of RTR :D :D
u’ll regret buddy :o :o :D :D

u’ll rlly feel n get more close with the alltym problm with TVS engines..life..it tries shining 4 smtym n then all of a sudden it starts vomiting tarry nightmares :D
ur engine no more ‘ll sound lik wot u tel lik ‘roar’ now..:P

TVS just startd a bit wit fi..wait 4 its perfo instead of goin 4 it straitws..u cant comment on its Fi perfomance with a couple of speedy rides dude..!!

Make some sense on wot u r blabbering at ;)

Yammer Rules..U can Trust the Lord of streets..!!

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Shri April 30, 2009 at 4:57 am

What a joke that Yammer rules, yammer does rule in the segment where it has pit in R15, but u FZ guys stuck with an inferior version of same (Including me, i own an FZ total waste of money) ca never accept that u will eat dust at hands of RTR… go get some fresh air..

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Shri April 30, 2009 at 5:07 am

N hey aaron of course boxer can never beat an RX100 (lot of respect for that bike) but yeah i am a little veteran out here maybe in terms of the no of bikes i own,Apache RTR FI,FZ, Boxer,RE Thunderbird twin spark, RE STD (1983 model) so my verdict FZ is a bad apple among the above good ones…

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jak April 30, 2009 at 11:33 am

@AARON DUTT….

nice comment appreciable hatzoff :::::wat a commentator r u:::
and i think the best astrologer of TVS::::::

u can c the future but cant c the past that happened to YAMAHA(libero,alba,gladiator,bla bla bla….)

man growup the life is short and u need not to wait for another….

and u r not goin to keep ur GREAT FZ with u the whole life

jab tak jiyo king size piyo
samjhe bachhu

so I think u got my point
and for ur kind info my roommate have ur great FZ and u know wat is roommates bike u can do anything wit it
when i tried it it was gud till 50-55 kmph but after that it was begging:::upar waale k liye mujhe chod do::::hahaha

and one more thing 160 is always more efficient than 150 hai na?

and factssssss

from the begining i m tellin that accept it but frustrations and regretts are clearly watchable on ur comment:::

so plz say something meaningful dost::::

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amit April 30, 2009 at 10:57 pm

jerin: hey!! thanks dude…many of us have been looking forward for good comaprisonsbetween the the fz and apache..this is going to be my first bike. like most of you i’m too not able to decide. here is y…first priority is riding comfort..yamaha is excellent but apache efi gives vibrations. thats bad.mostly for city rides, so in terms of control too yamaha wins here..second priority is mileage.mileage is a max of 40kmpl in city’s for the yamaha.50kmpl for apache efi..wt will be the mileage after 1 yr?(pls answr this .. i honestly dont know.)3rd.. styleyamaha of course… apache is not bad either..yamaha’s mud guards dont keep the dirt off your back neither off your engine.. all other bikes does it..yamaha leads in technology and trust.. i prefer apache’s dashboard to that of yamaha’s.i love the apache’s handle bar design .. pillion rider space and comfort ?i guess its the apache doing better here..fz’s colours can be changed for just 3 grand..other bike’s dont even have such an option..fz has no engine guard..besides engine and muffler(rt?) are made of fiber. hw gud will they be?fz has no kick start. will the self start work whatsoever or will i have to ask somebody to push my brand new bike to get it started?apache’s tires are no good.. safety and control are primary factors for any bike.. the only thing as you mentioned keeping me away from the apache is the engine quality, vibrations and after sale’s service..my status:cost is not a factor(for these 2 bikes only )..ready to sacrifice mileage if mud guard and self start issues of the fz are taken care of..Pls note: all i have put in here are what i got from various sites.. i would like to repeat again. i have no prior riding experience..i’m neither blaming any side. i’m just trying to find out which would suit me best…thanks guys..

Dude i hav bought an FZ-16 about 4 months back and i want to tell u that its just superb and i really love it.My bike gives me a mileage of 45-48 nd frankly speaking i dint expext it to do so but for good it is giving. but initially before my 2nd servicing it gave only 38 nd after 2nd servicing it is giving 47approx. The bikes handling is good but i felt d horse power shld hav been more nd riding experience is good but not long drives. nd bike does ask for maintanence. U will hav to keep it like a queen nd dont even think abt being rude wid it.
nd now abt apache , my friend has one nd d HP is too good but it gives only 45 mileage nd vibrates at 105+.(but FZ even at 110 was stable thanks to its rear tyre). Even my friends like FZ rather than the apache
so my personal view would be go for FZ-16 but if u want low maintance nd good pick up with style then go for HH-HUNK.

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Aaron Dutt May 1, 2009 at 11:14 am

Aaho Jak… :D
seems lik u got offended by the fear of seeing ur RTR cry aftr a mere 5-6 months :D :D
No offence kido..check ur byk..not my comments..lols(again no off) :P :P

also…i too live 4 the day..
Its tru that byks come n go..I do own an RX100 too..!!
But atleas 1 expects ur bike 2 be showin some perfo for its 1st year ;-)
Lets see wot u say aftr that..u’ll hav troubls kid..!

listen kido..a gud rider nevr supports a 160cc label against a thriller 153cc..
Yammer R15 is the best ans 4 u dude..!! 8-)8)

Hav u evr tested stunts on both the byks n compared it??
thats one more area wer FZ rocks over the RTR..
but again, it depends on the hell-rider too…but the effort u need is less in FZ, startin frm mere wheelies n stopppies ;-)
(Note: Use ya guards..play it safe..don mess around with other ppl on roads too..he he :P)

Also ‘jak’ u still holdin on wit comments on younger byks uh…
Bettr “GROW UP”..(lols again)..its the age of Macho Yammers !! ;-) :-) :-)

Ride safe all..Enjoy :-)

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vinod May 3, 2009 at 12:23 am

Mr.Madras: Absolutely Rahul, They are talking about the brand. We are comparing the product.As a bike what should be there? 1. Mileage2. Performance3. And Top speed Fi can beet Fz all this aspect. Then what else you want? For vincee Hello sir…. I want to ask one question.Can’t u see any OLD1. TVS Victor2. TVS Scooty3. TVS fiero4. TVS Max 100R5. TVS 50 and Champ?One more think still my friend has a TVS Fiero 125cc (Not Suzuki Fiero) that will beet your FZ in City. Are you ready? Where shall we meet buddy? First beet that then I will come with my RTR Fi.. 

nice challenge dude……..
actually i love this bike rtr 160
but after read these all comments above
i have a little confusion in my mind regarding this vibration
did u fell this problem when u ride ur rtr on highway
n whts the exact top speed in this bike
plz reply me so soon as i have to buy an earliest
reply me on my email
vinodpasbolaji@gmail.com

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jak May 4, 2009 at 10:57 am

@Aaron
again hatz off on ur great frustoo comment
u kno the reality of apache but better to know the performance of ur macho(oops sorry) ur FZ…..

I donno hOW a macho man like u can ever think lik that
and satisfied wid his macho’s performance
i think u didn’t ride RTR FI ….. thatz why u r laughing on urself …..

beta if u have some guts go and ride RTR FI then u will feel that wat mistake u have done after purchasing ur body builder but OKOK performer compared to RTR FI…

so know all rules b4 making ur own bachhe….

commenting is the best way to show frustration with ease which u r doin here again and again…..

dear yammer behave like a yammer not like a _______

so grow up more u have to grow a far to be a APACHE

so next time dont act like a kid
b a macho
OK…….

so be hapi wid wat u have if u dont want a great change wid APACHE RTR FI

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Mr.Madras May 4, 2009 at 2:35 pm

vinod:
nice challenge dude……..
actually i love this bike rtr 160
but after read these all comments above
i have a little confusion in my mind regarding this vibration
did u fell this problem when u ride ur rtr on highway
n whts the exact top speed in this bike
plz reply me so soon as i have to buy an earliest
reply me on my email
vinodpasbolaji@gmail.com

Apache has a Vibration, But that won’t spoil your confident or reliability. RTR Fi is the one of the best bike in 150 cc segment.

About Vibration,

In each gear you will feel the vibration in the particular RPM (5000-5500 and after 8500)

Actually the vibration came from 5000 – 5500 RPM (64 to 76 Kmph in the top gear) after that you can’t feel the vibration up to 8500 RPM(117 Kmph in the top Gear) After that it you will feel the vibration.
Bcos in this RPM RTR Engine got a Peek torque and peek power. They have to do something but I am very sure not bad.
My top speed is 131 in my speedometer and RPM is 9500 (There should be some error in speedometer)
0-60 we just clocked 3.9 sec
Mileage in city 50+ Kmpl
Highway 38 Kmpl (Speed 120+ Kmph Chennai to Blor Trip. Total time from Chennai Anna nagar to blor Whitefield 4.30 hrs )

RTR Fi needs a perfect ‘CO’ tuning if it’s not properly done then it will give a problem in bellow 3000RPM.
I too faced this problem but now it is too good.

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Rahul Khanna May 5, 2009 at 12:17 am

Mr. Jak, Jak, Jak, Jhakas, there is nothing jhakas about you…..:):)

Stop being a novice and feed into your brain that race happens on race track where every one is aware that they are racing and not on highways where you overtake a person at 50kmph, riding your tvs apache 160 rtr teribally hard…..

First of all learn what is racing all about… If you watch racing, you should know that every one rides a bike with same capacity and performance figures.. But the racer coming last is found far far far behind the racer coming first…..

YOU HAVE RAISED A QUESTION ON YOUR CREDIBILITY BY SAYING “//i think the best astrologer of TVS:::::://” about some one here…but you seem to be that!!! you will know as you read further….

From where did you get the useless knowledge that Fi is tomorrows tech. Fi was introduced long back and its yesterdays tech. If you want something new to flaunt around please go to TVS designers and manufacturers and beg to produce some thing useless as you are… Then Talk or comment Ok?

– Happy Racing on Tracks
– Apache is a copy of PULSAR if you guys don’t know….

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jak May 5, 2009 at 10:09 pm

@Rahul

ok agree
and thanks for giving me ur preciuos suggestion and knowkedge on racing anf FI too

APACHE is copy of PULSAR also waala bhi cool tha :(

here i m talking about racing trottle response and fuel injection not digital twin spark ignition..
by the way i have no regrets on my comments…..
this is my own xperience not others or great megazines
and if u r talking about the technology the there are only three bikes in india with FI technology
APACHE’ GLAMOUR’ YAMAHA R15 ”thatz all
thatz why I called it tomorrow’s technology in INDIA

rest of all craps will take long time to overcome it….
till then have fun with your non FI’s
u know wat is truth and all of us also…

in this competitive market nothin is good but apache is best in itz class
so shooting comment is not a bad idea for rest of all xept APACHEians
battles goes in battle ground not in gully

if u r gud at battleground then no1 will dare to go battle in gully
your dare is appreciable
My hat is always off for a daring person like RAHUL KHANNA

lolz….

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Mr.Madras May 6, 2009 at 12:09 pm

Hey Jak cool cool…
Very soon FZ-Series will come with Fi and rear disk break. Then only they will accept Fuel injection is a future tech.
Since they don’t have the tech in there bike so they will speak like that…

And one more thing buddy P220 also has a Fi…

@ RAHUL KHANNA

Ya Apache is a copy of Pulsar there is no doubt. In front of FZ 16 and FZ-S my Apache is nothing except Front Disk break design and Clip-ons handbar ..

But I want to say one thing … FZ 16 also copy bike buddy…. Fz 16 is not a completely designed from FZ1000 …

Go and search CB1000R … Then you can find what are the upgrades are need in your FZ…

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Aaron Dutt May 6, 2009 at 4:05 pm

@ Jak bhai ;)

Comment on the byk rather than checkin out wots der in somebdy els’s a** man ;)

I did askd u sm Qs in my last comment..Y silent abt that??

Seems lik u jus crossd sm normal bikers n boasting of a wind-ride :D
ha ha..come on kido..learn something called a “stable engine” frm yammer FZ..then shut in ya room n check out some hell-riding videos..(u can drop ur jaws if u want :P :P) :D

Ms.Jak seems lik enjoyin the vibrator effect(RTR-vibrator) b/w her legs..oops…his :D
Thats one ting u can rlly boast of kido.. :D :D

Yammer Rocks..!!
Ride safe all..play it Hot :)

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jak May 6, 2009 at 9:00 pm

@ Dutt

yes of course i crossed useless normal bikes in which ur YAMAHA FZ also came…
so u r urself telling ur bike useless pregnent stuff

yes i love the vibrations b/n my legs of ur FZ’s hole …

and i am not here to give the answer of ur silly and kiddy ques., u will get ur answer by urself only….
go and have that funful thrilling vibrations… oho but u can’t do that..
but i dont like to ride the pregnents….
but in frustration u can do it…u might not have any objections on that ……isn’t it Aaron..

so if u think that itz time to get rid of ur pregnent stuff and want to ride streamlined slin stuff then go for change with APACHE fuel injector and feel the thrilll…..

dont go to
ITZ NEVER TOO LATE
but go for
ITZ NOW OR NEVER>>>

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Guneet May 11, 2009 at 7:30 pm

hey guess im jus going to take fz16 in the month of june… jus wanna knw its actual top speed it can take… the company claim it 132kmph but then also… i wanna knw the experience of the top speed from its user.. coz i like to b a speedy roadster on the city as well as some long roads(not highways).. so one of ma friend got pulsar 150.. which will be ma greatest challenge on road… he got maximum speed of 127 kmph on his pulsar(not going above that) on single… so can yamaha fz 16 can beat 127 kmph speed limit???… coz in one video in youtube i saw fz16 on 120kmph.. but then also.. wanna knw the actual top speed…plzzz reply as soon as possible so that i can look forward to some k&n performance kit for fz if ur answers come negative.. coz i can’t take a bike costing highest than fz.. so i have to plug in performance kit only..

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Guneet May 11, 2009 at 7:46 pm

but then also… before k & n performance pluggin in… i wanna knw fz16′s pure top speed… & also p150 was not going above 127kmph.. so its top speed is probably that much only.. so anyone plzzzz answer to ma question as early as possible.. its improtant for me to knw…. try to understand… :(

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Mr.Madras May 15, 2009 at 4:21 pm

FZ True speed is 108 Kmph. In speedometer it may show around 124Kmph. After 80Kmph it will take time to hit the top speed But I don’t know Pulsar can beat FZ or what.

Fz is not for hitting Top Speed buddy. You may fail easily..

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Dalbir Singh May 15, 2009 at 4:56 pm

I don’t know which bike is best,
but things i have observed are,
mileage, top speed, pickup, comfort,

some says apache gives mileage above 50, i don’t know how they calculated, 160cc bike at normal conditions can only give 40 to 48 km/ltr, and that’s true i have tested.

Pulsar150, which has proven all the records, and have highest fans, gives mileage of 45 km/ltr.

fz has the lowest mileage around 40km/ltr, but this can be due fat tyres and higher tourque,

i think if tyers of RTr are changed to more fat, than there performance also reduces, i can’t say about the top speed but there mileage defnetly reduce,

RTR has great top speed because of the more BHP,
and i don’t know if it gives good mileage if constantly driven at the top speed.

Fz has good comfort, some says sitting space is less for pivilion rider, but i think its enough, not enough for tripling, if you want three person can enjoy the journey than this bike is not good,

pulsar and RTR has same comfort level, good for racing tracks, but not good for long constant speed journey,

both three bikes are good in there own respect,

you can chose according to your need.

for long term use not want to resale your bike go for FZ. spare parts are costly but needs less maintenance so don’t worry.

for resale and value for money go for pulsar, spare parts are easily avialable and at less price.

and for enjoyment and top speed go for RTR, but don’t know this enjoyment will last for how many years. less service centre,

thanks and have fun,
if i am wrong in any aspect, than sorry from my side.

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pankaj May 15, 2009 at 9:29 pm

wat crap,,,,,if u know nothing about the byke dont comment,,,fz is a true waste of money,,,,,,,rtr fi has a ture mileage of 60 kmph,, and hits a max of 125kmph,,, i have tested it,,, pulsar can never give mileage above 45 and fz if it gives 40 kmph is great,,,,rtr can beat both pulsar and fz with ease not doubt in dat,,,,,if anyone has any doubts ,,, meet me with ur fz ass,,,,,,and please stop giving these kind of reveiew wic is going to watse money,,,,,Dalbir singh if u r ready to watse money please donate then to if u want to go ahead and buy fz but please stop telling others to buy fz its a waste

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JAM May 15, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Surely the FZ is tar ahead of d freaky, stupid RTR. Also,how can u compare a YAMAHA with a TVS

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pankaj May 16, 2009 at 1:26 pm

u surely cant compare a byke with obsolete technology with the one of rtr fi,,,,,grow up kid

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Aaron Dutt May 16, 2009 at 7:14 pm

U got such a crap-thinking head over ther ‘pankaj’ boy :D

Hey kido hav u atleas seen an FZ..jus check it out b4 callin it an “obsolete”…Atleas wake up frm ur freaky dreamy world man…This is Yamaha over here…callin an Yammer engineering an obsolete one..U sure mit’ve gone out of ur mind man..!!

Also…i jus don undstnd wot kinda byk u r riding on..??
60kpl mileage 4 ur speed-burner thing uh?? ha ha…do u tink ppl over here r dumb..??

Fact is..Both these byks r made 4 diff purpose…
FZ is not 4 that top-speed thing..but its the best balancd longlasting power yamaha engine..no doubt n that..
Well stable on the roads on its MRF zappers ;-)

Wel i need to corrct the top-speed someone qouted over here..
i jus kissed the 118kph yestdy..& i tink thats a fare figure it has got..!!

