Hero Honda Karizma ZMR Vs. Yamaha R15 – A Comprehensive Comparo

by Deepak on August 7, 2010

As the title says this comparo is between the Yamaha YZF R15 and the recently launched Hero Honda Karizma ZMR. We have seen many reviews and comparisons between ZMR and R15. In order to make this one special I have included my real time experience with both the bikes in a Product Marketing point of view. As we all know the YZF R15, 150cc Mini Sports Bike launched two years ago by Yamaha. While Karizma ZMR roars with a 225cc and is a recently launched variant of Karizma R which is the Flagship offering from Hero-Honda. Both these bikes are built for sheer performance but targeted on entirely different audience.

At first, a customer has to understand the concept and Audience who are targeted for a product, else you will end-up in a big disappointment. R15 is designed for a 20-25 year old who weighs between 60-70 kgs. If you probably fall into this segment the R15 is just for you. Remember you got to bend yourself and adjust with the lowered foot pegs in the R15, which is not possible for all ages. Whereas the ZMR is targeted on bikers over 25 years with Huge Built. Visually a ZMR will not fit a slim biker. So Decide which segment you fall in before choosing one.

Looks:

It’s obvious R15 is a clear winner in this segment hands down. Though looks purely depend on one’s personal preference, but the majority always rules. It’s ideal to say R15 is the 150cc version of R1 , there is no need explain much about the stunning design. Moreover the R15′s front cowl is designed Aero dynamically to provide Precise airflow control. The Sculpted tank which blend into the Front Cowl and Yamaha’s trade Mark Dual Lamps will make you fall in Love at first sight. But the rear disappoints a bit with skinny tyres and makes no big difference to a normal bike. Many say R15 is looks tiny, but its sleek design does the job perfectly. Also we have to admit the fact that R15 and FZ have paved way for a new generation of Bikes in India. It’s obvious that many bikes can been seen modified only with R15′s fairing.

Now coming to the ZMR, which slightly resembles Busa in styling and Proportions. The entire design shows an urgency and inspiration from other models. The Huge ZMR Stickers in the Front looks freaky which highlights the entire design. The Tank remains the same from ZMA R as its one of the best for Knee Rest. The Rear LED and Grab rails slightly resembles its sibling CBZ Xtreme. Like the R15 there is nothing interesting about the rear. Being more precise ZMR’s rear mudguard look exactly like a 125cc TVS Flame. ZMR shines in Five Colours. In my opinion White outshines the reset. While the other colours will just say you have a ZMR.

The digital speedo in ZMR is really a striking feature which is interactive with its owner, wishing Hi and Bye. While R15 borrows the speedo from its sibling R125.

R15: 4.5/5
ZMR: 3.5/5

Performance:

On Papers: The R15 is powered by a 149cc Liquid cooled imported mill, Which is capable of throwing 17PS at 8500rpm and 15nm torque at 7500rpm. Which is a mind blowing figure for a 150cc bike. Seems R15 has to do a lot of Hard-work to bring the results you need. The ZMR on the other hand powered by a relaxed 225cc mill which is directly taken from the proven ZMA R. ZMR can do a best of 17.6ps at 7000rpm and a Mighty 18.35NM torque at 6000rpm.

On Road: With a Suitable rider on both the Bikes a R15 will surely outperform the ZMR right from 0- 145 kph (On Speedo). Where its almost impossible to exceed 125Kph on ZMR’s Speedo. many reviews and articles say R15 lacks Low end Pickup. I certainly disagree with that. May it be the Pulsar, Apache or R15 It all depends on what RPM you keep the engine. In this case the R15′s rpm needle is the fastest to reach 10,500 rpm amongst all Indian bikes >250cc. Hence you have to keep the R15 is its power band to challenge others. To remind, R15 has a Engine Cut-off at 10,500rpm , which can be removed by remapped ECU which costs only about 5k/-. With Proper gear shifts, it takes about 11 secs to reach 0-100kph in the R15, where ZMR managess it at around 13 secs. We might think ZMR lags 2 Secs behind, But this absolutely makes no difference within city road conditions.

