Hero Considering Diesel Motorcycles

by atul on January 13, 2011

We have all seen the break up of Hero and Honda. As a matter of fact, Hero group has the right to sell motorcycles powered by Honda’s technology till 2014. Hero group is looking to strengthen their grip in the market and thus they are trying to bring in new technologies and innovations for the future.

As per the news in NDTV, Hero group is continuously in talks with a Diesel engine supplier from Chennai. News has it that Hero group has asked the engine supplier to supply Diesel engines of displacement greater than 400cc, NDTV reports. NDTV further reports that the supplier is an Indo-US firm. However, the name of the supplier was not disclosed.

As of now, Hero group’s engines are currently under review with the Automotive Research Association of India. NDTV further reports that the agreement between Hero and the unknown Diesel engine supplier would likely to come in force next year i.e. in 2012. After the agreement comes in force, we may see birth of new Hero group Diesel powered motorcycle.

Well, we all are eager to see the Diesel powered motorcycles from Hero. I on behalf of everyone at Bike Advice hope that everything goes just fine. Let’s keep our fingers crossed for Diesel motorcycles likely to hit market next year.

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suren January 13, 2011 at 11:31 am

Very good news for everyone, I was waiting for new diesel powered motorcycles, Let’s see what happens?

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Surendra January 13, 2011 at 12:04 pm

Bad news & bad initiative. Petrol prices are going up but leaving no effect on buyers. There is huge demand for motorcycles anyway. Now, if diesel engines come, imagine what will happen. Moreover, environmentalist are already crying over use of (subsidized priced) diesel for commercial use & this move will certainly come as a shock for all green campaigners. Govt is unlikely to take any action against this due to strong lobbying. All this will make sure, we all will die a little earlier; either due to natural calamity or due to rising prices of commodity. God save us.

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Arun January 13, 2011 at 12:31 pm

This is not for motorcycles, as per Economic Times, Hero Honda is going to enter the three wheeler market, with Auto Rickshaws and similar stuff.. 400 cc diesel engine on a bike is not feasible, factors like noise, vibration and harshness makes it unsuitable for two wheelers, otherwise piaggio would have been making one already…

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arun January 13, 2011 at 12:47 pm

wow great move but i feel that hero should have gone for eco friendly bikes powered by batteries or solar energy with displacement higher than 250cc powered around 20bhp with great styling and amazing features this will not only cut down the maintenance cost will be the most futuristic bikes manufactured in India

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Sachin January 13, 2011 at 1:10 pm

hero should try to remain Hero & not try to become superhero.
How many diesel bikes are running on roads in this world?

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Pankaj January 14, 2011 at 7:23 pm

Only one diesel bike was there
One model Bullet was launched in diesel version in year 1987 but in 1990,when pollution norms became stricter,this diesel bullet was stopped.
This bullet had a 325 cc engine with 6.5 bhp power and mileage around 50 kmpl but poor pickup.Even a bicycle can beat this bullet in a shorter race.

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Bikram March 24, 2011 at 4:37 pm

My friend, if you catch up to the motorcycle world, you will see there are loads of companies around the world that are trying to bring out a diesel bike. Also, there is this company that is using a kawasaki frame and mounting their own design diesel into it (they designed a proper diesel just for the bike, complete with the gearbox and drivetrain in one unit). Guess who is buying those?? The NATO forces, including the ole’ USA and the UK. They wanted to come out with a civilian version, but said they, being a small company, already have their hands full from military orders. The demand for diesel bikes is great, and considering the capability of a diesel motor to produce loads more torque, and that too at a much lower rpm than the petrol motors, its going to be an altogether different beast. Another thing i want to add is that diesel motors have come a long way now. With all the modern tech, they have more cleaner emissions, some of the motors being even cleaner than their petrol counterparts.

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Subramanya January 13, 2011 at 2:21 pm

This would be a fantastic step by Hero. wow! 400 cc diesel engines would have awesome torque. if they are multiple cylinder engines it make them more attaractive..!!

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Pankaj January 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm

Clear your fact!!!
a 400 cc diesel Engine can produce max power till 10 to 12 bhp

Did you know that Royal Enfield also produced a 325 cc diesel bullet and its max power was 6.5 bhp.
Pickup of 400 cc diesel engine is such that if there is a 200 meters race between a bullock cart and this diesel bike,there are lot of chances that the bullock cart can win the race.
For more power, a diesel engine needs to be atleast 1000 cc

I think Hero group is planning a 3 wheeler diesel rickshaw.

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Arun January 31, 2011 at 6:45 pm

Tata Indica’s engine gives 53.5 bhp with it’s 1405 cc engine. That means it gives out 15.23 bhp per 400 cc. I think it’ll be O.K.