Yammer Rocks..!!
Ride safe all..play it Hot :-)

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Dalbir May 17, 2009 at 1:45 am

pankaj may be i am wrong, but do experience other bikes, top speed is not always the things to test,
these two bikes are of different kind,
Fz can’t beat RTR on highway
but its impossible to beat Fz in the urban area.
you can’t go above 90km/hr in a urban so how can u show your performance there.
you have to repeatedly shift gears in urban area on RTR and that reduces the changes to win the game.

if anybody says that RTR can perform any where, get a challenge on mountains, i bet a pulsar can beat RTR easily, Fz is far ahead to challenge. you can’t drive at more that 80km on mountains, I am talking about max speed, but i think u can’t even rich 70km/hr,

so my point is RTR and FZ are of diff kinds of bike u cn’t compare them,

check your needs first,

my personal opinion, just for suggestion… don’t have to go with it.

if you really want good mileage and good speed bike
go for hunk.

if you want to enjoy your bike in tight streets and urban area, and mileage don’t matters to you try Fz.

if you want a all rounder bike go for Pulsar(all rounder means average performance in all fields).

for single riding exp and high speed exp go for RTR.

if you says top speed and mileage is all than may be royal Enfield is the worst company, with lowest mileage and top speed, but you can’t understand the importance of less gear shifting and the feeling that bike give,

a Bike which can perform well in all conditions is true bike for which u have to pay more.

really want to challenge a 150cc bike in top speed challenge r15, which is truly made for top speed.

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Dalbir May 17, 2009 at 2:38 am

one thing i missed, top speed of RTR is 120km/hr in the best conditions, you know what is best conditions,(single 60 kg rider, cooler atmosphere, without wind and many more………. ) stop adding some extra kms,
RTR fails to do so many times in normal conditions. Most of the times u have pillion rider total 140 kg weight on bike and RTR can go upto 110km/hr on a plane highway.

PLz don’t comment next that it can also beat Kzma and pulsar220 in top speed.

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Dalbir May 17, 2009 at 3:01 am

DON’T BE CHEATED BY UR DIGITAL CONSOLE,
many times it fails to give exact reading.

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Aaron Dutt May 17, 2009 at 11:16 am

Well said Dalbir ;-)

Also…guys…check out the OVERDRIVE-May’09 issue..

All answers & doubts cleard there..Dalbirs’ point well proved there…
Also RTR guys, do read the feedbacks frm ur fellow RTR guys..Wot u ppl call “RTR roars” is the the dark side of TVS engine…
Please make note of it..even the guys using the muziq-ear-plugs feelin the nuissance..!!

So guys, for a better review Check out the May issue of Overdrive..Its ur money..Use it Well..!!

Yammer Rocks..!!
Ride safe all..play it Hot :-)

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amit May 17, 2009 at 12:29 pm

Aaron Dutt: U got such a crap-thinking head over ther ‘pankaj’ boy Hey kido hav u atleas seen an FZ..jus check it out b4 callin it an “obsolete”…Atleas wake up frm ur freaky dreamy world man…This is Yamaha over here…callin an Yammer engineering an obsolete one..U sure mit’ve gone out of ur mind man..!!Also…i jus don undstnd wot kinda byk u r riding on..??60kpl mileage 4 ur speed-burner thing uh?? ha ha…do u tink ppl over here r dumb..??Fact is..Both these byks r made 4 diff purpose…FZ is not 4 that top-speed thing..but its the best balancd longlasting power yamaha engine..no doubt n that..Well stable on the roads on its MRF zappers Wel i need to corrct the top-speed someone qouted over here..i jus kissed the 118kph yestdy..& i tink thats a fare figure it has got..!!Yammer Rocks..!!Ride safe all..play it Hot

hey dude let me update u i hav touched 125 already on d bike nd the bike wuld hav still pulled a lot more, it me who got afraid nd didnt cross 125………… so some one has d guts then go nd try to pull it more nd it will pull it more nd more…………….FZ-16 rocks… Yamaha THUMBS UP…..

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pankaj May 17, 2009 at 1:29 pm

all u fz freaks u people are so frustrarted of ur vehicle ,, u just dont want to accpet the fact dat fz is not worth the money u invested,,,rtr fi does give 60 kmph mileage and pfcourse it has the best power amongst the fz and pulsar,,,r15 and r1 are good products from yamaha,,,b4 i cud but rtr fi ,,, i have gone througha lot of reviews and also enquired owners of all kind of bykes,,, no one is satisfied with fz,,,its ur ego which isnt allowing u to accept the fact,,,,wen i saw d pics of fz on magazines and on the i was stunned, i immediate decision was to buy the byke no matter what happens,,,,1st byke on the road,,,i followed d guy and asked him how he felt of the byke,, he said the byke gives 35 kmph,,later none of the fz owners have told me more than 40kmph,,,,,i taught of letting teh mileage part to go,, i rode the byke felt good,, and then came the part of comfort,, i accidentally discovered dat the pillion rider has to sit with legs on either side and the back seat is not comfortable…..i had to think of it,,, later i checked for the power wic is of 14 bhp wic is the same as pulsar,,,wen i compared teh byke with pulsar,, the byke is no match,,,,forget about ur technology,,,, as a common man i need a byke wic is comfortable, gives good mileage and has good power,, considering these factors pulsar is ofcourse better than fz and price,,,,,ohhhhh fz is 10k more than pulsar,, dat was shocking to me,,,,,,and then u have a byke rtr fi,, wic is the sam eprice as d fz wic the features a common man wil look for and is better in all aspects,,,,,dude is u r taking about mountain ride,, i wud buy if u insists an fz only for mountains,, after driving fi for few months, i tried my hands again on fz ,,, its a crap,, it struggles to move forward,,,and the design of fz is good but vanishes when a number plate is placed ,,,,i am sure u wud hav taught a lot b4 placing d number plate on the byke,,,,wat joy if u cant ride the byke comfortably,,, burn ur ego and think in simple terms,,, fz is just a cheat for money,,,,,,,,fuel injection is the future technology,,,i wud price fz at 60000rs,, dat is wat it is worth of,,, rest is just the hype created,,,,,,,and dont tak about gear shifts,,,rtr fi is better even der,,, ride a rtr fi first u wil know d difference ,,,,,

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pankaj May 17, 2009 at 1:33 pm

and y wud i comment or compare a 160 cc vehicle with a 220 cc vehicle,,,,,,likewise it makes no sense to compare a 150cc vehicle with a 160cc vehicle,,,,,dont get confused rtr fi is a 160cc byke not a 150cc byke……

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Aaron Dutt May 18, 2009 at 12:19 am

Oye pankaj..Seems lik all the dark-side truths :P abt ur noisy-vibrator thingie jus got stuck in ya wind pipe :D
Chokin up eh?? :P
ya phir almos on verge of tears..?? ha ha ;-)

Chill up kido..!!

1 mor ting..Its the yammer macho muscular byk over here..
Pillions usually put their legs on either side of the seat on such a hunky stuff..stop complainin lik a baby..

Anyws..as i said earlr..jus go thru the l8st edition OVERDRIVE May’09..!!

Yammer Rocks..!!
Ride safe all..play it Hot :-)

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Kamal May 18, 2009 at 10:37 am

FZ16 rules…

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Mr.Madras May 18, 2009 at 11:12 am

Dalbir: pankaj may be i am wrong, but do experience other bikes, top speed is not always the things to test,
these two bikes are of different kind,
Fz can’t beat RTR on highway
but its impossible to beat Fz in the urban area.
you can’t go above 90km/hr in a urban so how can u show your performance there.
you have to repeatedly shift gears in urban area on RTR and that reduces the changes to win the game.if anybody says that RTR can perform any where, get a challenge on mountains, i bet a pulsar can beat RTR easily, Fz is far ahead to challenge.you can’t drive at more that 80km on mountains, I am talking about max speed, but i think u can’t even rich 70km/hr,so my point is RTR and FZ are of diff kinds of bike u cn’t compare them,check your needs first,my personal opinion, just for suggestion… don’t have to go with it.if you really want good mileage and good speed bike
go for hunk.
if you want to enjoy your bike in tight streets and urban area, and mileage don’t matters to you try Fz.if you want a all rounder bike go for Pulsar(all rounder means average performance in all fields).for single riding exp and high speed exp go for RTR.if you says top speed and mileage is all than may be royal Enfield is the worst company, with lowest mileage and top speed, but you can’t understand the importance of less gear shifting and the feeling that bike give,
a Bike which can perform well in all conditions is true bike for which u have to pay more.really want to challenge a 150cc bike in top speed challenge r15, which is truly made for top speed.

Your previous comment is good…
But how can u say Pulsar can beet Apache? Hey
Go and check the timing for
0-60
0-100
0-Top speed

Apache will beet the entire speck dear. Apache is good competitor for P200 and P220.

This scrap shows u have a pulsar…. That’s why you are talking like this…
Do u know the RTR Fi Performance after 110 kmph? If you get a chance check it once… After that u don’t speaker about Pulsar.. U can feel the real “RACING THROTTLE RESPONSE”

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Mr.Madras May 18, 2009 at 11:19 am

Dalbir: one thing i missed, top speed of RTR is 120km/hr in the best conditions, you know what is best conditions,(single 60 kg rider, cooler atmosphere, without wind and many more………. ) stop adding some extra kms,
RTR fails to do so many times in normal conditions. Most of the times u have pillion rider total 140 kg weight on bike and RTR can go upto 110km/hr on a plane highway.PLz don’t comment next that it can also beat Kzma and pulsar220 in top speed.

Of course it can’t beet Karizma and P220.. But it will be a best compotator That’s it…

top speed of RTR is 120km/hr in the best conditions, you know what is best conditions,…..

Buddy do u know the top speed of P150 and FZ?
P150 is 107 (best conditions,…..)
FZ is 108 (best conditions,…..)

In Speedometer it may show 127 Kmph or 124 Kmph… That’s speedometer error…
With pillion My RTR Fi hit 130Kmph..

Don’t waste our time first buy any one of the bike (FZ or RTR Fi) Then come and comment plssssssssssssssss

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Mr.Madras May 18, 2009 at 11:32 am

Aaron Dutt: Oye pankaj..Seems lik all the dark-side truths abt ur noisy-vibrator thingie jus got stuck in ya wind pipe
Chokin up eh??
ya phir almos on verge of tears..?? ha ha
Chill up kido..!!1 mor ting..Its the yammer macho muscular byk over here..
Pillions usually put their legs on either side of the seat on such a hunky stuff..stop complainin lik a baby..Anyws..as i said earlr..jus go thru the l8st edition OVERDRIVE May’09..!!Yammer Rocks..!!
Ride safe all..play it Hot

Ohhh buddy go and read the FZ Complaints…
Hee Hee. :-D :-D
1. Worst Gear box.. Problem in gear shifting.
2. Worst Quality of Chain and spare.. ( Go and check the rust in the chain Buddy)
3. See the painting quality… ( I saw so many FZ alloy )
This complaints are given by FZ owner only…

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Rahul Menon May 19, 2009 at 5:21 pm

Dear all,

Yamaha is a big zero when you come to Four Stroke Technology.Can you show any one product form Yamaha Four stroke category which has been in the market for more than 2 years.

They keep on changing the name and model and shape.Remember the failure of YBX,Crux,Enticer and other models?

Now compare with TVS Victor,TVS Star and other models all this are selling like hot cakes.

Regards

Rahul C.Menon

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Rahul Menon May 19, 2009 at 5:29 pm

Dear all,

Yamaha is a big zero when you come to Four Stroke Technology.Can you show any one product form Yamaha Four stroke category which has been in the market for more than 2 years.

They keep on changing the name and model and shape.Remember the failure of YBX,Crux,Enticer and other models?

Now compare with TVS Victor,TVS Star and other models all this are selling like hot cakes.

I dont think Yamaha knows anything regarding Four Stroke Technology

Regards

Rahul C.Menon

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Sharad Sharma May 20, 2009 at 8:55 pm

Dear,

Please tell me that FZ-S or FZ-16 are good for long drive(300 to 400 km)or not if yes so what it has which makes a difference if not so why ?

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ram May 21, 2009 at 11:36 pm

I want to modify TVS apache 150. suggestion for filter R1100 or RC1060, which one will be good and i am going to upgrade my bike by porting the engine and change the piston to 160 RTR piston. Can u guide me for proper upgrades

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hardik May 26, 2009 at 4:06 pm

Rahul Menon: Dear all,Yamaha is a big zero when you come to Four Stroke Technology.Can you show any one product form Yamaha Four stroke category which has been in the market for more than 2 years.They keep on changing the name and model and shape.Remember the failure of YBX,Crux,Enticer and other models?Now compare with TVS Victor,TVS Star and other models all this are selling like hot cakes.I dont think Yamaha knows anything regarding Four Stroke TechnologyRegardsRahul C.Menon

YAMAHA if compared to TVS is more good. TVS is a big zero in terms of styling. YAMAHA’S FZ 16 is the best bike i hav ever seen.

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jak May 26, 2009 at 5:46 pm

style is secondary thing kid

performence defines a real hero

wat will u do with the style if u are underperformer

it seems u r also frustrated after purchasing a fatshit….

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Sai R May 26, 2009 at 6:43 pm

You forgot to mention RX100 in the list of bikes that can accelerate quicker than FZ, I just switched to FZ16 from RX100. I can feel the FZ16′s raw power, but i still think FZ cannot accelerate quicker than RX100.
Not sure, if its entirely true, I hope someone does a FZ vs RX drag, just to be clear my biggest biking doubt.

charan: guys i dont think the comparision between the 2 bike is fair enough…the apache 160 rtr fi is an performance bike…where as fz16 isnt…if u only want looks go for the fz16 if u want outright performance n u cant afford da r15 or p220 apache is definatly the 1 2 go for…

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nikhil May 27, 2009 at 12:45 am

well, i had own FZ16 much better than apache rtr 160 fi & i know i’ve choosed a right bike,sorry dude but you’re wrong in performance section,on highway FZ16 can cross speed of 120 kmph(according to my experience without pillion).

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jak May 27, 2009 at 10:58 am

once drive rtr fi then u will feel the difference; dont go for reviews;;make ur own

if u have crossed 120 without pillion i reached 118 with pillion and still it was asking for more but road was not clear….

so after riding ride once FI

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pravin May 28, 2009 at 3:12 am

Yes, Apache FI is much more powerful than fz-series. I have reached 123kmph whthin a short stretch in my apache-fi. FZ can never compete with apache-fi when it comes to performance. However Apache-fi have some problems. My apache-fi has poor power until it crosses 4000 rpm. But after that, it is a different story. But between 2800 rpm to 4000rpm, there is some fuel blocking effect. so for city riding, I personally believe that FZ will make you more confident, though apache-fi is faster. But on the highways, apache-fi will dwarf fZ in performance and thrill. You will love the rush of Adrenaline while riding an Apache-fi, which you will never get from a FZ-series yamaha.

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rahul May 31, 2009 at 10:52 pm

hey guys..i am a p220 owner..I am from Kathmandu and i have found that FZ is geeting more popular here..Through my personal experience of both the bikes i have seen that TVS rtr is a bike for a true man..FZ 16 is also a good bike but only for its style but what we r looking is also the performance..Once i had a street race with a rtr refresh with my p220 and i was surprised that the rtr really had a good acceleration and speed.Though it cannot beat p220 but it was really very close..I even have raced the FZ but it was no way in the competition..FZ doesn’t have good acceleraton compared to rtr, it does’t give good mileage..If it falls of then the bike becomes heavily damaged as it is majorly made up of fibre plastics..If money is not a matter then p220 is a good bike too..I especially love its projection headlamps and makes me comfortable to ride my bike during night..
My suggestion for buying bikes
1.Unicorn is good bike for comfortable and mileage
2.TVS apache is good for Power, technology and looks
3.p220 is good for technology, power and it really have a lot power than other bikes.
4.R15 is a bike of a real high quality but is small and doesn’t match for the huge body guys..
Don’t only see the yamaha or tvs brand.. See the model as all bikes are manufactured in india itself..U can buy any of the four bike above according to ur budget and requirements.

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Shail June 16, 2009 at 8:39 pm

I hv bought apache 160 rtr on 29th may 2009.wanted to buy rtr fi but its service outlet not available in my city.still equally happy wid rtr.it’s looks,performance & evrything.
i bought it after very detailed investigation(every day 2 hours surfing for few months so dat can get review from blogs ,websites of all kind) .one thing is strange.apache is best 2 me in its category & most of people agree if told in details.still people opt for pulsars,cbz extreme’s,karizmas,now a days specially FZ-series(fz-s & fz-16),d most. d reason to me is they r not aware of apache’s brilliance.because very few people do detailed investigation like me,mostly they go for word of mouth by relatives n frnds.who suggests other bikes.ad do dere work but lack of brand ambassador in them especially for apache is one reason.so if u do dis for menace 180 cc i bet tvs will rock d world more(even though menace will rock d bike world).
but new pulsar 220c @ 70,000 only launching on 23rd june 2209.dis will shake FZ- series ,apache rtr,rtrfi & menace(180 cc) as well.
for dose who don’t bother for mileage…..
in first 500 kms apache rtr 160 has given mileage of 45 Kms/ltr in traffic + highways+hilly area)(max speed 50 Km as it was running in period))
surely i wil lget more of it once 1000 kms are over……..& dan the top speed will be checked too…….

now my problem:-
i have faced a bit of problem with my digital console.its speedometer one day become irratic(160 KM while i was at 30 km)) but after few hours itself started working properly .

suggestion:-
it shud hv side stand indicator in its console/dashboard.

& CIRCULAR RIM LINING/STICKER IN its ALLOY WHEELS IN COLORS SUIIING THE BODY COLOR OF THE BIKE
LIKE:- RED IN RED,
SILVER IN BLACK,YELLOW IN YELLOW ETC..