ZMR’s Power band is even throughout the entire RPM range, similar to Suzuki GS150. Also you get the adrenaline rush when you accelerate the engine initially, which is totally absent in the R15. On the other hand once you cross the 7000rpm mark in the R15 you must get ready for the real ride, First time when I crossed the same, I felt like someone is pushing from the back. The ultra refined engine will show no sign of vibrations even when cruising at 120kph, also the seating posture helps Wind Flow efficiently through your shoulders, This doubles your confidence. Where as in a ZMR the seating posture is straight and simple like its performance, cruising is smooth at around 100kph which is ideal for touring. From a Performance point of view the ZMR may disappoint you a bit.

R15: 4.5/5
ZMR: 3.5/5

Handling and Comfort:

Since both the bikes cost you over a lakh. It’s obvious that expectations would be quite a bit more than usual. Performance is not the only aspect to judge the winner. The next comparison is on how these bikes feel on road. The moment you sit on the R15. All the tiny bike feeling would be washed out. You need to bend and adjust yourself to reach the Handle and this gives a sporty feeling and you are ready to be mischievous. The ZMR is plain and simple. All you got to do is just sit and hold the Handle, no adjustments required. R15 is more or less a Track tool, Since the bike weighs a little over 120kgs, All cuts and curves can be handled with Ease. With the 159 kgs in ZMR you get more responsible and makes it almost impossible to handle deep curves without hitting the brakes. ZMR comes with the same legendary front brake from ZMA R and a Rear Disc too. R15′s disc brakes take biking to the next level. Eventually ZMR heavily lacks a Mono Suspension.

In short the R15 gives you accurate handling in city traffic. ZMR is rather contradictory, its huge mass makes it rock solid on highways and manage any amount of wind flow with ease. Certainly the ZMR has a hand over the R15 in touring comfort as you cannot bend yourself for hours and keep the throttle over 9000rpm. ZMR reveals its maximum capable torque at a early 6000rpm itself, So no need to stress yourself as well as the Engine. In Short the ZMR is the holy grail for Tourers and nothing handles like the R15 on a short city ride.

R15: 4.5/5 (City) and 3/5 (Touring)
ZMR: 4/5 (City) and 5/5 (Touring)

Mileage and Maintenance:

Both bikes ripped at their best will give an optimum mileage bet 30-35 kmph. Improper Clutch/Gear handling will reduce further more. Since the R15 has a tiny 150cc engine it has a hand over the ZMR in this segment. If the throttle is held below 5K rpm for commuting then it returns an average of 45kmph while ZMR returns 40kmpl in the same scenario. Apart from that many still have issues with the R15 not having a centre stand and only one Head light works at low Beam.

Regarding Quality, Both Hero-Honda and Yamaha have a good history and experienced over their business. Hence they won’t bother you much on a Maintenance point of view. For the first two years oil and Brake pads would be the only replacements made. Both justify their price tag with a Various array of options. No matter you select R15 or ZMR oil and Brake Pads will cost you the same 415/- and 1100/- respectively. In my opinion , both the bikes will surely perform healthy for over 5 yrs. Which would be a dream for every Pulsar and Apache owner. Still many are unaware that the Front Fairing Plastics of the R15 costs just about 3000rs, same as ZMR. So do we really need to worry about a crash guard? Unlike other bikes Yamaha has not terminated its job after selling the R15. There are additional performance accessories that can improve its performance, which can be outperformed only by the Ninja. But in my opinion that ZMR’s throttle is also controlled by an ECU. Why not Hero Honda launch performance accessories similar to R15?

R15: 4/5
ZMR: 4/5

Features:

ZMR over R15, Lets see the Features in which the ZMR rules over the R15. First the Speedo which is really a good initiative in making an interaction. ZMR boasts 18 inch wheels which gives a huge bike like feeling. ZMR has a relaxed 225cc engine which stays relaxed even at high RPMs.Also the bike comes with a closed chain cover which really helps to keep unwanted dust and particles settling on the chain. The R15′s open chain may look aggressive but it costs about 150/- extra for every time you use a chain spray. The LED lamps is an eye catching element in ZMR which really grabs every one’s attention. In my opinion there is no comparison to ZMA R’s dual tail light.