Pankaj February 1, 2011 at 8:17 pm

Arun
Dont compare Tata Indica specs with 400 cc Hero bike
Indica is 53 bhp doesnt means that a 400 cc bike will give output of 15 bhp.
Indica has 900+ kgs weight whereas a 400cc bike needs to be minimum 200 kgs in weight hence max power attained will be around 10 bhp if we consider power to weight ratio like Indica for this bike.Hence mileage of this bike would be around 35 to 40 kmpl.If Hero opts to give more mileage engine then this bike needs to be around 8 bhp max.
Hence this bike can act as utility bike for rural areas like carrying milk cans/vegetables/foodgrain bags etc
15 bhp is impossible because in case of 15 bhp,it can give mileage nearabout 25 to 30 max.So a car like Indica will be affordable than this 400 cc diesel bike.
Plus diesel bike is difficult to start.
Diesel engines are having compression ratio above 11 hence if button start fails,then you need to be a wrestler like person to kick start the bike.The kick start of this bike will be almost 1.5 times harder than the bullet 350

Do you know why diesel bullet was stopped?
I guess one reason might be too much polluting vehicle.Generally 2 wheelers are popular and more and more masses using it means too much pollution.
So Diesel prices will rise in country and our government will remove the subsidy on diesel also.Government gives subsidy on diesel because in rural areas,generator sets and tractors run on diesel thats why.
So imagine that if diesel bike becomes popular and diesel price becomes almost equal to people??
living life will be horrible in our country.Too much inflation will be there in our country

Hence it will be better if Hero launches a diesel rickshaw instead of bike.

Bikram March 24, 2011 at 4:57 pm

pankaj, Horse power and torque are 2 totally different things. It is a well known fact that diesels will always produce more torque than a petrol motor. The Horsepower of an engine is an exponent of the torque producing capability of the engine and the rpm it is produced at, and since diesel engines cannot rev very high( 4500 usually being the max, compared to 6500- 13000 rpms that a petrol motor can rev to), it therefore cannot produce high hp. Consider this, a Tata truck has only 125hp diesel engine, yet it can pull x times more load than any 125hp petrol car in the market. Thats coz the petrol motor can never produce as much torque as the diesel can ( 40kgms of torque of the truck, and a 125hp petrol will have about 25-27kgms of torque).
Royal enfield diesel was a contraption. They just used a greaves engine ( clone of a lombardini), that was used to power gensets or agricultural water pumps (and red lined at 3000rpm, which explains its low hp rating), and somehow mated it with the royal enfield gearbox. Modern proper motorcycle engine, are designed from scratch, keeping its motorcycle usage in mind, and a new gearbox specially designed for it. Considering that common rail injection systems have become so common, and the turbo charging technology become cheaper than before ( BTW, to be in any way efficient with a turbo, its necessary for the engine to have multiply cylinders, atleast more than 2), it would come as no surprise that a 400cc motor, with CRDi and a turbo, designed to use the bad quality fuels we have here, can produce 20-25hp@4500rpm and 5 kgms of torque.
If its a rickshaw, well and good, but since even royal enfield has jumped into the brand wagon again, i think it might just as well be for motorcycles

ignatius January 13, 2011 at 4:15 pm

I hope that 400 cc engine is for Three wheeler Auto rickshaw as i saw in todays newspaper .. that .. they will jump into competition with TVS and Bajaj on that area…

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fas January 13, 2011 at 6:50 pm

This might be a tight slap on Honda group if Hero does it successfully.

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Pankaj January 14, 2011 at 7:34 pm

Rightly said
A diesel engine needs compression ratio above 11 which means hard kick start.So a kick start is useless for this bike.
Secondly a 400 cc engine will vibrate a lot and make too much noise that anybody will recognize you from a kilometer long distance.
Third thing is that even if this bike is launched in diesel version, I bet many farmers will buy this bike,remove its engine after using bike for few years and use it to provide power their irrigation system.
So why dont Hero make diesel generator sets instead of diesel bikes.
Actual purpose of government to keep diesel prices little less than petrol is because diesel is meant for power generation in areas where electric supply is not regular so that irrigation systems in rural areas work.
Diesel is not meant for motorcycles in city areas.Because of this,chances of diesel prices rising upto petrol price is quite possible.
I think Hero should make diesel generators instead of motorcycles.

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Sujit Thonse January 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm

Diesel Engines are a MESS!…..specially for motorcycle..
And if u r too crazy for diesel bikes u can get ur old bullet engine replaced by ‘Greaves diesel engines ‘ ..
And if u wanna go for original diesel bullet(tarus) u can buy it as a second hand..and it produced 5bhp for a 350cc
and it produces a typical sound which u may have heard from diesel autorickshaw

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Rajesh February 22, 2011 at 9:10 pm

Kick starting diesel engine may not be that much difficult because before starting diesel engines we must apply de-compression lever which will reduce the effort.
For those who are very much interested diesel bikes can google for “NEANDER DIESEL BIKES”. which are very good looking and mascular.

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shashi kant March 9, 2011 at 10:49 am

this sounds quite interesting and economical as well but diesel engine for bike demands more maintenance and greater attention while driving.present situation demands fuel efficiency and strong body parts for smooth running in developing countries like India on one hand and on the other hand environmental protection should also be taken in consideration. i think hero should go for the manufacturing of eco-friendly bikes like battery driven, solar driven etc. at present whole world is facing problem like different types of pollution which leads to global warming and several other disasters. big and established firms like hero should take this matter seriously and try to improve the situation by their eco-friendly products

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khwaja Azeemuddin June 17, 2011 at 12:44 pm

At last some one thinks of aam aadmi!!!!!
it’ll be very great to see fuel efficient diesel engine bikes to roam around tagging the name hero!
but!pollution is a very big matter of concern!

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sham December 8, 2011 at 8:03 pm

i hate Diesel engines in two wheelers its make more noise &vibratations and less power.

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