& ONE RED HORSE OF TVS IN THE BACK MUDGUARD BELOW REFLECTOR or near sticker 160 rtr or tvs racing. dis WILL INCREASE BRANDING….
tvs can give wider rear tyre dat doesn’t effect bikes mileage n performance much…….. it is in trend……& will make apche the undisputed king……….

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UnKnown June 20, 2009 at 12:03 am

hardik, please note that YZF R1 is a 4 stroke bike and YAMAHA produces bikes that wins MotoGP.. keep your A** shut if do not have knowledge about bikes you B*** S***….

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dominic June 20, 2009 at 9:11 pm

pravin: Hi friends,I own apache-fi for the past 5 months and I have done around 5000 km on my bike. I would like to share both the pros and cons of my fi.pros:1. Great pickup ( I have done 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec) ( I think I am a good rider especially at high speeds. I have beaten Karizma, 200 pulsar, cbz extrene and also 150 pulsar, however I think that pulsar 200 can catch me above 100km/hr2. nice suspensions. The bike gives a very smooth ride however I hear some say in professional reviews that apache has hard suspensions, but I feel that apache-fi gives one of the smoothest ride among indian bikes.3. good top speed ( I have reached 120 in very short stretch)4. good mileage for a performance bike (initially I received 40 km/lit and now it has come up to 50)5.good handling. The bike feels lite and manoeuvering it is a delight, and due to its compact design even city riding is nice.6.Looks are not bad either, how ever my grey apache is very hard to differentiate from the normal apache. Cons:1. poor tires. ( tvs tires sucks. Dont even think of breaking in roads with sand or wet roads) It would have been great with MRF tubeless tires.2. There are some minor issues like Loss of power at around 3000 rpm and engine missfiring sometimes when you close the torhttle.3. Even though the pickup is great, It lacks power since apache has a short stroke engine, which can produce great pickup, but less power(15.7 bhp, but just 13.1 nm of torque), so dont even think of racing even a 180 pulsar with a pillion in the back, because I have tested it. Even during windy days I could feel the drop in power( once on a windy day, my apache-fi struggled to go beyond 103kmph even in singles). it struggles even to reach 100 in doubles even when the wind speed is low. However My apache can reach 120 very fast in singles and I have even beaten karizma and 200 pulsar in singles.4. Rear disk breaks does no good. It is just a worthless addon, so people who are planning to go for non fi- apache donot choose rear disk breaks.5. The Engine produces loud tappet noise, which mighe make you feel that the engine is nearing the end of its life.6. The engine and the gear box are not very smooth. The engine starts to vibrate massively(resonate) beyond 5000 rpm.My conclusion :I personally believe that there is no bike in the 75k price range that gives better bakg for the buck(value for money) than the apache-fi. However, If you want more pulling power and are ready to sacrifice mileage for power and size, then you can go for pulsar 200, which is also one of the best perfomance bike in india. However, If you just want Style and smoothness then you can choose FZ16.In my personal openion, fx16 lacks the engine capacity to pull a tire as wide as this(rear:140/60/17 and front:100/60/17). These tries are meant only for style. Practically speaking, you don’t need these tires for fz16, since it donot have high top speede like r15 or p220 or p200 or apache-fi. The true purpose of wide rear tire is to provide better traction and avoid wheel spin and loss of grip,when you open the throttle after finishing a highspeed curve.So My advice to all those who are planning to get a new 75k bike is- “Go For Apache-fi or Pulsar 200″.

hello fz16 tyres r tubeless guyd so it won weight much so it goes…… in series of 150 its a best bike to buy…….. i touch ma demon to 130kmph…….. it rocks man…. even apache kissin ma ass man not ma cock……….

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dominic June 20, 2009 at 9:49 pm

amit: hey dude let me update u i hav touched 125 already on d bike nd the bike wuld hav still pulled a lot more, it me who got afraid nd didnt cross 125………… so some one has d guts then go nd try to pull it more nd it will pull it more nd more…………….FZ-16 rocks… Yamaha THUMBS UP…..

i pulled to 130 an it goes on but i did nt get road to pull…

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pravin June 22, 2009 at 1:22 am

Hi Dominic,
When I mentioned the size of the fz’s tires, I was’nt meaning its weight. Large tyres tend to produce more Drag, which will reduce the performance of any vehicle, and that’s why r15 and apache are loaded with a very small tyre, as r15 was meant for speed and so is apache, while fz series bikes are meant for style and low speed maneuverability for riding inside city traffic and not speed.

New updates: I reached 125kmph in my apache FI today, within a short stretch of around 600 to 700 metres. If I could find a longer stretch, then I think my apache-fi can cross 130kmph.

I really dont believe that fz series bikes can reach 130kmph, beacuse I know a friend who owns a black fz16, who owned pulsar200 until 3 months ago, when he faced an accident after which he bought yamaha, because he thought that bajaj may be unlucky for him. He told that fz16 can accelerage well upto 80kmph and after that it is a different story. It takes a long time to reach even 100kmph. He is a very fast and talented rider. when he crashed his pulsar200, he was doing 128kmph in his bike while racing againsa herohonda-karizma.
So I strongly believe that fz series bikes can never reach 130kmph, and if it does, then it may take tens of miles to reach that top speed, while apache-fi and pulsar200 can reach 130 within a blink of an eye.

I do accept that apache-fi is not the best bike. It do have flaws. I has some problem like (fuel blocking) when the engine is running between 2800 to 4000rpm. My apache-fi has that problem. And TVS tyre sucks. And Rear disk breaks are worthless addon, which only costs you 2000 extra bugs.

Unlike others, I am speaking from my heart. I am not biased towards any brand like few other bloggers, who will never accept the truth.

I do accept that yamaha-R15 is a very fast bike, but it also comes with a very high price tag.

People, dont forget that apache 180 is releasing soon and I am sure that Its gonna kick a lot of bikes arses including apache-FI’s, and it is also priced lower than Apache-fi.

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Mr.Madras June 22, 2009 at 12:34 pm

dominic:
hello fz16 tyres r tubeless guyd so it won weight much so it goes…… in series of 150 its a best bike to buy…….. i touch ma demon to 130kmph…….. it rocks man…. even apache kissin ma ass man not ma cock……….

In which day dream u hit 130kmph in ur FZ buddy? should i belive that? even YAMAHA Company people said the top speed of FZ is 108 tru speed (in speedometer it may show around 124 ) Go and tell ur story to kinds….

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guneet June 22, 2009 at 8:38 pm

hmm.. mr.madras.. i have seen from the beginning u r against fz.. i dunn knw whats ur problem but then also… u r still recommendin that punk ass motherfucker apache.. whos tires still needs a serious improvement & also on account of mr. dominic.. company claims its speed to b 132kmph.. n also he’s not a fuckin fool here who keeps on publishing fake stories abt fz’s speed… n also mr. madras.. grow up.. no1′s even give a damn shitty look at apache rtr fi.. or normal rtr here in delhi.. n also.. apache sits on ma dick coz its vibrates badly above 90kmph.. which sm people explains as its “ROAR”..n also.. the looks of fz rocks.. apache is jus like a kid fitted with a 160cc engine which is useless & ain’t have any stability also.. jus to b in the list of 160s.. thats it.. i bought fz on 16th of june.. did’nt speed ed up that kid.. but.. the attraction point as well as the grunt shows a big cock on account of apache whos a useless fuel injection technology to show others that tvs still not disappeared in indian market.. n also.. its up to u to believe or not that mr.dominic is showin his cock to apache.. but the truth is here in delhi is that.. fz rock n shows apache a COCK.. thats all..

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Mr.Madras June 23, 2009 at 11:26 am

@ guneet

U r using some words in a public forum that seams ur attitude. See ur FZ fails in this competition so got tense and rex so that u r using all this words. My Emotional buddy go and reed all the forum and find the hitting Top speed difficult in FZ… No need to search some where go to the top page of this forum.. Is company people said FZ’z top speed is 132?.. If u proved this I will burn my RTR Fi in Chennai city Mount road buddy…

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Mr.Madras June 23, 2009 at 2:27 pm

@ guneet

And one more think I am not Against of FZ series. I just mad of this design. But bcos of that I can’t afford 75k.
Except design what else it has? monoshock is not too good in FZ. It’s so strife. Strife suspension for performance bike FZ is not a performance bike this is a commuter. So it should be smooth but it is not.

Come to the point

He Said YAMAHA dealer said FZ’s top speed is 132Kmph… Do u know the True speed of R15? R15 True speed is 130.2 Kmph.

R15 is a short stroke Engine. 17 Bhp @ 8500rpm
That means R15 engine will produce 17 php at the RPM of 8500.

R15 has a Delta frame, Aerodynamics, Perfect Fuel injector, Specially designed rear MRF tyre after all this R&D it produce this much of power and Speed.

But you are blindly telling my dealer said FZ top speed is 132Kmph like that so it will go. How is possible?

FZ built for city. FZ is a Long Stroke Engine 14 Bhp @ 7500 rpm, Radial rear tyre, Naked front fearing, carburetor version

Long stroke Engine for better torque (torque – Unit of twist – SI term). If the torque increase means it can rotate the gear wheel in the gear box easily specially in midrange.

Radial rear tyre for better balance in lowest speed in city and high speed too. Wider tyer will make more friction in the ground so it will drop the power from the engine to wheel. That’s why they didn’t use this Radial Tyre in R15… And also it will take more fuel.

Naked bike will get more air resistance when it goes high speed.. And also FZ using the carburetor version.

All this factor will give the complete result set. FZ for urban bike it is not for hitting top speed and also so many factors will drop the top speed too…

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jak June 23, 2009 at 3:24 pm

mere pyaare guneet

seems to get frustated with ur shitty bodybuilder named FZ. still u are talkinf like a kid and crying for no 1 no1 no1 YAMAHA. u might be a bodybuilder and handsome but to keep rocking the generation u sud hav performance of ur dick not ur body and the dick is called the superb engine..understood..

and wat r u shouting about delhi delhi delhi……
i heard that delhians are always stick to the rule not to follow the crowd…

yamaha is a good company but only outside india
just tell me that how many bikes of ur yamaha is successful after rx100 in india…..

kidd most of the time u have to live india…first see ur own ass before penetrating others..

i know how much it is difficult for u to accept the fact that FZ is only a heap of yamaha’s shit

dont compare shit(FZ) with the crown(APACHE) of segement….

when u will sit on ur bike u r not able to see ur bike..on that time u have onle speedometer and racing throttle in front of u…so here how good ur bike is performing matters…

rahi baat vibrations ki to let me tell u one thing that yes apache vibrates but only between 60-70 kmph if u r at 5 gear go to 3 or 4 gear then u will know the power and drag of apache FI which is almost impossible with carburettor….

first go and ride the real macho named apche on full throttle then definately ur shit will b on YAMAHA’s shit…

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pravin June 24, 2009 at 12:46 am

Hi Mr.Madras and jak. I really appreciate your comments. You both speak like a gentleman, while Mr.”guneet” is using filthy words in a public blog.

Some people like guneet are not ready to accept the fact.

We Apache-fi owners are only sharing the truth about both the bikes. We all accept that fz series bikes look damn sexy, but its real drawback is its performance. Today, I saw a fz16 rider on the road to my office and I tried to pull him on a race with me. Ofcourse he did start to accelerate with me, but after I opened up the throttle, he just calmed down around 75 kmpm while I kept raising up to 115kmph. He knew that he can’t compete with an apache and so he dropped the race.

Yes apache vibrates a lot, but only between 5000 to 6000rph. No bike in india has a speedometer, which can show the exact speed. Like I already said, I have reached 125kmph in my bike(speedometer reading), but the true speed that I have reached may be around 110 to 115kmph, and that’s how all the bikes in our country are able to go beyond the factory mentioned top speed. In reality an apache-fi can only reach a true top speed of 120kmph. Unless the bike is tampered with some performance enhancers, it can not cross the 120 mark.

Likewise, the true top speed of fz-16 is just below 110kmph, so anything above that is just speedometer error. If you still dont believe that apache-fi can beat fz-16, then try riding an apache-fi atleast once or if possible, then have a drag race with apache-fi and you will see that when your fz-16 reaches 80kmph, apache-fi will be doing atleast 110kmph.

Apache-fi can accelerate equally with a pulsar 200, but a fz16 can never do that.

First understand the purpose of any bike. fz is for city riding, so it has more torque and less bhp, so it cannot accelerate fast and also it cannot reach high top speeds, but it will give you good pulling power at low and mid speeds. Even the moto-gp-125 class bikes, which can reach 250kmph dont have tyres as big as fz’s.

So weather you accept it or not, the truth is the same, and the truth is THAT FZ16 CAN’T EVEN CATCH A CBZ-EXTREME, SO THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH THAT A FZ16 CAN BEAT AN APACHE-FI ON A DRAG RACE.

There are only 2 bikes in india, capable of beating an apache-fi and they are pulsar220 and yamaha r15, while herohonda-karizma and pulsar 200 can keepup with apache-fi.

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Mayank June 25, 2009 at 2:57 am

TVS z nt eligible enuf to b compared to Yamaha..Yamaha and honda are unbeatable..m so glad dat i dint purchased Apache coz da ateention i get on FZ wudnt have been possible in case of Apache wich is just another byk..as far as performance z concerned..i screwed P150 very easily in a road rage..Apache z gud byk bt nt da best..FZ leads all..

In 150 cc there r only 2 types of bikes..One FZ 16 and Two all the others..

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Mayank June 25, 2009 at 3:02 am

Xtreme sucks..i screwed CBZ xtreme too in a race..lolz..nd ya its da rider who drives da byk..so whateva b da top speed or bhp or bla bla..a gud rider with a poor byk wil surely beat a bad rider with a gud byk…

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Mr.Madras June 25, 2009 at 10:26 am

What u said is exactly right….
“gud rider with a poor byk wil surely beat a bad rider with a gud byk”

You have “FZ” so that u r talking abt Beating of

CBZ xtreme,
HUNK,
P150.

If u have “RTR Fi” means u will speak about Beating of

R15,
P220,
KArizma,
P200,
Like that.

My target is alw those bike buddy………

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Mayank June 25, 2009 at 1:34 pm

m just talkin abt da 150 cc section of bykes..leave R15 coz its purely for racing..i like apache too..i was confused between apache and FZ before i purchased FZ16..bt its just dat people trust Yamaha more dan TVS..nd apache z common as compared to FZ..so FZ owners do become the centre of attraction at petrol pumps and all places..apache z common..i dnt know abt performance(it z nic though)..bt the handlin cant b better dan FZ due to flat big rear tyre..it does effects mileage..bt m gettin 43kmpl(not bad)..dat too before 1st service..

FZ accordin 2 me is a better byk coz mostly we drive in city traffic..nd we need handling, nd acceleration and efficient braking..bt dat doesnt mean we need rear disc brake in a 150 or 160cc byk..we r nt racers..FZ z best in city driving..m nt against apache..

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Mayank June 25, 2009 at 1:37 pm

FZ is even lunched in foreign with blue color with a kick start too.. was lukin awesum..y cudnt dese yamaha guys cudnt launch dat color here..

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jak July 1, 2009 at 12:01 pm

RTR FI is meant for those who can take care of their stuffs very much…….yes it requires maintainance but performancewise no match in segement….a ner bike rider will face a lot of problem with that beast but an old and good rider will play it hard..

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roy July 4, 2009 at 1:27 am

someone here mentioned that the fz has fiber fuel tank and engine…the fuel tank is most probably steel with a resin cover for styling..and though i might not have test rode the fz can u make engine out of fiber??? i am an engineer in the making and haven’t come across that.also what point is there comparing two differently powerd bikes (150 and 160)??

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Mayank July 4, 2009 at 3:20 pm

buddy..the fule tank is of fibre bt not the engine…nd v r comparing coz both bikes fall in the same section..150cc and 160cc hardly makes difference…

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roy July 4, 2009 at 9:04 pm

150 and 160 cc hardly makes a difference??wat are you talking about??? also the fuel tank is steel with a fiber cover…they ahd to go for fiber because they couldn’t shape steel in the way the fuel tank is shaped..

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Mayank July 5, 2009 at 4:02 am

buddy m drivin FZ..i know better dan u atleast in case of FZ..FZ is a lighter bike dan other bykes and da tank z covered with fiber..its fuel capacity z nly 12 litres wich seems like much more..i have seen da parts wen removed..if u still think ur da nly intelligent person here, better rush to a nearby yamaha dealer nd ask..if da tank wudnt hav been made of fiber..its fuel capacity wud hav been atleast 15 litres (in case of pulsar nd others)..got dat..

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Mayank July 5, 2009 at 4:04 am

nd v rnt mad here comparing apache nd fz..10cc difference doesnt matter..coz apache has 15 odd ps of torque while FZ has 14..but in case of torque FZ strikes back.. both r of same price range also..

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roy July 5, 2009 at 12:08 pm

make one point clear please…is the tank which holds the petrol fibre or steel…the site says “the steel tank has a fiber covering”…also I am sorry about the engines there is a difference of 6.6 cc in displacement…sorry about dat :P….please tell me about the tank…i am planning to buy one…btw have u considered the fact that the fz is lighter because it is tubeless….thanks man…sorry about the engine :P..shouldn’t have commented without knowing.

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Mayank July 6, 2009 at 1:23 am

buddy the steel of every bike z of steel..FZ also has a steel tank..bt dat tank z covered with fiber material wich v actually see(where FZ sticker has been placed)..got dat ?? u must buy..coz its an awesum byk..due to fiber its lighter in weight..very nice nd smooth byk..Yamaha engine no doubt abt dat !!!

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roy July 6, 2009 at 7:42 am

Cool!! My options are HH Hunk or CBZ-Extereme or the FZ. Which one should I got for? Let me know. Also I don’t stay at home so will be riding the bike once in 1-2 weeks, rest of the time it will be idle. Will that idle period drain the battery and I won’t be able to start the FZ? Thanks again! :)

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Mayank July 6, 2009 at 3:11 pm

buddy dnt compare HH bikes with yamaha FZ 16…FZ z far better..nd it wont affect da battery coz yamaha has givn gud batery so dat no problm occurs in starting da bike(coz kick is absent)…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UrPYD_PiW4

watch dis video and clear ur doubt..