R15 over ZMR, Its a Fact that R15 is the most technologically advanced Indian bike. Which has a array of features over the ZMR. Firstly R15 is about 25 kgs less than the ZMR which makes an amazing power to weight ratio . Handling or rather Flicking the R15, in City Traffic is a Pleasure. R15 has six gears and better aero dynamics which makes it more efficient. The mono suspension is a gift to Track racers. Dual Head lamps gain more attention over others and last but not the least R15 has a well balanced Liquid cooling system.

Value For Money:

This is the Major aspect in which most Indian based Bike Manufacturers hit their Jackpots. This reminds me a famous quote “Cheat me in Price not in Quality”. Absolutely there is no compromise in Quality offered by R15 and ZMR. That doesn’t mean that Yamaha and Hero-Honda cheat in Price. They have good justification for and the overall package is well balanced.

R15 engine runs in a controlled environment with a ECU monitoring the throttle and an advanced Liquid cooling system that certainly maintains optimum engine oil temperature. Now if you still my Apache/Pulsar has over 17ps power, Disc Brakes etc etc and why should I waste over a Lakh on a R15 or a ZMR. The Answer is Reliability. I have seen R15 engines which are still the same even after 2 yrs, Same means almost similar to a stock engine. But unfortunately a Pulsar/Apache will surely lose its health after vibrating for two years.

Moreover in my opinion “Value for Money” is not measured by the Product to Price Ratio, its rather Product to Satisfaction Ratio. On a real time scenario almost every R15 owner till date will be happy about their selection while others mostly end up in Second hand market with the least resale value. Since ZMR is new to the arena we have to wait a watch for its customer satisfaction. But yes its a fact that many ZMR lovers are unhappy as they have cancelled their booking due to high wait time. Additions like Dual Front Fairing, Advanced Cooling system and Mono Shocks help the R15 have a step over ZMR in this Segment.

R15: 4.5/5
ZMR: 4/5

Verdict:

As like the size of this article there is a huge difference between these two bikes and they unite only at one point, COST. R15 costs up to 1,10,xxx on road and ZMR costs 1,03,xxx on the road. But let’s make this short and simple, if you are young, aggressive and still have a mischievous teen attitude then R15 is for you. Trust me you will never feel any discomfort. If you are rigid and responsible and want your bike to behave the same then ZMR is the ideal choice for you.

To be even precise, R15 is for Boys and ZMR is for Men.

- Harish

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Deepak August 7, 2010 at 8:04 am

Dear Readers, In the last post where I asked for suggestions for improvement of bikeadvice, many of your replied that you need more comparo articles. We heard you and here’s a big one. We will be publishing more comparo articles hence forth! Thank you for being a part of bikeadvice!

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Nithin k jose March 8, 2011 at 11:01 am

DEEPAK AND VIJAYin my opinion you are wrong.deepak is always trying to support r15,and not giving much attention to ZMR.
and also vijay told that “r15 is for boys and ZMR is for men”…u r wrong.bcz,the day before yesterday a man of 40 years bought r15 for his personal use near to my house.upon his opinion he was saying that “r15 is good for us,bcz we are old na”….
i think that both the bikes are the kings of the country highway….”TWO IN ONE COUNTRY”.

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star4ulove August 7, 2010 at 10:26 am

thx deepak, you realy a best friend to all indian bike fans.. you are giving us, what we realy want…
thanks for all your support…

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Vijay August 7, 2010 at 10:54 am

Excellent review…specially the verdict! ^_^
“R15 for Boys…and ZMR for Men”!
I hope there is another comparo between new P220,R15,ZMR!
The 3 kings of Indian road…! :P`

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varsha August 7, 2010 at 11:23 am

That was a really well explained comparison..
great job..

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Mithun August 7, 2010 at 12:47 pm

“R15 for Boys…and ZMR for Men”
I don agree with that.
IMHO “R15 is for racers and ZMR is for tourers”
and age doesn’t matter a bit

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hawk November 21, 2010 at 4:47 pm

yeah dude what u said is correct i agree

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sahil December 23, 2010 at 11:19 am

gud reply dude..

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Penerjemah a.k.a Arif Rakhman August 7, 2010 at 1:50 pm

I would prefer Bajaj 220 to get compared to R15 because of performance matters. HH Karizma ZMR is lacking powerful qualities to compete the Japanese. tha fastest Indian, however, seems to score low only on the look and material quality, especially in its fairing.

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Ali July 29, 2011 at 11:20 pm

i think u own a Pulsar 220…

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rockstar August 7, 2010 at 2:16 pm

as u said that “”R15 is designed for a 20-25 year old who weighs between 60-70 kgs”"

i m 80kg + .. wuld it be better for me ??

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krishna August 7, 2010 at 2:20 pm

thanx deepak..looking ahead for more comparison of performance bikes..i would love to read a comparison on apaches and other bikes..I disagree with you that apache and pulsar lose their engine health after 2 years or so..It mainly depends on how you maintain your bike..

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Deepak August 7, 2010 at 2:59 pm

FYI, the author of this article is Mr.Harish!

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Suresh November 6, 2011 at 12:45 pm

Sir me honda haunk ko modifaid yamaha r15 krwana cahata hu kha se ho ga

@m!t August 7, 2010 at 3:28 pm

hey lookin forward for performance bikes shotout,
especially pulsar 220 & yamaha R-15

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fas August 7, 2010 at 4:03 pm

Nice review. I feel the ZMR gives the big bike feel which the R15 lacks.

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ANUBHAV January 21, 2011 at 2:54 pm

dear. not only big bike feel but also reliability and best engine performance…

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krishna August 7, 2010 at 5:41 pm

Sorry for that..I didnt note that the author is mr.harish..

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Dinesh August 7, 2010 at 5:43 pm

@Mithun: Agreed..

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niks August 7, 2010 at 5:48 pm

a good review…
but we buy these bikes for image.just image….
although you can get similar perfromance on APACHE RTR (180 & FI not 160) and comfort of zmr in PULSAR 220 & you can save many bucks for Fuel…

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Joe August 7, 2010 at 6:01 pm

Just 2 words for Harish’s article “No Comparison”.

Excellent work harish, gr8 review never seen before n possibly will never see anytime anywhere.

I also own R15 n very happy with the performance. Jus a small concern, whnever i hit rear brake, my tyre gets locked, is it normal or i need to rectify it.?

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nitin August 7, 2010 at 6:50 pm

i tend to disagree….

i have owned both the pulsar 150 and the R15…R15 is very difficult bike in the city since the power is in the top band and you have to frequently change the gears…And it is a pain to ride in bumper to bumper traffic…..

The handling in the city of R15 sucks…..it is a highway and race track bike…But people tend to forget the service and spare parts for Yamaha sucks…I had to wait for over 45 days to get my bike fixed due to lack of parts when my front cowl broke….

Regarding ZMR no bike can match it as a tourer…but it has problems in productions it seems….The showroom claimed there is a 6 month waiting period for it ad the white colour has been stopped…..

I would suggest people to go for either only if their service centre is nice

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ANUBHAV January 21, 2011 at 3:01 pm

Exactlly what i am saying… no bike can compair with ZMR and it is not that i have it but i have always come accross with best engine performance and qulaity and easy availability of spares…
HH ZMR though can not compete with the looks of Yamaha Bikes amongst youth but only to go for looks is not a good decision… Just think out of box and decide but one more thing i have say eben in looks it gives a bully and unbeatable performance in terms of speed and more durabe than other bikes….

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The Indian Army August 7, 2010 at 7:01 pm

I dont agree that zmr is for 25+ year olds.

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Prabhu August 7, 2010 at 7:22 pm

The article was really huge n well explained. Good work harish. BTW are u management professional:-) Thanks Deepak. Comparisons are always hot, can we hav a comparison among 150 bikes?? Especially pulsar, fz , apache and dazzler? It has been long time pulsar had a comparison.. It might be outdated but still manages keep wit its competitors.