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jak July 6, 2009 at 8:27 pm

hi mayank

as u have taken FZ thatz why u r telling that this is best ………like ur attitude
but fact is littlebit offtrack from this

looks=5/5
pickup=4/5
mileage=3/5
braking=4/5
topspeed=4/5
control=5/5
value for money=3/5

so no one is perfect…….niether u not me and others

so u cant compare any two things in this world

so all bikes have their own advantage and disadvantage

and in this forum we are discussing about FZ 16 anf APACHE FI

so mind it….

performance wise apache is far ahead than FZ…..proven

looks wise FZ is littlebit far than APACHE RTR…..proven

so if u want to go for FZ only 153 cc…………….
or apache rtr 160 fi or 180 rtr……
the price is almost same and the money is urs

here the performance matters more than looks
thatz why yamaha RX 100 was successful

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Mayank July 6, 2009 at 9:39 pm

do u drive ur byk only wen u race..FZ is best in city traffic where most of the drivin is done..coz of its handling and balance..i know dat top speed of apache z far more dan FZ..bt who races all da tym..nd maintenance ?? TVS bike need maintenance more dan FZ..dats y i chose FZ..nd m nt saying m da best..well m waitin for rtr200..dnt knw wen wil it b launchd..the new FAZER really sucks..nd also waitin for discover 150…

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pravin July 7, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Mayank: do u drive ur byk only wen u race..FZ is best in city traffic where most of the drivin is done..coz of its handling and balance..i know dat top speed of apache z far more dan FZ..bt who races all da tym..nd maintenance ?? TVS bike need maintenance more dan FZ..dats y i chose FZ..nd m nt saying m da best..well m waitin for rtr200..dnt knw wen wil it b launchd..the new FAZER really sucks..nd also waitin for discover 150…

HI Mayank,

I have an apache-FI. You really spoke like a gentle man. Every word of yours in this comment is true and I do accept it even though I am an apache-fi owner. Apache-fi is fast and very fast, but FZ is very good for city riding.

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pravin July 7, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Both the bikes have good and bad, so the

Mayank: buddy dnt compare HH bikes with yamaha FZ 16…FZ z far better..nd it wont affect da battery coz yamaha has givn gud batery so dat no problm occurs in starting da bike(coz kick is absent)…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UrPYD_PiW4watch dis video and clear ur doubt..

Hi again.
I believe that comparing Hunk with FZ is a fair comparison, because hunk has great pickup, good look, decent mileage, right pricing and its Engine was made by the worlds no1 Motorcycle company(HONDA).

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amit July 7, 2009 at 10:54 pm

pravin: Both the bikes have good and bad, so the Hi again.I believe that comparing Hunk with FZ is a fair comparison, because hunk has great pickup, good look, decent mileage, right pricing and its Engine was made by the worlds no1 Motorcycle company(HONDA).

HI PRAVIN,
I TRULT AGREE TO YOUR COMMENTS THAT HH AND FZ CAN BE COMPARED AS HH HAS A BETTER PICK UP THAN FZ ND LOOKS WISE THE NEW SPECIAL EDITION LOOKS AS GORGIOUS AS THE FZ ND PRICING IS REALLY GOOD ND ALSO THE ENGINE IS VERY REFINED WITH THE RIDE QUALITY MATCHING THAT OF THE FZ BCOZ OF THE GRS SYSTEM. GUYS I OWN A FZ ND NOW PLANNING TO ADD ANOTHER ONE TO MY STABLE ND IT IS D HEROHONDA HUNK(SPECIAL EDITION). AS SOON AS I GET MY HANDS ON IT I WILL WRITE A REVIEW COMPARING MY EXPERIENCES ABOUT BOTH THE MACHINES.

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Mayank July 7, 2009 at 11:44 pm

Dats hero honda not HONDA..Honda and hero honda r nt @ all same..where do u live buddy ??? do dat city have showrooms ?? go and visit..and hear da voice of hero honda engine and a HONDA engine..u will feel da difference…And Hunk z heavier in weight and has 14 bhp same as FZ…and FZ has light weight body and killlller luks…

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Biggie July 8, 2009 at 7:07 pm

I have ridden both bikes extensively. I prefer the RTR over FZ16 on anyday. The FZ16 is the worst bike. If it was not for the media it would never sell. I know so many people who both the FZ16 but sold it on the next month. The RTR is the best in its class. It have good performance, handling and the price is right. Nobody in his right mind should buy the FZs

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pravin July 9, 2009 at 1:21 am

Mayank: Dats hero honda not HONDA..Honda and hero honda r nt @ all same..where do u live buddy ??? do dat city have showrooms ?? go and visit..and hear da voice of hero honda engine and a HONDA engine..u will feel da difference…And Hunk z heavier in weight and has 14 bhp same as FZ…and FZ has light weight body and killlller luks…

Hello buddy, I thought you are wise, but it seems like you are biased towards fz’s. Herohonda Hunk and CBZ-Extreme both have the same engine as that of Honda-Unicorn, borrowed from Honda. Hope that you can understand english, and I believe that I have made my self clear. If you know how to browse the Internet, then check it up and you will find that Herohonda-hunk’s engine was designed by HONDA, and it is one of the most refined engine in india.

Just because u own an FZ’s doesn’t make it a better bike than apache-fi. In a Drag race, my apache fi will reach 130+kmph while your fz’s would have hardly touched 100kmph. I have personally reached 125kmph in my apache-fi within a short stretch of approximately 600metres, and I have also done 0 to 60kmph in 3.9seconds. Fz’s can’t even dream of these figures. so “Mr.Mayank”, do calm down.

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pravin July 9, 2009 at 1:39 am

Mayank: nd v rnt mad here comparing apache nd fz..10cc difference doesnt matter..coz apache has 15 odd ps of torque while FZ has 14..but in case of torque FZ strikes back.. both r of same price range also..

who told you that apache-fi produces 15bhp???? IT actually produces 15.7BHP, and fz’s produces only 14ps (1ps = 0.9863BHP), which will make the output of fz’s to 13.8BHP.
So there is an actual difference of 1.9BHP between apache-fi and fz’s.
Even Herohonda Hunk produces 14.4ps, which is equal to 14.2Bhp, so there is a 0.4BHP difference between Hunk and FZ’s, so even Hunk can beat FZ’s in Pickup and top speed, and Engine quality(Honda engine), Mileage, etc. So the only area where Fz’s leads is in look. The Legendary Rx100 did not succeed due to look, but because it performed well.

(a sincere advice to mr. Mayank : PLEASE WIPE YOUR BACK BEFORE COMMENTING ON OTHERS CLEANLINESS)

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pravin July 9, 2009 at 1:53 am

Mayank: nd v rnt mad here comparing apache nd fz..10cc difference doesnt matter..coz apache has 15 odd ps of torque while FZ has 14..but in case of torque FZ strikes back.. both r of same price range also..

Also try to learn the units. (15 odd ps of torque) what does it mean??? TORQUE COMES ONLY IN “nm” UNITS, AND POWER COMES IN (bhp AND ps)UNITS.
so first learn the basics of motor cycles before commenting on one.
If you want any help in learning then ask me. And for now( The rolling part of the motorcycle, which is made of rubber, which touches the asphalt is called TYRE). If you want any more tips, then feel free to ask me.

A small request to other bloggers : PLEASE TEACH SCHOOL KIDS LIKE “Mayank” THE BASICK OF MOTORCYCLE. It’s my humble request.

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Mayank July 9, 2009 at 8:14 am

((.coz apache has 15 odd ps of torque while FZ has 14..but in case of torque FZ strikes back.))
I WROTE DIS AND ITS CLEAR DAT I USED ps BA MISTAKE AND I WROTE IN MA NXT LINE DAT fz STRIKES BAK WITH TORQUE..

i was writin bhp there..nd u thnk m a skul kiddo.. hw many times i hav 2 tel dat most of da drivin z in city traffic.. hw many tymes do v race /??? do u race evry tyme u go drivin ??.. u guys talk abt drag race and 130 kmph..i also know apache z gud in top speed and FZ cant win race with apache ..i knew dis evn before purchasin..m just saying handling z far better in FZ.. and wht da hel hapnd 2 u ?? m speaking calmly and u agreed till now.. wht hapz now ?? 4get ur manners dat ur parents taught do u want me 2 do dat 4 u ?? m nt promoting FZ here..every bike z gud and bad in sum or da othr ways..Apache z great in performance bt nt ahead in handling and luks..nd as far as RX100 z concernd..y dnt people nuy it now ?? obviously coz people didnt cared abt luks 10 years ago..

nd better mind ur language coz i dnt wana open ma dictionary..m nt here to fyte..got dat.. ND YA PLZ ANSWER DAT DO V RACE EVRY TYM WE GO DRIVIN ??? STOP TALKIN ABT TOP SPEED THNG..

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pravin July 10, 2009 at 2:42 am

Mayank: ((.coz apache has 15 odd ps of torque while FZ has 14..but in case of torque FZ strikes back.))
I WROTE DIS AND ITS CLEAR DAT I USED ps BA MISTAKE AND I WROTE IN MA NXT LINE DAT fz STRIKES BAK WITH TORQUE..i was writin bhp there..nd u thnk m a skul kiddo.. hw many times i hav 2 tel dat most of da drivin z in city traffic.. hw many tymes do v race /??? do u race evry tyme u go drivin ??.. u guys talk abt drag race and 130 kmph..i also know apache z gud in top speed and FZ cant win race with apache ..i knew dis evn before purchasin..m just saying handling z far better in FZ.. and wht da hel hapnd 2 u ??m speaking calmly and u agreed till now.. wht hapz now ?? 4get ur manners dat ur parents taught do u want me 2 do dat 4 u ?? m nt promoting FZ here..every bike z gud and bad in sum or da othr ways..Apache z great in performance bt nt ahead in handling and luks..nd as far as RX100 z concernd..y dnt people nuy it now ?? obviously coz people didnt cared abt luks 10 years ago..
nd better mind ur language coz i dnt wana open ma dictionary..m nt here to fyte..got dat.. ND YA PLZ ANSWER DAT DO V RACE EVRY TYM WE GO DRIVIN ??? STOP TALKIN ABT TOP SPEED THNG..

I am not here to criticize you of make fun of you, but you should learn that bikes like herohonda Hunk are not poor either.

In your previous comment, you criticized me with words like (“Dats hero honda not HONDA..Honda and hero honda r nt @ all same..where do u live buddy ??? do dat city have showrooms ?? go and visit..and hear da voice of hero honda engine and a HONDA engine..u will feel da difference…”).

You thought I am a novice to motorcycles?? DO YOU THINK THAT I DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “HONDA AND HEROHONDA”? Do you think that I am living in caves? I know much much more than what you know about Motorcycles, both technically and non-tech.

Stop underestimating others, and to make you do that, I had to be a bit harsh on you. Sorry if I had hurt you.

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Elan July 12, 2009 at 6:10 pm

Hi Guys.!

I’m d big fan of YAMAHA. Presently i hav 100CC-Crux s-2005 Mdl & I had bought at July’05. I used 2 ride Avg. of 1200KM/Mnth. Nw my Byk crssd over 55K. I ride over 90KM, W/o stop betwn 70-90KM/h as single. My top speed 98KM so for in this M/c. Till now, I didn’t hav any pbm wit dis M/c (Mech.,Ele.(or) break failure). Nw i pln 2 bought FZ-S.!
Reasons:
1. I Need a pwrful byk frm YAMAHA within 75K
2. Great performance
3. Can fight wit dis category byks
4. Riding Cmfrt
5. Looks gud
6. Gud Brakings
7. Gud Control & Stability even in Higher Speed

My Needs:
1. Cuting-Edge speed
2. Riding in City(Cbe) & also High Way NH47 to Erode
3. Hav 2 carry a travel bag during High Way ride
4. Pinnion Rider with Saree,Chudy & Bages > 50KM some times
5. Mileage Btwn 40-50KM
6. Re-Sale value too.

Also clarify,
1. Wat’s its displacement: 153 or 148?
2. Bhp 14 or 15?
3. Is any prbs with its Self start?

Plz guide me, FZ-s will meet all my needs.? Reply me witout fail @ elangoa79@yahoo.co.in also..

My Comment abt dis survey: (My Xperience with YAMAHA)
Racing isn’t matter! Coz smoking off with others is depend upon riding skill & dareness. Both byk’s havng unique merits. Its YAMAHA r RTR r any others Safety, Riding Comfrt & performance is accountable.! Mileage & Look differs frm men to men.
All the comments above shows our mind set & confident about our lovable byk brands. We can’t let them..

I accept all d merits & de-merits said by U abt FZ, if it is TRUE ONLY. But Still I LUV YAMAHA..!! It is Trustable at all d time & any where.! It won’t let u truble @ any situation. YAMAHA-All ways Rocks with its Unique, proven Technology..

Elan

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jak July 13, 2009 at 12:31 pm

@ Elan

we can compare these two bykes only in aspect of price

displacement===153.3(Y) 159.6(T)
power==========14PS=(1ps = 0.9863BHP) 15.7

APACHE is obviously faster than FZ(touches 125 within seconds around 14-15)

looks wise FZ beats APACHE(littlebit)
performance wise apache is better than fz

city control is better in FZ than APACHE(littlebit)

these two bikes are made for diffrent purpose

mileage is almost same but some times APACHE pulls more that FZ*****

one is made for pure fun
and another is for pure control

u said that u r a good fan of YAMAHA

try APACHE also if u r a performance lover than definately u will lean toward APACHE RTR(FI)

but u prefers looks go for FZ(a simple machine but great looks)
APACHE (a new age machine with better looks than other;;;only FZ we can say is ahead from this)

at the end of the day the money is urs and decision toooo

u will b happy if u r satisfied

so go ahead

choose
A BETTER CONTROL(FZ)
or
fun with A BEST PERFORMER(APACHE RTR FI*)

better try new APACHE RTR 180 the real beast then u will kno wat is fun and how can u feel the power

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jak July 13, 2009 at 12:35 pm

0-100 in 14-15 secs

and 125 in 18-20 secs

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Elan July 14, 2009 at 1:25 pm

Hi Jak,

It really vry happy 2 see ur + comments. Im vry much confuced btwn FZ & RTR.!?

1. D capital cost.!
2. Mileage.!

& could u clarify 1 more thing, Wat abt pillion rider comfrt in FZ.? My cusion hav RTR 160. I oftn take ride with it. Its truly giv gud performance & no 1 can beat in High ways. I agree.!

I hope ur comments will be vry useful 4 me 2 take a right decission.

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jak July 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm

@Elan

first of all thanks for appreciating my comments….

as u asked about pillion rider then u will get lees space for pillion in FZ but the thickness is almost same…that means its better in APACHR RTR…..

and about mileage both have same

if u will compare the mileage of a 150CC segement in india itz between 40-50+\-2 kmpl…
my roommate is having FZ. his giving 35-40 kmpl
but APACHE RTR can give between 42-48 kmpl

thatz because FZ has a huge rear tyre that cuts the pull performance and also mileage but the control is awesome

and one more thing APACHE RTR vibrates a lot at certain RPM taht is 3500-4200 rpm

but if u will take care of the gear then itz ok…

top speed also gud in apache as name

and about the capital cost

FZ will cost u around 71-73k
and apache will cost u around 65-66k
and the FI version in APACHE will cost u around 73-74k

some people have concerns about the brand

but they forgets that these all are produced in india only
almost same quality>>>>>>nothing is imported from outside
and at this age of competition no one will produce a flop…

FI need a lot of maintainance but carb version is good

and dont think about the resale value;;;;;atleast u will keep ur bike for some years and after that if u will sell it…..

getting 5k bucks more and didnt get the fun of that money(initial investment) is waste na?

so choose ur own path as ur requirement;;;;;;and one more thing take test drive with the vehicle not with showrooms but outside that(take ur frnd’s) and then decide which is best for u……

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husain July 15, 2009 at 12:29 am

hi! ppl i m writing this blog 4 the first time we all know that apache has more power than fz but there is great news 4 all yamaha lovers who are speed fraks yamaha is launching speed kits 4 fz and r15 so be ready 2 smoke up every1 coz its going 2 increase ur power 2 50% so be ready racers 2 smoke every1 up

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Joe Maya August 13, 2009 at 6:23 pm

Haricharan: though it was useful.. I am looking for the answer of missing kick rod for FZ16… and odd head lamp?? is self start enough for it in this winter season?

See, I think there are more brainy ppl sitting yamaha r&d … whom u r pointing out to …
fact is they r more worried than u about this. because its their business to do so … So buddy … fz will start in watever condition u put it to … that’s y there’s no kick

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Mr.Madras August 14, 2009 at 2:11 pm

So many FZ are coming to the service center for this complaint buddy. Don’t try to compromise you self

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Mayank August 15, 2009 at 1:39 am

Blame da owners, not da byk.. coz u hav 2 take care of ur ride evrytym in order to ensure optimum performance.. and yamaha guys hav installed a gud battery.. those r manufacturers.. they know it better dat in absence of kick, self start may fail anytym.. so they hav given stress to dis problm..till now my FZ hasnt created any prob..ya ridin for long is surely a pain in a$$..bt i dnt thnk kick absence wud much create a difference..cars also used to hav a kick once upona tym..hav u seen sumbdy kickin in car in dese modern days ?? atleast i havnt..