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Windhorse August 7, 2010 at 7:30 pm

I would really love to see a comparo between Pulsar 135 vs Stunner vs Gladiator.

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abhishek August 7, 2010 at 8:56 pm

what a great comparison but why speedo meter of zmr score 3.5 it the best speedo i have seen
i dont think after 2 years pulsar or apache engine will become rougf
it depend on use dont say about a pulsar engine after two years but apaches engine is also very reliable even after 3 years a apache has a great power r15s engine is made of alluminum,
and realy the r15 full faring cost only 3000 from yamaha

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shubham August 7, 2010 at 10:05 pm

i like zmr more than r15. it is sexy too much too be on the top of the recent relesed motorcycle

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ANUB January 21, 2011 at 3:07 pm

very true even no bike on Indian roads has a best sucess rate non other than HH Karizma…

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niraj August 8, 2010 at 9:08 am

Wow! a 150 cc punning mill out running a legendary 223cc… Now, I am full of smiles and have one more reason to own my R15…
That’s really a good comparo… and yes, R15 is a dream to ride on… R15 itself is a winner when its compared to higher cc bikes… its like comparing girls with boys hehehehhe :D

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Aditya Chatterjee August 8, 2010 at 2:30 pm

It completely goes wid d r15…
my friend owns a r15(red racing colours) he daily rips his bike to its maximum potential(it is around 5 handed, all have defferent ways of riding)…n believe me friends…even now its d same…same engine note, same pikup, same speed n everything…completely hats off to yamaha…!!!
even i m going to buy a r15 in d next month..!!:)

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Aditya Chatterjee August 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm

earlier i had an honda eterno…i also ripped it..n its down within 1.5 yrs…shockers gone, piston gone….tyres flattened etc. thats the quality of honda in eterno….i don kno abt d pther products…so m going wid r15..!!!! :-)

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Raghav August 9, 2010 at 9:46 am

A comparison between a performer and a tourer brings a smile on my face…come-on Harish lets be fair, both bikes are not good for metro cities except for showboating…in cities like Bangalore where u hardly run the machine for 1km to find a signal with vehicles all arnd u, its not a pleasurable ride.
these bikes r good only on highways..
the article says R15 owners are completely satisfied which is very untrue…u’ll find many R15 in resale showrooms…
If only ridden with responsibility the bike is a gem

ZMR on the other hand is a touring bike i mean a 250-300km of ride…if u do tat on R15 u’ll not getup the next day…whether he is a 20yr kid or a 25+

so i thnk if u want to do comparisons then do for these
R15, P-220, and RTR 180 fall in same league..
ZMR, RE 350

I don’t think a smart/wel informed biker will hav R15 and ZMR in his list of choices…both the bikes hav a massive 25kgs diff in weight..

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gills November 20, 2011 at 5:26 pm

wht abt taking corner?

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Amit August 9, 2010 at 12:38 pm

A comparison between CB Unicorn and SUZUKI GS150 will be great. These two bikes seems to be the best sellers in this segment(150 cc).

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Dhiraj Chawla August 9, 2010 at 1:50 pm

Awesome review, and very well explained. The best part of it was : “To be even precise, R15 is for Boys and ZMR is for Men.”

Ya, I totally agree with you that each bike is for a particular segment.

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Harish August 9, 2010 at 5:57 pm

I First Thank for all your responses.

R15 cannot be defined as a Race bike as its illegal to sell a Race bike for streets.

@ Rockstar:
I would suggest you the ZMR or Fazer. Since you are about 80kgs you may feel hard to handle the R15 in terms of cornering and braking.

@ Raghav:

You are correct in terms of performance, But in reality, Same league for a potential ZMR customer would be the R15 as it falls in the same Price-Tag.

If ZMR is marketed and sold only as Touring bike through Advertisements and Salesmen, What about sales? Customers have to be hunted. Only a handful in India take their bike for a 300 km ride.

At Last, biking in cities like Banglore, Mumbai, Chennai etc in peak hours is a nightmare and no bike can offer any comfort in this situation.

Anyways I regret to be negative on your comment. Cheers and thanks for your Response

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rockstar August 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm

@ Harish : but m interested in buying r15 more dan any other bike …how bout d seating position ??
Wuld it be difficult for me to sit n ride on r15 with d leaning position ??

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Harish August 10, 2010 at 10:55 pm

@Rockstar

As you know you have to bend and adjust yourself to fit the Handle. For the first Two weeks you will find it too Hard to Balance. Once you get a rigid posture then trust me every ride would be a Pleasure. You will hardly notice any back pain once you get used to it (>2Weeks).

So Take a Test Ride and check it out.

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MOHAMMAD August 11, 2010 at 12:33 am

Hey I do agree with d leaning position but just for 1 week you will experience the problem after that you will love it.
One must not forget that it’s a bike for race lover.

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Rizwan August 11, 2010 at 1:43 am

Hi
everyone

Well the more the better the bikes are!!!
In comparison to these 2bikes(R15 n ZMR)i would say both are different in style and in range.

ZMR as mentioned By Harish he says that “ZMR is for MEN n not for BOYZ”!!!! i totally Disagree with this!!
i have a seen 65yrs old MAN who is maintaining A range of super model Bikes from Hayabusa to 600 CC’s to 400 Cc’s bikes and he maintains an A/C show room for those bikes…
and comparing doesnt mean that the other Bike is not Gud!!
thats also Gud but has some differences..
and i would like to say ZMR is Better compared to R15
its better in comfort and its A220CC bike!
now a dayz Guys prefer for High CC and STYLE and i Believe ZMR has got Both :)
wat do u all say Guyz Correct me if im wrong.

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Nithin k jose March 8, 2011 at 10:56 am

you are absolutely right rizwan…i will support you.u r very very accurate in your opinion.. ZMR is the best….

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Saleel August 11, 2010 at 9:23 am

R15 is great bike for joy of riding, I am over 40 5’11″ just over 80kgs and there is no problem even on non stop rides of 150kms, taking corners at acute angles and blast past 7K is really amazing, for technolgy nothing made in India comes close missing though are the LED and HID lights, once on the bike the narrower rear tyre don’t really matter

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Rodeobiker August 12, 2010 at 10:03 pm

Nice review, bro!!!!!

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Agnivo August 13, 2010 at 1:56 am

The specs sheet here shows the R15 having a 9AMPs battery… I seriously doubt it. The service manual says it’s 3.5A only… while I hear 2010 models have 5A batteries. My R15 (Feb-2010) sports a Minda VRLA battery and looks like 5A at most.

I must also mention the stock headlamps are a pity (the reflector most probably)… I can barely see anything on highways even with both of them ON! I have fitted a 55W external light under the front number plate (doesn’t look bad at all) and there has been a lot of difference. Also plan to upgrade the battery to AMARON 9A.

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prikshit August 14, 2010 at 11:30 am

r15 is still the best bike among all upto 225cc bikes, it is the complete package…….

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parth September 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm

hello every one i am 23 yrs old boy and i am about 5,6 inches and i am planning to have a……. R-15 but i am confused between R15 and ZMR i live in mumbai and every body knows the traffic of mumbai and i also do long tours very offently with my friends till 600 – 800 KMS and plz help me which machine will be the best for me????

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madhav krishna September 20, 2010 at 11:01 am

dis is very xciting thing 2 b said..nd
@ deepak : u r really keeping ppl in frustration n confusion..by keeping dis comparision of 2 gud powered bikes..