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Ajay August 16, 2009 at 3:12 pm

hey guys.. i own an fz..
i seriously love my bike on traffic.. its just amazing to zip thro…the bike feels so gud in the city and specially wen u speed frm 40-90.. it hardly takes any time..a very powerful engine..on the contrary.. its a tough time during the rains.. as maintenance seems very hard… but if ur a bike love.. u d love riding in the rain.. ppl talk abt the mudguard.. but.. it completely spoils the naked look of the FZ.. a main problem i face is riding fr long hours on the highway.. u tend to get bored.. and the engine tires down..also.. in a hot city like chennai.. u feel rely irritated riding fr 45 mins continuous..as i tend to get rashes in my thighs… its rely annoying.. other than this .. no regrets!… love my bike

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nitin September 2, 2009 at 12:21 pm

hii friends,

apache clearly overrules fz16 in top speed,acceleration but i think the two bikes are meant for two different purposes.for speed its apache and for looks with decent displacement its fz16..this we can clearly observe even in their advertisements..we are comparing them only because of same price range otherwise they are two different bikes designed for different purposes.

go for apache if u want the adrenaline rush primarily and for looks and good handling go for fz16..thats what my view on these bikes…please dont bother about mileage for these bikes..40-45kmpl is decent and both these bikes are in this average.

HAVE A SAFE RIDING.

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viv September 19, 2009 at 10:00 pm

i dont know why every one calls this tvs apache rtr 160 fi a “mean machine” it is a “snail machine”..

Im new to this forum.. i own a tvs apache rtr 160 fi upto my latest 2nd service last week..i really dont feel the so-called RTR.. its acceleration is too low..even a HH passion beats me when signal goes green..i really dont know what to do.. i cant take this FI engine to an ordinary mechanic..im beginning to feel that im cheated by TVS..even if i tell the TVS guys to increase acc. by tuning, i just get the same thing..15.7ps is a pure lie.. the petrol gets used up in such a way that it beats a FZ or P150.. but even if i give the full throttle, it is not at all accelerating faster than a 100cc bike and the max. speed i reached on the chennai-bangalore highway is just 106km/hr..
and my weight is 85kg and if take a well grown adult with me the bike is just a turtle..i dont know if anyone else has this problem..

Someone who knows how to rectify this problem please give me ideas to increase the acc.. i love this bike as it is my first bike..

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NIXON September 21, 2009 at 5:56 pm

pl advice me this Fz16 can carry a pillion rider as the seat design seems to carry only the rider.

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Guneet September 21, 2009 at 9:00 pm

ok.. here the results of the tests i have done on ma fz owned a 16 of june 2009…
on straight drag( lil long one) i screwed…-
1. Pulsar 150
2. Pulsar 180 new one…
3. CBZ xtreme
5. Apache RTR 160
i even covered up the distance between me n karizma on the road with lil simple turns(hardly 2 or 3 soft turns)… from 500 feet or above till almost 0 when he suddenly took a turn after the distance of around 10 feets… it gave me a top speed of 118-120 kmph which is enuf for a 150cc rig bike dudes.. the following facts appeared as per ma experience-
1. it doesnt matter whether its havin 14 bhp but its too lite dat it doesnt make any difference with other 150s of 180s..
2. its havin a powerful engine which can pull a heavy tyre n then also never let u down with a pillion rider also..
3. its basically a “covering up” byk.. it cover up really very impressively in long races.. but not so good for short races as its gear n speed ratio is jus like as follows-
- 1st gear is strong which gives a nice grunt which results in a nice pick-up…
- 2nd n 3 rd gears are lil weak which can result the opponent to go lil ahead then urs byke
- on the other hand.. i always get nice grunty boost in 4rth n 5fth gear.. which results the game winner for me.. so congo guys.. it got the power of 180 segment byks.. dats y its mileage is also as same as the onze of 180s…. n self-start is not a big issue guys.. cumon guys.. all sports bike also ain’t have any kick stuff n all.. n also i knw dat FI technology rocks n it can screw fz coz of dat …bt guys m TOTALLY SATISFIED with ma babes as it got style, grunt dat v all need… i dun knw y ppl always underestimate fz… but i m saying dat m a PROUD OWNER OF FZ.. than0k u guys… plzz comment if ma statement cud help u..!!! :)..!!

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jak September 22, 2009 at 10:34 am

@VIV

I too own an apache FI… but there is no prob in drag..150cc segements are like a difrnc between 150 and 125 cc’s
so get ur vehicle tuned in front of u. If u want a great drag then u have to maintain proper gear speed ratio
u wont believe recently i went upto 121 kmph with a pillion of around 78 kg n i m 74 kg (appx 150kg)
if u want to draw a drag from this mill then try this

1 gear == 25 kmph +/- 5
2 == 45 kmph +/- 5
3 == 60 kmph +/- 5
4 == 80 kmph +/- 5
5 == upto ur wish

i dragged my FI at 105kmph on 4th gear and when i was on 121 kmph is was asking for more but the road was not clear

and FI needs xtrapremium or speed or shell
use this and feel the diffrence

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narendra September 22, 2009 at 8:30 pm

hay guys…plz help me out…
i want to buy a bike 4 myself..i am confused wather to but TVS APACHE RTR FI or PULSAR 150cc or YAMAHA FZ,
which one id the best in case of milage , style,comfort.handling, maintainance.power.
help me out…

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jak September 22, 2009 at 9:24 pm

he Narendra

see if u will go thru this forum then u will find that both these bikes are made for different purpose

u have to decide whether u want a serious style and a best city commuter like FZ
or u want a powerful performer still with great styling
or u want to be in crowd with pulsar

Pulsar is good but the comparison of pulsar here is not a good idea
because of its common model and styling and cost also

if u want a good bike in 150 CC segement and dont want the feel of ur machine then go for it
u will get a good mileage from it but only for two three years and stability wise it is good but not as compared with The Two leaders today FZ and APACHE FI

here are some facts about these three bikes
PULSAR——-FZ/FZs———APACHE FI

displacement 149 153 159
power(BHP) 13.8 13.9 15.7
mileage KMPL 50-55 37-42 45-50

stability & control 6/10 9/10 8/10

accn 0-60 kmph 6 secs 5 secs 4.7(4.2*)

top speed 110 115-120 120

price 66-69k 73-75k 73k

i think these much info is good enough for ur decision

if u want a great power with finest accn and top speed with razor sharp braking and better fuel efficiency but vibrations at 4500-5500 rpm GO FOR APACHE FI

if u r interested in serious styling and great control and bothered about mileage go for FZ

and if u are interested in OK OK performance and simple styling and mileage lover go for PULSAR

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narendra September 23, 2009 at 9:23 am

thank u sir…thanks a lot….
i hav booked TVS APACHE RTR FI 160 it is costing 71 In delhi orange colour…..
as this is my first motoecycle i dont know much about rtr could u please tell me about fuel injection technology…..
some one told me dat the fuel injection gets defected.very early..is it so….and byk dosnt run on low fuel….and the milage remains same from begining to end in rtr fi….and what r the precautions should be adopted in early days…and starting mai kitne kms tak kitne km/hr ki speed par byk chalani chaye?
sir kys teflon coating karane se byk mai koi fark to nahi padta hai?
how to maintain byk?

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Mr.Madras September 23, 2009 at 1:49 pm

FI is too good for Engine. Fuel injection will give a refined engine… I love my RTR FI.
Once u feel that FI acceleration response after that u don’t like corborater version..

But
FI needs SPEED or POWER petrol.
For better refinement you have to maintain 3 liters (I ride the last drop itself but It will lost the smoothness in lower RPM)
It needs Maintenance. It won’t bite your pocket but you should keep ur eyes on it.

RTR 160 is almost same but the Refinement, Performance, TOP Speed, And Mileage is bit low

Better you may go with RTR160 Refresh…Low maintenance. Low price too
For beating of Pulsar and FZ Refresh is much enough… :-P

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jak September 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm

@Narendra

First of all congratts for being an APACHEian
RTR is racing Throttle response which delivers quick responce than other bikes with same segement due to its short stroke oversquared engine which is responsible for its high pickup than others…

FI is fuel injection::: previously this tech was using in cars only, slowly slowly it came into bykes and now in low cc bikes also
this technology help in the better fuel intake to the combustion chamber
if we will talk about APACHE to there is a microprocesser of DELPHI under ur seat which is the heart of this FI system. it is connected with five sencors which sences the engine temp. throttle position ,oil temp, and two more things i m not sure about that and after making a calculation the mouth of fuel injector opens and the combustion chamber takes the only fuel which is required for it. there is no carburettor in it, directly mixture of fuel and air goes into the chamber that makes the better fuel efficiency and faster response to throttle to any other bikes thats why it is costly by 7000..
every thing is computerised like a modern machine. for tuning also u have to connect with it a computer to chk the performance…
rahi baat practicle personal xperience ki to

I m using this FI oraNGE since feb 2008..
and who says that FI technology is not long lasting is a biggest fool…nowdays everybike is using FI.so dont worry
the only problem in FI that u have to maintain it properly…and if u love ur bike u will definately do it…hai na?

who says that it doesnot run at low petrol is again the biggest fool
the fact is that u have to maintain at least # ltrs of petrol for its best performance otherwise it will run in 100 ml petrol also (at starting from the showroom no one gives u the # ltr of petrol still ur bike goes smoothly to the nearest petrol pump with that 100 ml of petrol… isn’t it

by first 500 km or before first service u have to maintain ur speed not more that 45-50 kmph and after that till 1000 km u have to keep it to 80 kmph( but i screwed it to 113 kmph next day afer completing first service) during this make a long trip in which there sud b a contineous run of around 50 kms.
after that the beast is urs screw it as u like

teflon coating is for ur bikes paints saftey it will not effect ur bikes performence fot it u have to pay 250 xtra…u can use it as ur wish it will not make too much effect.

and one most important thing is that u have to spend 2-3 Rs. per ltr means if u use xtra pre or speed or shell than u will get best performance and mileage too…and u will be safe from fuel blocking problem. since i owned it m using high performance petrol only

dekho spending 2-3 rs xtra and getting 2 KMS xtra mileage and better performane is not a ghate ka sauda
baat barabar hai

so go get the future’s technology

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narendra singh September 23, 2009 at 6:07 pm

i hav booked TVS APACHE RTR FI 160 it is costing 71 In delhi orange colour…..
as this is my first motoecycle i dont know much about rtr could u please tell me about fuel injection technology…..
some one told me dat the fuel injection gets defected.very early..is it so….and byk dosnt run on low fuel….and the milage remains same from begining to end in rtr fi….and what r the precautions should be adopted in early days…and starting mai kitne kms tak kitne km/hr ki speed par byk chalani chaye?
sir kya teflon coating karane se byk mai koi fark to nahi padta hai?
how to maintain byk?

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adisim September 24, 2009 at 12:25 pm

fzs is best

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jak September 25, 2009 at 12:06 pm

@Adisim

okay fine
now u r happi na?

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viv September 26, 2009 at 2:57 pm

hello narendra

so you are telling me to stay along with the guys who are tuning my bike? and should i tell them about the gear ratio thing which u have mentioned? what is your bike’s mileage?
i tuned it the day i wrote my comment previously. i felt the acceleration is little better than before. but it is still not having a uniform acc. do u have this same problem too?
i read a comment previously, that a apache fi owner tuned his bike 15 times to get a good pick up, top speed and a good mileage, even though it is free to tune in the service center?

please answer my doubts….thank you…

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viv September 26, 2009 at 4:08 pm

SORRY I DID NOT NOTICE THE NAME….TO Mr. JAK

hello jak

so you are telling me to stay along with the guys who are tuning my bike? and should i tell them about the gear ratio thing which u have mentioned? what is your bike’s mileage?
i tuned it the day i wrote my comment previously. i felt the acceleration is little better than before. but it is still not having a uniform acc. do u have this same problem too?
i read a comment previously, that a apache fi owner tuned his bike 15 times to get a good pick up, top speed and a good mileage, even though it is free to tune in the service center?

please answer my doubts….thank you…

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jak September 27, 2009 at 2:36 pm

@ Viv

see i have mentioned here the gear ratio for the xtreme performance of our apache. u need not to do it everytime but if u want to feel some thrill then other wise u can maintain ur desired gear ratio….
one more thing i want to tell that did u ever try someone’s apache fi.. if yes and u still felt that ur bike is not performing well thaen u bike needs a complete chkup in front of u…..

HERE I WANT TO TELL U ALL A GREAT AND MUST READ STORY FOR EVERY VEHICLE OWNER DOSN”T MATTER WHICH…

i bought my apache fi from PRABHA TVS, ashok nagar,, chennai

previously i had a huge problem with the mileage with my bike then after a very frequent visit to service station…they were telling that everything is fine with ur bike… again the same problem when i full the petrol tank mileage dips to 20 kmpl due to heavy 16 ltr pressure at the bottom of that tank and it was a major problem the service center man was also unable to understand wat was the problem…

but one day i decided to take a decision i wrote a mail to tvs support about this problem they replied me on the very next day and they call me to the service center…
this time i told them i want to c wat went wrong with my bike
firstly they checked every thing again every thing was fine but they were bare to find out the problem….
finally one of the serviceman decided to open the potrol tank and u know what…
when he completely removed the fuel tank they found that there was a leakage from the fuel outlet pipe it was from starting they changed the pipe and rectified it

now every time my bike is giving minimum 45 kmpl and even some times 55kmpl this is awesome…

as i told u i m using only high performance petrol since the first time but one day i filled my petrol tank with normal petrol to chk the performance difference….

i felt a huge difference
as the fuel injection system system is multijet and the technology is arrived from high performance vehicle so it creates the dip in pickup due to the fuel blockage to that injection system

so for better performance and good mileage i will recommend high performance petrol
as i told here that i touched 121 with a pillion(total wt 150 kg) and it was asking for more but the road was not clear

and as i also read somewhere in the blog that he tuned his bike 15 times to get that best performance
m not sure about that… and if it lik that u can also do that
after all u have paid 74 k for this machine so its ur right to go again and again and get it maintained….

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jak September 27, 2009 at 2:40 pm

and yes my bike is now very smooth
except that vibration problem between 4500 to 5500 rpm
dosn’t matter the speed..

for any clarification fell free to contact me in this blog…..
i m regular user of this blog..

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narendra September 28, 2009 at 7:24 pm

thank u “JAK” sir for advicing me…..
some more things i want to ask u..
after reading the say comments some budy says dat tvs tyres sucks.n dosnt hav a gud grip on smoother roads is it so??
2 plz give me some tips for maintaining RTR fi byk…
3 what things should noticed while delivering the byk from showroom???
4 why does RTR fi vibrate between 4500 to 5500??

thanking u….

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jak September 28, 2009 at 9:48 pm

@NARENDRA

first of all call me by my name javed not sir

i cant say more about the tyre grip bcoz i didnt switch my bike’s tyre from TVS to MRF
so m not sure about that but as per my xperience i didnt feel any difficulty in driving

as if u will see both tyre at a time TVS tyre has better grip which covers the whole tyre
but at the same time u will find in MRF that the outermost radial surface is lacking grip its almost smooth at the end which contacts with road…..
it can be a psychology also that MRF is better or it may b true
but still i cant say about the grip

about maintaining the FI mill i have already told so many thing about that if u will go through that u will find it
first thing u have to b sure that u are using high performance good petrol only

its nothing like to take care of ur bike while delivery
they will take care of it ask them for a buzzer for free
and everything is included in onroad price so dont worry about that,,,, u have to take ur machine in every 3-4 months or 2500 to 3000 km
and there is a service indicator also so keep eye on that
if u will c in tachometer there is a red indicator which shows the fuel pipe it sud be surely off if ur bike is in running condition… before starting it sud be on when engine kill switch is on….if it still on after start of engine then immediately rush to ur service station…..

and the vibration problem is the gifted problem to all apache rtr hahahahaha

but dont worry itz becuase of itz powerful mill
and it occours only between 4500-5500 rpm only
that means on fifth gear between 60-70 kmph
at 4500 rpm

1 gear is 0-15 kmph
2 25 kmph
3 35 kmph
4 45 kmph
5 55 kmph

chk it out

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jak September 29, 2009 at 11:09 am

sorry it is at 4000 rpm

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Chetan October 6, 2009 at 5:57 pm

To Jak

I m planing to buy apache rtr 180 but i m concerned about vibrations, are they still there in A180?
is there any way to reduce them?

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jak October 7, 2009 at 11:33 am

@ Chetan

Thats better to own APACHE 180 because its best power to weight ratio in itz segement…
if u will drive it u will fell like u are driving some 200+ cc bike….i have personal xp on that…..and so all witha a decent mileage of 40+++

and if we will talk abo vibes then they are still there in rtr 180 but dont worry it reduced to a huge xtent compared to 160 ….U will not feel that itz only b\n 60-70 kmph itz almost nill….

u can easily reach to 60kmph u will not kno that…

the white color is xclusive in this 180 seg.
itz look lik white stallion…

the great 17.3 bhp will not let u down anyhow…

its also far better than p-180

p-180 has big uncomfortable turning radius
noisy engine
poor mileage

only look wise its is very little bit up than apache
but overall apache is better or we can say best in seg

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Chetan October 7, 2009 at 5:41 pm

jak
Thank u very much for ur response.
I have taken the test drive of new P180. it’s very smooth & good byk, but its very common, so i m not going for that one!!!!!
Today i m going for back to back test drives of A180 & fz 16
& then i wil decide which one to buy!!!!
Though i m more inclind towards A180 because i want performance bike.
if i dont feel vibs today in test ride i wil book A180 tommorow itself!!!!
Cheers!!!!!

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Highspeed High October 10, 2009 at 7:28 am

What the heck. You know, if someone says that he rode both RTR and FZ and thinks FZ *rocks* far more, then simply he has no intention of buying a better performing sports bike. Such a person likes and also suits only a power lacking, 9-to-5, carry-wife-and-kids bike with a sporty cladding that tries to camouflage the utilitarian machine as a sports performer. And that’s pathetic.

What man, how can you be satisfied with the unexciting powerless engine of FZ and claim it to be okay in comparison with RTR whose engine literally rips you off on a take off whenever you twist the accelerator?

Oh, and btw, do this thing: Knock with your fingers on the petrol tank of RTR. Now do this on the FZ’s petrol tank too. What do you find? :D Hehe….. FZ’s cladding is made of fibre glass !! LOL….. metal is the soul of making a motorcycle….. when you put heavy tyres as there are in FZ, you are bound to act stupid in trying to make it light elsewhere and end up putting fibre glass instead of metal. Last I checked, only the little scooterettes for schoolgirls had fibre glass bodies !

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atri October 10, 2009 at 8:28 am

@highspeed high – what are you talking about?????

First of all FZ and Apache are made for different reasons.. the FZ is for city riding and has lots of low end grunt the apache is for overall highway riding and stuff…. you think you can take corners on your apache as fast as the FZ can…. we don’t buy motorcycles for drag racing only you ass ….!!!!

1. FZ body panels are made of plastic do you how costly fiber glass is?? do you have any idea at all.. they make very costly speed boats from that.

2. FZ tyres might be bigger but they are not that much heavier than the Apache tyres because they are tubeless.. i will see how you cope with a tyre puncture at 2′o clock in the night..whereas an FZ can go atleast 40 km after a tyre puncture…. your tyres are not even tuff-up let alone tubeless

3. I would like to see you carry your wife and kid on that rear seat of FZ where even a man has a tough time sitting.

4. The FZ engine is powerless??? have you even ridden an FZ the low down torque gives it a very sporty ride and good acceleration. I think you are just 5ft because the FZ is too small for anyone above that. Be happy with the vibrations you get at 4000-4500 rpm .. bottomline is apache has a good hearty engine apart from that it can’t stand up to the FZ.

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jak October 11, 2009 at 1:57 pm

there is no need to fight with these two bykes
first of all u take a 150 cc bike for the fun riding
first thing comes into mind wid this factor only

and a mileage of about 50 km a ltr

comfort is the second thing after that

otherwise karizma is best for city cruising

and U can take a puntured tyre only to 10-12 kms

and it is very difficult to find it puntured till it becomes totally flat and that the hectic time for u

comfort is good in FZ but itz not a true value for money

but if we say 73-74k for an advanced engine then it seems ti b a gud deal

only style dont make u a hero

STYLE with a BOLD HEART

so both the bikes are made for diffrent purpose

U cant get a awesome thrust from FZ
and cant get a better handlng with A FI

if u want thrill go for AFI
and comfort and style go for FZ

choose ur own way and have a safe comfortable thrilling ride

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atri October 11, 2009 at 2:40 pm

@jak

don’t bring in the Karizma in this comparison it is one of the best bikes india has ever produced….and just like I said these bikes have been made for completely different purposes…

u can get good thrust from FZ but only till 80 then it limps all they way to a bit over 100 where it fizzes out…the apache definitely has better thrust but bad handling…

and i dont think the apache engine is better it has more power because it is made like that…what about the vibrations which good engine has vibrations?? and is its gearbox better than FZ’s???

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jak October 12, 2009 at 10:44 am

all APACHEians are agree with the fact that it vibrates on 4500 to 5500 rpm
but if we will compare other features then this is almost negligible

the great streamline body and sitting position which gives u full comfort at high speeds
and all 15.7 bhp with a decent mileage of 50-55 kmpl
every thing regarding engine is mechanized by a five point sensor(totally computerized)
which provides u a xtra smooth ride
the finest digital console ever in INDIA till now
easily controllable at speed above 80 kmph with the rear and largest front petal disc in segment
clip on handle bar
top speed of over 120 which is reachable in seconds
best sound from silencer in its class

what else u want in 73-74 grands

and still u are behind that negligible vibration which can be avoided if using the proper gear ratio

and if u talk about the gearbox
then this is my bet that my bikes has a very smooth gear box i cant say about other’
itz been 1 year and 10000 kms still so smooth gear box
if we will compare to the FZ then many times means more than 60/100 times it beats him

itz all about proper maintanance

yes it is not as stylish as FZ but it has itz own style and benefits which FZ dosnt have

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VIV October 12, 2009 at 5:49 pm

hello javed

i gave my bike(FI) for tuning and after i got the bike i emptied my petrol tank and i started to use premium petrol.. then recently i tested the mileage it gave 40kmpl and the pick up was not good as i told u already.. i thought fi gave 50kmpl..since it is a fi tech it must give more mileage..you know my cousin’s carb. rtr gives him 56kmpl and an awesome pickup and top speed..he touched 126kmph on the omr chennai road.. are there some bikes which have these “neither this nor that”(topspeed nor mileage) problem? and i got that particular bike?

please tell me what to do and to which tvs service center in chennai should i ask according to you.. at the higher end of a gear, say 3rd gear it starts to do something like choking(dip in power) i keep my accelerator raised in 3rd gear and the engine starts to do something like as though there is no petrol.. but u see i always maintain 3L of petrol.. and this rpm gauge has some problem the pointer sometimes stands ahead or behind the zero line and its so stupid when the service guys say that its not a problem the bike will run.. is that an answer javed? once it happened they did not rectify the problem instead they changed it based on warranty.. they dont know how to rectify any problem even if it is of FI problem.. goodwill annanagar.. to scared to take my bike to those fellows..

please answer..

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jak October 12, 2009 at 8:28 pm

@VIV

first of all thanks for asking me……
i cant say whether u will get it rectified or not but i want to share u some xperience

priviously i had the same problem like fuel blocking and tachometer problem

the chocking problem was due to the particles which comes in the way of injector and combustion chamber as we all kno

but once i switched to xtra premium-speed-super unlded shell
this problem got rectified
u sud tell them strictly to clean the injector and b in front while servicing if possible…i always use to do that

while taking petrol u should always choose a bz petrol pump’
and regarding that tachometer problem i donno how they rectified it….but after their rectification still sometimes(1/100) i m gettin that problem but after reinserting the keys it again comes to zero
this happens due to over ripping the accn at heigher rpm’s if i am not wrong

regarding mileage if u will read my above commenton September 27, 2009 at 2:36 pm u will find that i was struggling with a serious issue it can happen to anyone anybrand

so u can also check that

regarding pickup:::: is the pickup is realy low to a great xtent???

i m getting 45++ kmpl
many times i use to go beyond 100 kmph and ripping the wrist also

i bought it from prabha tvs,ashok nagar,

my suggestion is that plz find some time and go to the service station and tell them the problem(i kno u already asked them so many times but still)
and ask them u wanna see the servicing of ur bike

after all itz ur asset and its ur right to do anything with that and also watz goin with that so why to ignore it

hope this will help u

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Pankaj October 15, 2009 at 4:36 am

hi all,

I was really very happy with my byke rtr fi for few months , i was glad dat i made a good decision but this feeling of my lasted only till my first service.
gear lever gets stuck inbetween 2nd and neutral and the vehicle moves on second gear, this was reported to the service centre at the first service.
They tune the vehicle and the vehicle moves fine for few days and again the same problem.
vehicle started to switch off when the rpm goes low, again reported tunned and later after few days same problem.
mileage before second service was 60 kmpl ( believe me ) after that 35-40 kmpl
pickup is not the same i feel like i am running a lesser cc and lesser bhp vehicle, vehicle chockes .
for the gear issue they did a warranty replacement of the clutch plates they say then too same issue,,,
also after i took the byke from teh service centre after warranty replacement the byke was fine , gear was awesome and pickup was ok-ok.
but later i saw a dent on the tank, and this has happened when the vehicle was in the service centre……

i npw have emailed tvs about my issues…
and they have replied to it….
please go through it and i will keep you updated…
i am sure few of them have the same issues….. please let your frnds know about it so that they can take the best decision……..

——————————————————————
Dear Mr. Singh,

Thank you for contacting us. We regret the inconvenience caused. It would be of immense help if you could give us additional information on the following for our reference-

1) The Vehicle registration number.
2) The TVS dealer through whom the vehicle was purchased.

The above information would help us to help you better.

With Warm Regards
Helpdesk @TVS Motor Company
—– Original Message —–
From: Pankaj Kumar Singh
To: response@tvsmotor.in
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:25 PM
Subject: TVS Motor Company : Contact Us

Mail Sent By Pankaj Kumar Singh.

Regarding Service Support

Name Pankaj Kumar Singh
Vehicle Owned TVS Apache
Service Dealer Rania Motors
Purchase Date 14/03/2009
City 89
Email pankaj_k_singh@dell.com

Phone No 9886359820
Address c/o Dinesh Kumar no 17, Sri Venkateshwara Nilayam, Raghavendra Layout, Behind Christ the king School, kaudenahalli,R.M.Nagar, B’lore-16
message Hi, I have an ongoing problem with rtr fi, which has been reported to ur service centre from my first service, 1 ) rtr fi gear problems if i reduce the gear from 3rd to 2nd the lever locks down between neutral and 2nd and the byke continues to move on 2nd and i have to shift the lever up to 2nd and then change further. 2) byke turns off , even while running, if the rpm dips from above 5000 to 3500-4000 3) mileage is pathetic 35-40kmpl 4) pickup and power is bad drop in power when on 3rd gear all these has been reported to your service centre on every service they do some tunning , byke runs good for few days and then back to the same problem, they did a warranty replacement then too i have the same issue, the byke is less than a year and i have been running back and forth ur service centre and every time i have to leave my byke for a day or two, i am not happy with the byke which costs me soo high with less performance. The byke does not deliver what yo have advertised it is not a good deal for the money we invest I could have added few more thousands and got a karizma which gives me around the same mileage and better performance.. please look into the issue and do something about it.

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B.Vignesh October 17, 2009 at 10:53 am

The best bike is apache rtr. its look was very beautiful.Comparing to yamaha fz16 it is a dawn.It is a very stunning performance bike

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viv October 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm

hello javed

pankaj has the same problem which i got. i dont know how u r not having the problem which everyone has with rtr fi 160, r u a dealer of tvs trying to promote a failure model.???

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jak October 19, 2009 at 3:41 pm

hey VIV
I can understand ur situation at this time
m not in oppose of u
M here in this blog to discuss the problems and finding solution if possible

and m not a promoter or a brand ambassador of TVS also

if u want further clarification then
9884902403 is my no and
if u want test ride also u can come to my place in chennai

i dont know why u all are getting these problem….

so any time in weekends m ready for giving test drive

what else u want for clarification?

did u go to the service station and asked them that u want to see how they are doing service of ur bike?

if not then i cant tell anything

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jak October 19, 2009 at 3:59 pm

so please ride it to believe it
and m a product’s performance lover
brand is the next thing to me in case of machines

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jak October 19, 2009 at 6:22 pm

and more thing

I think some of my dear frnds are xpecting much more from a 160 CC engine
so compare it only with only 150-180 CC machines
not beyong that

If u are doing the same means comparing only with the same segement and still facing pickup and top speed problems then u have to cantact with domination with ur dealers

regarding mileage my bike is giving always 45+ and it goes to 55 kmpl on highways

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viv October 19, 2009 at 7:31 pm

hello javed

i did not stay with my bike while servicing, but after posting my comment i went to wash my bike.. after washing always i will raise my acc. a bit to remove any water from my bike’s silencer.. this time i let it to stay on the center stand and i put the first gear and i let it go(back tyre in air)
u know what? the chain revolving is perfect and constant, but the wheel speed did not match with the speed of the chain.. i hope u get the point.. they both are not running at the same speed..i did not raise the acc. keep it in mind..

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viv October 19, 2009 at 7:55 pm

continuing above…

when we engage the clutch the gear is disengaged inside the gear box itself.. but the chain keeps on running because it is connected and fixed to the rear..so even if the clutch is engaged the chain speed and the wheel speed has to be the same..but it varies.. so i think the problem is both wheel axle/whatever and the chain gear/whatever at the rear are not integrated tightly
thats why now I THINK the engine is fast and good but the wheel wont spin even while giving full throttle with a pillion rider.. I THINK this problem gives a drop in pick up.. i will check this problem and i will post u here… and im a kind of guy who thinks i should be satisfied with the stuff i bought .. hope u dont keep it in mind javed(JAK)..

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jak October 20, 2009 at 10:32 am

@VIV
itz OK yaar never mind

hope this will help U
waiting for ur response after fixing the chain and flywheel …

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jak October 20, 2009 at 10:36 am

and i never compromises with my bikes performance because i have owned a future machine for best performance…so , even a single issue with my bike occurs i run to service center and ask them to rectify it then and there……and yes if it is a born problem with my bike then its ok i.e. vibrations etc…

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Pankaj October 26, 2009 at 1:52 am

here is the update on the issue i had,,, i bought my bike at rania which is a retailer ,,, TVS has adviced all retailers to send any body who is willing to buy rtr FI to the TVS outlets itself they should not make a sale for RTR FI, however these retailers still go ahead and sell FI’s and inturn take the responsibility to service it……….they cant service the byke since they dont have the resources to service and FI vehicle coz of which my bike has not been serviced the proper way for the first 3 service,,,,,,,,,,now after all the trouble and hasel bike runs fine but am still not happy with it……RTR and RTR FI vehicles has a gear issues and TVS is still finding ways to fix it ………i have demanded for compensation for the trouble i faced with the bike for less than 7 months from teh date of purchase………

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salim November 13, 2009 at 12:59 am

hey guys first of all stop comparing fz16 and rtr fi
they both fall in diff segment.if u really want to know then here goes:
first i want to tell u guys that i dont own any of these bikes.

rtr has better pick up and better power
better top speed. but lacks the looks a new bike needs and it vibrates at high speed. build quality is not so good either.
there not many tvs service centers that can service this bike.
gear problem exists. but u have handled this bike nicley and taken care that it is serviced only at major stations that can actually service then its ok

fz16 has awesome looks, better grip but lacks power it needed
also its back seat is a bit tiny. but it has smoother engine and build quality is great. also since its not a complicated bike comp to rtr it can be serviced by any yamaha service center.

so in terms of looks and engine n build quality fz rocks
n
in terms of power rtr rocks.
so guy if u need less power great looks go for fz16
and if u need power go rtr but remember to take very good care of it.
tvs is an emerging company it needs time to get a grip over performance bikes
yamaha is already world class bike manufacturer an fz is scaled down ver of fz so in terms of this tech fz is way ahead
but that doesnt mean rtr is laging behind it needs some time to do more research. i bet newer ver of rtr r going to be gr8.
so guy chill out. n take good care of these bikes and plz do not race on the street our indian roads r not meant for racing.

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nishad November 13, 2009 at 4:31 pm

how can some 1 think of even comparing FZ16 to apache ….. comeon yaar it’s but obvious that u can never beat yamaha engineering …. yamaha is always the best ….. a true lord in biking

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tiger November 14, 2009 at 12:56 pm

ya friend you r right, no one can compete with yamaha in the world and they compare thier apache with fz 16 which lowers the standard of yamaha.

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Mr.Madras November 16, 2009 at 11:47 am

Compare thier apache with fz 16 which lowers the standard of yamaha.

If u thinks like that then why you are reading this forum and write a comment buddy? That seams FZ failed but u can’t accept. Simply u r telling,, it’s YAMAHA,, it’s YAMAHA….

Yamaha is a world leader there is no doubt….
Even apache owners stick the no “46″ in there bikes. (If u don’t know abt “46″ pls type in google u will get the details of “Valentino Rossi”)

But in India YAMAHA is not stamping there leg. Shall I list out their flop bikes from YAMAHA? (Already we gave the list)

If u need only looks and want to show in front of girls then go with that.
If u need a adrenaline thrill and great power in lower price go with RTR Fi. (Better mileage too)
If u can spend near 1L or more than 1L go with P220 or R15… (I am not comparing RTR Fi with those bikes :-P )

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jak November 16, 2009 at 12:53 pm

nice to see ur comments NISHAD AND TIGER…..seems to b an engg in YAHAMA moters…..yes we cant compare these two bikes bcoz both are meant for different purpose:::::with ur stupid comment it seems that u have never read the above parts of this blog…and also lookin the u are new to two wheeler ::: I M not talking about the bicycle MIND IT::::and yes till FZ nad FZS its looks little bit good 75K for a normal 150 CC bike and when they launched FAZER same tech with a 2 grand front mask and raised the price to 82-83 grands like honda stunner did with adding FI and and incresing price by 14 grands to 74 K…..
ON that day I realized that so many fools are in INDIA and these clever companies use them to increase their profit… isn’t it

a 150 CC normal tech bike is 150 CC only :::: if u are purchasing it on 75K or 83 K no need to give comments after that

so if u are a bike lover u sud love technology not BRAND….

after all a if luna engine is fit to a hayabusa or any superbike that dosn’t means that it sud be of 12-13 lacs…

looks are male but engine is fail
this is india and anyhow if u are a average rider of bike then u will never fall from any two wheeler dosn’t matter it is a 100 CC or 150 CC

SO AT the end

neither FZ nor APACHE FI is bad
both are of different purpose so choice is urs

again I M telling

U cant get comfort and handle better than FZ
and cant get that power and speed better than APACHE FI

so use ur brains if u have then comment in this blog….

KIDS ARE NOT ALLOWED

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senthil November 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm

Useful review.

Done my decision to get the city beast.

thanks for all you feedbacks.

Will update u more in the future……

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VIV November 26, 2009 at 9:12 pm

hello JAK, Mr MADRAS, SORRY that i posted comments about rtr fi and u which was not good..

you remember me? you know previously i said there was a lot of complaints about my rtr fi like low pick up,low top speed,low mileage etc., after seven months they(tvs serv.) have tuned my bike so well.. that it gives me a mileage of 50kmpl when i obey the traffic rules, and 42kmpl when i dont and let others bite my dust.. today(26-11-09) i got my bike after my 3rd service,now i will say its a racing beast.. i tested it after i received it on the andhra highways, believe me when i lower a gear from 5th, thats when my bike kicks every ones asses,
you know at 4th gear i touched 110kmph..

i always thought after buying rtr fi, maybe i should have gone for yamaha or pulsar..but after the perfect tuning i love my bike a lot..
i see here some losers posting about their fz > rtr fi..

but as you can see yamaha knows very well about indian people.. they put the same engine with an air scoop or something and raise the cost, these buggers just will go and buy.. its a total bullshit..
the same was done by HH cbz engine on hunk but people bought it..
yamaha fz 16/fz-s/fz fazer owners dont have the right to talk or criticize about rtr fi or the tvs completely..you know there are always a bunch of losers criticizing about a good one.. these yamaha fz 16/fz-s/fz fazer owners come under those losers list..
i dont think so any yamaha fz owners had raced against rtr fi and won the race.. if they have done that officially, these losers wont talk a damn over here..

and referring to nishad and tiger, you three are big losers who bought fz and now you are crying at our feet, begging to accept that fz is also a bike…

waiting for you two of you to reply..

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Mayank December 1, 2009 at 1:52 am

@ VIV,

Buddy its ok dat u hav apache bt dat doesn’t means a non apache person z a loser. both da bikes r meant for different purposes,, one for street driving and other for high acceleration and race.. stop being arrogant.. every person loves his own bike, no matter wat brand it is.. m an owner of FZ16..i like apache rtr 160 fi and 180 too,, i dnt like fazer (personal opinion).. stop calling others loosers.. drive safe and njoy ur ride..

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VIV December 1, 2009 at 9:08 am

@ Mayank,

When people like nishad and tiger talk as though they are out of their mind it is necessary for me who owns a rtr fi should comment in such a way that they wake up from the dream world.. they think they really have yamaha fz 1..they forget that they only own a fz 16.. do you know when you posted your last comment before this one, (Mayank on August 15, 2009 at 1:39 am) so till then you were just watching others criticize rtr fi.. so when someone writes comments in such a way that it really pokes you hard thats when you give your comment.. when they comment so cheaply you are supposed to interfere and tell them instead of telling me.. unless and until they stop these nonsense i will post such types of straight comments…

and i am sorry if it hurts U alone so much..

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rithik December 1, 2009 at 11:38 am

buddy i own a honda stunner cbf with fuel injecter(which i installed manually i ma showroom)… and recently i installed a K&N 1600 air filter to ma bike…. and yesterday we i raced wit ma friend who has a yam fz16 i bike just blowed away from him….. there fore i lost the rep tat i had on fz16 dude….

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VIV December 1, 2009 at 10:33 pm

@ rithik

i heard we cannot fit an air filter for a fuel injection bike.. how come you did that.. if it is possible i will be happy.. but already my apache 160 fi touches 127kmph.. if it is possible for mine also then it will be great..

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Mayank December 2, 2009 at 6:23 pm

c VIV, dis fyte between apache rtr fi and FZ wil never end.. dnt get serious into da fytes.. evry bike z gud in its own way.. nd evry thing has some advantages nd disadvantages.. its upto da person and his requirements .. and m nt hurt by any comment..

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naveen December 2, 2009 at 9:09 pm

yamaha is a good company but when it comes on fuel efficiency yamaha sucks that to in fz. i like the bikes style but it sucks on performance when compared to apache that to in fi.rtr 160 and fi is the best bike around 150cc bikes.
its true that i t is noisy after some years but proper maintainence would keep the bike superb and no a days no one keeps a bike for more than 3 years in that case rtr fi is the best

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Aj December 2, 2009 at 10:21 pm

Hey Every bike is gud…. Just like IPL Cricket players.. no1 can say that if i will buy dhoni@ 5lacks then he will perform aur praveen kumar @ 1 lacks cant do any thing…Sachin is the best player that does nt mean in every match he will perform dats depends upon luck…….

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sushil david December 5, 2009 at 11:23 pm

thank u guys ur information really helped me in selecting bike and i am going for yamaha yooooooooooooooooooo

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jak December 7, 2009 at 12:50 pm

plz guys plz dont fight here

there is no reason to fight here…..i appreciate t5he comments of members…who want to go for yamaha(as per brand name) will go for it no body can stop him….who wants pure unadultrated performance will go for apache fi( the name is enough to tell the successful story)…. the money is urs so either spend it for only style or for musculine pure performance with style

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Karthik December 16, 2009 at 5:49 pm

I like Apache RTR a lot, but im 6’2 in height for which apache ll be harder to ride(normally apache won’t suit for the Tall-guys i guess)……….. So, tall dudes gor for FZ series.

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Sumit Vij January 15, 2010 at 4:11 pm

Hi Guyz,

Bought ma fz16……. 15 days back, seriously awesome byk. Hot & Sexy looks, powerful, sporty…………..New byk buyers must consider this byk……….. No pulsars any more………………..

Go Get It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The one and only

Lord of the Streets !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FZ16

Sumit Vij

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narendra January 17, 2010 at 11:52 am

i baught apache rtr 160 fi………………wow kya byk hai……….whata byk…….great balancing….power and smooth ride……it has no match….

awasome byk…….
no pulsar
no fz……

and city avg more then 45+
thank javed for ur suggrstions…..

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Chetan February 12, 2010 at 3:04 pm

OH god!!!!
This Debate is still going on!!!!!…..
BTW i bought RTR180 in Diwali.
Its awesome bike…. lots of pickup…..

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Crisdiade February 18, 2010 at 5:56 pm

Hey Guys, nothing 2 worry.
If u really interested buying fz or apache. i think u should go ofcourse for yamaha fz or fazer. First of all just look at the name – YAMAHA & look – TVS. The name itself attracts.

Ok lets come to the point. Yamaha is a international company, the first company who has started making sport bikes & high performance TCMS(Torque Congestion Metikate System)Engine. The Engine Designer Team conatains more than 70 engg. to think. YAMAHA is also awarded for the best engine design committee in the world. Everything in fz is unique. i think tcs apache is not the bike to compare with such a huge grandfather of the motorcycle. Just think you are riding tvs apche and yamaha fz or fazer just overtake u, what feeling u suffers from and at that time u will think that ” oh!if i had bought fz”. And that feeling is really so bad. I had ride both bikes and my conclusion will be YAMAHA FZ or FAZER. Nothing to compare nothing to say. Just go, ride, feel, and then your heart will insist to buy YAMAHA FZ or FAZER.

Good points for yamaha fz:
muscular
torqueful
brandimage
sporty
cruser

bad points for yamaha fz:
average

good points 4 apache:
performance bike

bad points 4 apache:
unstable fuel economy

YAMAHA FZ OR FAZER IS A GRAND GRAND FATHER OF tvs apache.

THANKS

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jak February 23, 2010 at 11:34 am

hahaha

one more frustrated member of R&D of YAMAHA..who is telling that please buy the bike of 153 cc normal engine with 83-85K or 73-75K. and that also with the worst mileage in segment….yess 85K for an really advanced engine of 150 cc segment is acceptable with FAZER but but but…think something before typing… even sometimes karizma and p220 gives better mileage than this 150CC mill….why people are purchasing fazer m still confused and if u have xtra money then donate it somewhere it will help someone….still these kids are crying for brand…..god please help them and the heights of disappointment is that they are comparing the name sa YAMAHA and TVS….. grow up kids and come into the world of performance and style both….otherwise stay behind with style only….and last but not least APACHE is for young blood not for grandfathers or kids….so rush and plan to buy apache 160 fi or 180 rtr

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Mr.Madras February 23, 2010 at 3:28 pm

@Crisdiade

the first company who has started making sport bikes & high performance TCMS(Torque Congestion Metikate System)Engine

“Bcos of that can u beet Apache Rtr Fi?”

The Engine Designer Team conatains more than 70 engg

“Ohh.. that’s why after RX100 they produced list of failure bike? Ok ok fine…”

Just think you are riding tvs apche and yamaha fz or fazer just overtake u, what feeling u suffers from and at that time u will think that ” oh!if i had bought fz”.

“I never feel like that bcos Fz alw Eating my dust… ”

Wanna meet me?
R u from Chennai? Let me know I am ready to meet u at any time…

Top speed 131 kmph (in speedometer Don’t know abt true speed)
Mileage 49 (in city)
0-60 in 4 sec…..

What else u need as a young blood?
(Go and tell ur YAMAHA story to kids)

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Sharim February 24, 2010 at 7:32 pm

hey guys i m planning to buy an apache.But i m confused between the 2 models….people are saying that FI system is causing problems and it needs pure form of petrol which is not available here or it will get worn out soon…is it true??
PLZZZ tell me what to do…whether to buy RTR 160 or RTR 160 FI????

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jak February 26, 2010 at 11:16 am

@Sharim

first of all congratts for leaning towards this mean machine….
Fuel tech is the latest in India and proven technology over the world…totally computer mechanized system gives to unadulterated performance unlike carburetor version .
yes this is a fact for all FI tech mills u have to fill the gud quality octane petrol.. it will run on normal petrol also but will sometime fuel injector blocks…so don’t worry u can use super petrol of any brand….
I am using this bike from past 14 months and honestly telling that i did not face any problem in performance, still it touches 100 kmph within blinks and razor sharp braking for controlling this mean machine.. but there is a negligible vibes between 4500-5500 rpm which is manageable in front of the performance of this mean machine….
mileage above 45 kmpl in city always and 50+ in highways….
apart from that negligible and manageable vibes the bike is a masterpiece from TVS in current era.

Go get it coz “ITZ NOW OR NEVER” and of-course “THE FAST HAS BECOME FASTER”

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AHASAN RAZA February 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm

fz 16 is a sexiest bike ever in india . if u compare it with other 150cc bikes all are shlit infront of it . it has a fabbulous look and desing and attracted every real bike rider the handling is suporb and in pickup it will beat all other 150 bikes including RTR150 lietly as i experienced so buy a fz16 and challenge any of the 150cc bikes so guyz wroom up the road.

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jak February 26, 2010 at 8:10 pm

@Ahasan

go kid first of all gain some kno on bykes then come in this battle

the expansion of RTR and its cubic capacity whether it is 150 or 160

seems u r new in the market and attracted towards style only not performance…u sud better go for some lady made activa or some other scooties like that….

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Sharim February 27, 2010 at 5:49 pm

@Jak
thanx for the advice….but now i hav a bigger plan….now i m going to buy RTR 180…i took a test drive of it yesterday & i was totally amazed to see its performance….i was abt to buy one in pearl white colour but it was booked by some other person…now i hav to wait for abt 1 week for that colour…..

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Sharim February 27, 2010 at 5:51 pm

and can anyone using RTR 180 tell me its milage..????

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VIV February 27, 2010 at 8:04 pm

@Crisdiade
..hey man i know you r a great analyzer.. and man, i cant do anything here except telling u that u have got a lot to learn about bikes. are u comparing the bikes YAMAHA fz and TVS apache fi or are you talking about kg stuff fighting that mine is bigger than ur bike brand name.. if u really raced against an apache with ur fz, i say that the apache guys are going to fold ur fz into four fucking pieces and shove it up your fuck’n asshole, u fuckface..dont u ever dare to post your stupid comments in such a cheap way..

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VIV February 27, 2010 at 8:24 pm

hello al

i guess the YAMAHA guys really know how to fool some of our illiterate people.. and these people will never understand what they are upto.. and this fight will never end unless people having poor knowledge on bikes keep posting their stupid comments.. i always hoped their respective dads must have wasted them in the toilet and flushed them away..

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Rakesh March 1, 2010 at 2:10 pm

Wake Up Boys
FZ is naked type YAMAHA
As compare Fi 2ps is less
so do not compare its performance.
If you need to comparison i think there is no comparison between internation brand with local brand. Compare Apache with Bajaj Pulsar or Hero honda Hunk CBZ

Hardcore YAMAHA Rider.

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Balachander March 2, 2010 at 12:19 am

@VIV
well said, how dare they compare Apache with F***z

@Rakesh
You wake up first idiot.
TVS is local only for Indians. They are now trying to enter US market and are already selling bikes overseas.
Yamaha may be a well know brand worldwide but it doesn’t mean that it is better than TVS or Bajaj.

I don’t know when these idiots will gain knowledge (always considering the foreign items as better than home grown).

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john March 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm

hey guys does RTR 180 has better brakes than the YZF R15???

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Chetan March 4, 2010 at 3:23 pm

i dont know about R15… but it certainly breaks better than P200 & P220.
I am getting milage of 44kmph in city for my RTR180

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ketan March 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm

does self of FZ-16 or lack of kick option in FZ16 creates problems?
guys plz suggest

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madhu March 9, 2010 at 4:30 pm

thanks 4 ur valuable reviews

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rajesh March 17, 2010 at 3:17 pm

im rajesh from chennai fz 16 fantastic wonderful bike. i installed K&N Filter good voice and good pulling power.
its to easy and confortable to ride this bike in city traffic .

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rajesh March 17, 2010 at 3:21 pm

im senthil from chennai appache fi fantastic wonderful bike. i installed K&N Filter good voice and good pulling power.
but no road grip wat to do? and back disk totale no use

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Amit March 25, 2010 at 10:07 am

Hope this will help u too choose the right bike for u! Both bikes have their uniqueness. U have to decide what u want?

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ram March 25, 2010 at 10:46 am

EDITOR NOTE: Amit, why don’t you mail ur review to us so that it can be published that will reach better instead of posting in comments.

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john March 31, 2010 at 10:00 am

hey is there a shortage in the pearl white coloue of rtr 180..?? i hav booked it a month ago and till now they r saying that there is little hope for it to come…
Wot should i do??

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vijayt April 9, 2010 at 2:53 am

I just need one answer for fz-16

how much it is comfortable on long drive?

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naveen April 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm

yaaar, yamaha is yamaha.nothing else is needed

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Sam April 22, 2010 at 12:34 pm

From the day Im riding bikes m doing it on a yamaha.Learned to ride on daddys RX100,My first bike RXZ,My second bike bought with my hard earned money FZ16 LAVA RED (just yesterday).
Buddies I tell you its splendid,the handling,the initial grunt the killer looks,the smoothness of the mill,the macho look of the thick front shocks,defenitely wont miss the dummy silencer,its a state of art design and the cute parking lamp.I would die for it.

THANKS YAMAHA for bringing this BEAST TO LIFE

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Sam April 22, 2010 at 12:54 pm

From the day Im riding bikes m doing it on a yamaha.Learned to ride on daddys RX100,My first bike RXZ,My second bike bought with my hard earned money FZ16 LAVA RED (just yesterday).
Buddies I tell you its splendid,the handling,the initial grunt the killer looks,the smoothness of the mill,the macho look of the thick front shocks,defenitely wont miss the dummy silencer,its a state of art design and the cute parking lamp.I would die for it.
Guys dont break your head on issues like which is better.Every damn person on earth has got his rights and to advertise his likings.So people who waste their brains in framing unethical sentences are nothing but dumbheads from my point of consideration.

THANKS YAMAHA for bringing this BEAST TO LIFE

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Sam April 22, 2010 at 2:00 pm

From the day Im riding bikes m doing it on a yamaha.Learned to ride on daddys RX100,My first bike RXZ,My second bike bought with my hard earned money FZ16 LAVA RED (just yesterday).
Buddies I tell you its splendid,the handling,the initial grunt the killer looks,the smoothness of the mill,the macho look of the thick front shocks,defenitely wont miss the dummy silencer,its a state of art design and the cute parking lamp.I would die for it.
Guys dont break your head on issues like which is better.Every damn person on earth has got his rights and to advertise his likings.So people who waste their brains in framing unethical sentences are nothing but dumbheads from my point of consideration.

THANKS YAMAHA for bringing this BEAST TO LIFE

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Mayank April 23, 2010 at 9:04 am

I have been a proud owner of FZ 16 (Lava Red) for almost a year now. There are no complaints in this bike. Apache is also a good bike but should not be compared with FZ16. Both bikes are meant for different purposes. After every service of my bike, i feel as if i have purchased a new one. I love this bike a lot.

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Mr.Madras April 23, 2010 at 10:55 am

From Sam

“Every damn person on earth has got his rights and to advertise his likings”

Hi Sam,

Then y u r sharing ur experience here?

See my first Bike also RX100.
After RX100 My RTR FI is satisfied my sprit…
Gear ratio, Power delivery, revving capacity,

0-60 performance
0-100 performance

Apache will beat RX100 but that RX100 feel we can’t get it any ware (leave this)

Forum for novice….. so we suppose to share our experience….

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srinivasan April 30, 2010 at 4:32 pm

yes people fz16 is the bike which all the young generations were lookin 4!
thanks a lot yamaha for launching such bike in india!

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JAK May 18, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Vimal May 21, 2010 at 9:46 pm

Both are different categories yaar. Dont just compare bikes only with the CC. nowadays bikes are categorised for various purpose. Not like HH 100cc, Szki max 100, etc. Cruisers, Racers, Stunters, Commuters, Smokers, and at the end , the show case. i’m damn sure these 2 are of different classes. The person behind this thread has committed a serious offence 2 years before. and still we are suffering.

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Vimal May 21, 2010 at 11:04 pm

you know some times we should see the cost also. For example, R15 is only 150 cc, but you see it easily rules out zma. not coz its Yamaha but the equipment that costs more thn a lakh, 4 valve engne, liquid cooling etc. And guys to all of you. No need to use the term Yamaha always. Each model is different. Not all Yamahas are good neither TVS. Inside INdian market, everything is same. Thats something about the tax that a company can afford. By the way, planned to buy a G1 Royal Enfield.

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Yogesh June 16, 2010 at 8:59 am

Hello Friends,

Planning to purchase a byk…..

Totally confused betwn FZ,CBZ Xtreme,Unicorn N Pulsar

Need ur help……

Warm Regards,
Sourabh

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abadur rehman June 17, 2010 at 5:36 pm

hey guys……..apache 150 is fantastic bike in the comperision to fz ……..plz thinking before purchasing fz ,…….fz is like a old bike without firont lamp……..hehehehh

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avishek mazumdar June 17, 2010 at 11:26 pm

i want to buy a new bike.plz suggest me within pulsar 180,hero honda hunk.and rtr efi 160

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Rajan June 19, 2010 at 7:21 am

hey i have a yamaha FZ !!
i tell u no 1 can beat yamaha….
gr8 engine gr8 design, excellent stability…
its only yesterday tht i hav beaten apache 160 and pulsar 150 .
and u knw i can bend my bike 2 an extent tht my footrest touches grnd while taking sharp turns…..
dnt ever try to do this on any other foolish bike…
its a thing 1 can do only on yamaha fz due to its wide tyres……..
YAMAHA ROCKS !!!!!

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Aaron June 19, 2010 at 12:30 pm

@ avishek: You want a solid-stable-well_engineerd-killer-engine wit killer-macho-looks…den welcom 2 yammer FZ family :-)

or you want an top-end tuned-highly-unstable-”killing”-engine…den go die with the vibrator apche ;-)

Also…all u can see in this thread is diffrnt commnts frm ppl having diffrnt perspectivs on their rides..
Best option: Take a good TEST-DRIVE on both byks..choose the one wich matches ur taste..!! Dont miss taking a steep killer curve on both byks..ha ha…u can see the TVS choking n moaning to death..highly unstable whil negotiating curves..poor TVS…..try FZ, u can bend even to 30deg at a high-speed..boy…yammer wont let u down…Trust me..!! ;-)

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Aaron June 19, 2010 at 12:36 pm

@ abadur “woteva” rehman: dude…wich world r u in ??
wak up man…its tym u tak an eye-check-up :-D

ur comment –>> “”fz is like a old bike without firont lamp”" :-O
don make a complete a**-hole outta ya self d***-head..!!

if u got 2 sm point..justfy n share ya expernc wit odrs dumbo :-D

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anas July 2, 2010 at 8:44 am

hi i am confused to take which bike in yamaha should i take r15 or should i go with fz16. which is the better in ur view

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Partha September 13, 2010 at 2:20 pm

FZ16 designed for City ride
RTR designed for Highway ride

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varun October 15, 2010 at 1:01 am

i own an fz nd i can gaurantee u nytym tat yamaha fz i better than rtr. perforamnce comparison made above is shit!!! it all depends on ur perfect rpm related gear shift nd confidence while driving.
luv ya yamaha

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varun October 15, 2010 at 1:04 am

@abdur:an apache rtr160 is jst lyk a jiggalo witot an errect cock!
u dare not comment on fZ

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suraj October 19, 2010 at 12:51 pm

wats the point of Choice if it doesnt work 4 U !
Beauty lies in the eyes of behold !
IF U want to turn the heads of people then go for Fz
and IF u want to feel the adreline then go for Apache Rtr!

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yogesh November 6, 2010 at 8:54 am

@ varun

I agree wit u varun…..it depends on the rider and ebility of him for bike performance….i stay in hyderabad and i challenge any body prove me rtr fi is better than fz…i own a yamaha fz s wit top speed of 126 touched twice and 123 regularly with mileage of45 @average…so i give a open challenge to rtr fi riders in hyderabad……………………

will be waiting for anyone who dares…….

regards
yogesh(ryder)

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JAK November 20, 2010 at 3:38 pm

126 OMG…how many hrz and kms did it take to reach 126? ;-)

Geno November 20, 2010 at 7:14 pm

Watch the words mate…… Do call an RTR for a drag with FZ…. you’d regret…..

JAK November 20, 2010 at 9:48 pm

DRAG Race wid RTR…..and U can win…pal r u okay?….if U wud have said about control and style ((not much ahead than RTR)) only…then it wud b okay okay..
please! this comment is not affordable even to any FZ owner forget abo RTR owner….this comment showz that U dont kno anything abo bike’s performance spcly RTR’s ….;-)

Geno November 21, 2010 at 7:44 am

@JAK… Man I have been supporting RTR only… rofl…. I thought you were asking how many hours and kms it took for an RTR….. I know wat I ride man…. I ride the carb version of RTR 160… just 3 weeks old and I get the same thrill of riding my RX100 …. I was telling that FZ suffocates in a drag…. and apache is never bad in control as people say… it can definitely beat the city king (as they call it) FZ if the RTR is in the right hands. RTR is razor sharp and that is why novices say it is hard to handle.

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JAK November 21, 2010 at 11:26 am

@Geno: oops ! sorry bro..i didnt observe the thread…

taran November 20, 2010 at 2:00 pm

fz 16 rules

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taran November 20, 2010 at 2:02 pm

fz 16 is much better than apache
yamaha rules…………!!

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JAK November 20, 2010 at 3:35 pm

@Taran: okay fine..now U r hapi na? ;-)

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tarun sharma November 28, 2010 at 6:51 am

hey all yamaha fz fans
its disgustibg to compare yamaha fz with tvs apache fi..
1. tvs apache has a better saree gaurd for the safety and its gives confidence to the rider who ride the bike that back seater is safe. in yamaha fz a third class saree gaurd is attach no meant for it.

2. tvs apache milege till first service is 47.58 km/hr . and after more services it will definitely increase . but yamaha fz hs only 35 km/hr milege its too burden on ur pocket …..

3. tvs apache head lamp is better than fz. it is more stylish.

4. digi speedo with rpm analog meter gives smooth look to the bike. fz also has digi speedo but not analog meter and head of the apache is so breath . and its feels you that you ride a high performance bike.

5. petrol tank of apache is in the level of the seat . but in fz its not. in emergency condition apache tank gives you help to ride. i ride this bike in sariska zoo. wich spred in 21 kilimeter. but after 10 km my bike ( back tyre ) was puncture. and i rode this bike 11 kilometer to seat on its petrol tank. and when after 11 km i repare it and i see its tyre tube is safe.. wow its amaging .. i think in that condition fz fell me in a danger situation.

6. i dont like the look of fz in front of apache . fz looks like a in compelete bike to see. its look like many things has to do in this…

7. i ride it 85-90 no vibration in this speed.

8. self start + kick start

9. back light is more power full then fz its safe in highway and even in nights on highway

10. good miledge than fz
good looking than fz.
better saree gaurd
better mud gaurd
beter leg gaurd
smooth ride
no vibration
execellent pick up
silencer’s acoustic sound
easy to ride because height is not excess
disc break in both tyres

yamaha fz is a third class bike as compare to tvs apache rtr fi…..
dont purchase yamaha fz if you compare with tvs apache rtr fi

yamaha fz is not lords of street its a excess load on streets……

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Aaron Dutt November 30, 2010 at 4:44 pm

@ Tarun Sharma:——–yeh..ur comments jus proved ur 1st sentenc..simply disgusting!! See some of ur dumb comments & some words frm my side u loser…coz here its a user-review sharing forum abt d 2 machines here..nt ur area 2 put sm dung pal…
Nw see d commnts 4 ur so calld ‘find-outs’ :D ……..

1.Its a naked byk dude..diffrnt purpose..not 4 saree-wallahs lik u MAN..but again, the factory designd one in FZ s a gud one..i don find anythin so ‘special’ in ur RTR :P :P
(…so equal points der…)

2. Wot s dis xx.xx “km/hr” mileage Mr.Tar man ?? seeemd rlly funny :D :D
anywz..Mileage….well Apache scores 1 point der by a few values..coz FZ reads abt 40-43kmpl max @ its best perfo..apache givs abt 46-50kmpl
(…so 1 point to Apache…)

3. Get losttt…FZ scores way ahed of apache on headlyt..both in terms of design,style and perfo..its havin d design frm d mighty FZ1 !!
(…so 1 point to FZ…)

4. both d machines havin dig-speedo..apache got an analog meter though..wich gives u a raw look..it depends on d rider perspectiv..bt i would choos a complet analog meter…so personlly speakin..i don lik both the speedos..
(…so equal points der…)

5. wot a rider u r man..comparing seat-to-tank height?? :)
ha ha..also wot kinda joke hav u illustratd in ur jungle-story :D :D

anyws…v don liv in zoo..we live on d streets & we wud prefer riding our byks by sittin on the SEAT & not on the tank(excpt 4 stunting :))..Also dude, u talkin abt sm puncturd tyre..?? Do u kno anythin abt the MRFzapper radial tyres used in FZ..?? it can run with any nail on it 4 mnths..FZ scores..
(…so 1 point to FZ…)

TANK..FZ has got a real masculine tank design..scores again..
(…so 1 point to FZ…)

6. FZ is a stunning macho byk..superbly designd masculine naked byk..Lord of the streets :)
(…so 1 point to FZ…)

7. Apache is such a vibrator b/w ur legs man..even the manufactrs say so..dey say that it vibrates coz f d power it generates..woteverr..!!
FZ does’nt cry/vibrate as u say man..
(…so 1 point to FZ…)

8. self +kick start in apache …i wud prefer that..
bt again d individl batteries in FZ s a rrlly gud 1..
(…so 1 point to Apache…)

9. Back light… :P :P
FZ has got a stylish & better one..
(…so 1 point to FZ…)

10. smoother ride, best control n handling, better exhaust handling, rlly the Lord of streets and u’ll know the control the byk has got esppclly @ sharp curves..!!
(…so more points to FZ…)

Jus add up those points man…based on ur topix oly..ha ha :)
its kinda FZ leads 9 to mere 4 of ur apache..

This is just to the knowledge of all odr buddies too..njoy pals.

Hapy n Safe riding !!

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karthick harry January 11, 2011 at 4:37 am

hi guys…. i tell u one thing that yamaha fz is far better in comfort…. and it initial speed that cannot catchable by apache…. if ur initial is high u go far than 1 km distant…. so if uwant to ride in street faster u can go wit fz…. and yamaha is imported bike…. i choice yamaha fz

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Govi February 7, 2011 at 12:32 pm

apache its realy super! fz modify nice but rtr is quick pickup……! and petrol economy, big lcd ,top speed view time Display & ext

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Rahul February 15, 2011 at 5:08 pm

Fz 16 comes with lotta style n’ comfort .. the only thing that keeps worrying me is that it’s poor mileage factor .. ( one of friend’s been getting a mileage of 30 -35 kmpl )
yam guys could have worked on that too .. :|

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kranthi April 15, 2011 at 12:41 am

racing ‘DNA’ unleashed…..apache superb.

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sufi May 25, 2011 at 5:09 pm

yamaha fzs rokking …

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veera June 2, 2011 at 8:33 pm

there is any starting problem in fz16 during rainy season????

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Nyox June 29, 2011 at 2:14 pm

Hi guys!

For me its a personal experience. Here is my list of the qualities.
1. It depends on how comfortable you are when riding your bike.
2. I choose the most trusted brand.
3. The engine quality
4. The Performance
5. The Looks
6. The Mileage

People have their own personal preferences.
So whats yours?

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nikhil September 14, 2011 at 2:59 pm

never compare the stylish TOY BIKE with LUNA silencer(FZ,FZ16) to RTR(RACING THROTTLE RESPONSE). crux, gladiator,libero,fazer were super duper FLOPS gifted by yamaha, even now with stylish TOY BIKE with LUNA silencer(FZ,FZ16) ,they are far behind HH,BAJAJ,TVS in sells. Yamaha should know that indians are not stupids to buy junk bikes from yamaha with only looks of toy bikes.

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prinz February 3, 2012 at 9:42 am

yamaha trails behind HH, bajaj, TVS????
dont say this anywhere outside cause if you say it, people will laugh their ass off!!!
do u think that you are a genius and the reputed japan engineering is stupid??
i think you should improve your general knowledge!!
grow up KID!!

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manish October 14, 2011 at 10:09 pm

Hi,
I wone a fz16 and i cant a have a better bike than this is simply superb bike a havent rided in my entire life. The smoothness and the handling it just amazies me but ter is one thging i am not satisfied with and that is the top speed. As i have seen the max is 115. If it had more than 120 or 125 it would be realy nice !!!

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hamed October 18, 2011 at 2:24 pm

hi
send your agency phone number please.
thanks

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*LoneWolf* November 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm

Racing DNA unleash vibrations.

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M.H.Sumon March 29, 2012 at 6:08 pm

TVS Apache RTR is the best bike………

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awaiz April 29, 2012 at 8:12 pm

hey guys chill , from my view both bikes are awesome , if you guys plan to buy a costly bike please go for FZ-S and one more thing FZ-S consume more fuel than RTR , so if you think economic than go for RTR .

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prafull August 26, 2012 at 2:36 am

Hello Friends,
I own RTR 160 Fi orange…. Great thing is it gives you power at any gear and dont feel sluggish. About vibration of RTR, the character of bike is made for vibration as silencer of bike makes you vibrate and that is purposefully made. I think if bike has to be compulsorily smooth, comfortable then buy FZ. but you really want to feel dragged, riding bike (not scooter) then buy RTR particularly FI (but now it is discontinued) I bought it in 2nd sale (only reason is its firing) after declining new FZ (as FZ is too common now days) and still people stare at my bike due to firing and orange color.
No doubt FZ is good bike in city, great look but when it comes to performance its far behind FZ. Where FZs performance ends RTR starts. I could not get to push the bike in mumbai traffic but on that day i got chance to push and it went to 108 kmh and that on 4th gear and i could not get chance shift 5th gear.
Funny part of owning RTR that i only get chance of riding it as none of my friends has gut to ride it (Friends own Hunk, Extreme, Pulsar etc). Friends says once they release clutch bike starts jumping and difficult to control specially sharp brakes.
In traffic nobody try to forcefully overtake me and front bikers gives me way to go ahead after listening firing of bike. This is to inform that I am not a rash driver.
After riding so many bikes i have still not found RTR characteristic in any bike (Personal View)

Finally This comparison is not required as both bikes are completely different. As FZ style loving people wont buy RTR and vice versa.

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Venkat December 31, 2012 at 4:59 pm

Yamaha is producing fz16 and other vehicles with components made out of sub-standard design & quality.
1. The mileage is very poor in spite of the fact that most of the parts are made out of plastic material, where as a JAWA / YEZDI, a 250cc vehicle which I was using was giving 45 kms / Litre for many years and even a Kinetic Honda which I was using was giving 55kms / Litre with both had a very good pick that even I used to overtake many RX and travels.
2. The vehicle is not starting using the self starter and it failed within 6 months of usage, in spite of regular service done by the dealer / Service provider Raj Yamaha, Chennai.
3. The brightness of the headlight is poor on most of the days and bright on some time, and there is no answer from the dealer / Service provider Raj Yamaha, Chennai.
4. Shifting the gear from one to the other is very hard to the extent that it damages the leg, near the thump.
5. The vehicle stalls and the engine is switching off while overtaking which is a very dangerous affair to the rider.
6. The vehicle goes to the neutral position when I shift the gear to lower gear at most of the times and to 1st gear when you want to shift it to the neutral.
7. Utmost care is needed when using the kick starter as the rider is forced to fold the right side foot rest thus causing danger as the rider has to push back the foot rest to use the brake pedal.
8. The stand is not withstanding the weight of the vehicle thus deflecting on the self weight of the vehicle causing bend and thus hitting on the ground and there is no answer for this either from India Yamaha motor pvt. Ltd. Or the dealer / Service provider Raj Yamaha, Chennai.
9. There is no safety for the pillion riders as pillion rider is tend to fall from the vehicle from their backside at any point of time.
10. Pillion riders are complaining that they are getting back ache while traveling on this vehicle, because the seat is not wider & longer enough for a person to sit apart from placement of the foot rest that is in a place that induces pain and discomfort to the pillion rider.
11. In spite of pumping air at regular intervals, air pressure is always less in the tyres from day 1.
12. Yamaha dealers always do a worst service, in-spite charging huge amounts.
13. This is the only vehicle in India that there is no safety for the riders as no crash guard/Bar is provided.
14. This is the only vehicle that there is no chain guard which is also unsafe to the riders.
15. Also most of the vehicles in India are coming with out mudguard flap and mudguards with enough length (for the purpose of safety, mudguard should be long enough so that it crosses the centre line of the wheels of the vehicle), which is causing dangers like dirt spraying on the other vehicle drivers like projectiles which lead to eye injury, accidents apart from making the clothes dirty.
16. The handle bar of the vehicle is too soft and will bend even if you drop the vehicle accidentally while you try to park the same using the stand.
17. The company, India Yamaha motor Pvt. Ltd is not responding to the complaints made and do not want to resolve the issues.
18. Dealers of India Yamaha Motor Pvt. Ltd, especially dealers like Raj Yamaha, Chennai, do not have any system, accountability towards the customers and the MD, Rajkumar does not have manners at all.
As it has become a threat to the Indian community, all the owners of Yamaha vehicles are requested to join hands and file a suit for relief and damages apart from stressing the government to form an active regulatory body (like NABCB which is really doing a wonderful job under Mr.Venkatraman and not the one like TRAI, which has allowed the sale of sim cards of service providers till the date of closure without insisting for withdrawal from the market) so that to make rules, regulations and norms for the mileage as it is the need of the hour, approval & disapproval of vehicles / Each & every component to ensure quality, in terms of cost, road worthiness, mileage, safety and reliability.
I have bought my fz16 on 5th jun2012 and my friend has bought another model and from day 1 we are also experiencing most the above problems. Also those who are affected are requested to fix a board in the vehicle itself narrating the defects/Shortcomings of the vehicle to create awareness among Indian community.
Those who want to join the fight against a substandard product may contact me either through my email ID: ven1959@gmail.Com or +919444153245.

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