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rahul September 22, 2010 at 3:19 pm

hey guys, i have buy new r15 and i m happy wid my choice, every one watches closely when i m on my r15

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Astrobufff October 13, 2010 at 9:51 pm

Dear folks, I am 43 in body, and a little younger in heart and soul. I have the R15 since last March. I would just like to say that the handling of the vehicle under hard acceleration or braking is just superb. Remember that when you shop for a bike, see to it that you look for usable power that can be put down on the tarmac and not absolute power that will get you into trouble when you encounter a turn or an obstacle.
It is paramount to have impeccable manners on panic braking (life saving maneuver), swerving to avoid moving obstacles and riding in the rain.
I have had many panic stops using the 80-20% front and rear brake rule and I have stopped from 110 Kmh without fishtailing which says a lot for the handling.
The R15 inspires you to lean into curves without batting an eyelid
Yamaha traditionally has been a maker of better handling motorcycles worldwide that are heavy fuel guzzlers and having a slightly deficient powerband at low revs.
When you look at a package, you have to accept its pros and cons and learn to live with it and work your way around it.
What works for me is 35psi rear pressure boost performance slightly and improve flickability in the dry weather. Go back down to 33psi in the wet. Keep above 3500RPM.
Motul 300V FL Engine oil. Dupont Teflon Multi-Use Dry Wax Lube for the chain. Slime in the rear tyre to plug the punctures and slow leaks.

After the R15, riding my old Activa is a scary experience.

FOR ALL THOSE WHO READ THIS, I REQUEST YOU TO READ DAVID L HOUGH’S “PROFICIENT MOTORCYCLING – THE ULTIMATE GUIDE TO RIDING WELL” to master the art of riding safely and defensively and avoid most instances of having to take a soil sample.

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rushad October 14, 2010 at 2:29 pm

HEy Every one r15 BIKE rocks than other bikes……. so enjoying r15

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Itesh October 26, 2010 at 1:50 pm

hey!i don’t agree with u ZMR is the best indian bike i have seen.i have rided both r15 n ZMR but i felt comfortable on ZMR.I also want 2 tell u that R15′s tyre gave a view of luna

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Dharma October 27, 2010 at 8:29 pm

please agree with R15 it is the best and zmr is waste

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ANUB January 21, 2011 at 3:11 pm

i think you need to revise your exercise of alloting grads to the bike… have u forgotton the way bike where bike goes gives side to ZMR they R15 is just look with worst than Hero Puch…..

vivek November 11, 2010 at 10:24 am

i thought ZMR would exced R15 in speed… b’coz of your clear defenition i came to know the real truth…….. thank you ,,, but i have a doubt,,,, is yamaha launching R15 in white ….

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Ram November 11, 2010 at 10:27 am

Dear Vivek,
Yamaha is not launching their flagship R15 in white as thet was a limited edition model. But you do get all the body panels in the same white at Yamaha retailers at a price of Rs.12000 excluding the tank.

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Srivathsa November 14, 2010 at 5:37 pm

Hi all,

Hey Harish, a very good article – quite a level headed one!
Bored of reading articles by ppl obsessed with a certain bike ;)

I ‘m looking to buy a bike. (R15 / ZMR / RTR 180 / P220)
@ 22, I ‘m 5’6″ and weigh abt 55 kilos! – A slim body frame.

Usage: About 40 – 45 km a day. Home – Office – Home. About one third in peak traffic hours (Bangalore).
Long rides of over 300km – once in 6 months, may be.
Rides of abt 150km – may be once a month.

I love riding. I ‘m passionate abt it too. Not a racer, nor a complete tourer. Have Respect for ride quality.

The following are my opinions – inferred by reading articles/ talkin to ppl.
‘ll test ride this week.

R15 – fantastic technology on offer. Concerned with riding posture ( although I strongly believe tat it’s jus a matter of getting used to it ). Din’t like the colours on offer :( … liked blue, but v common i feel.
ZMR – too bulky for my body frame. Isn’t it? but
P220 – too common, no major distinction from it’s siblings! Not impressed with quality either.
RTR 180 – zippy in traffic. v nice initial thrust / quick braking. Love the looks (white/grey). Suits best for my body frame. Concerned with quality (vibrations b/w 4500 – 7500 rpms), relatively high cost of spares!

Also how is the quality of service (offered by companies) for these bikes in bangalore? Cost of servicing?

Would like to knw more about the terms: max torque & max power.(@rpms)

Welcome ur Suggestions :)
thank you.

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Srivathsa November 17, 2010 at 4:35 pm

Hi,
I have narrowed it down to RTR 180 and R15.

Test rode the R15. Felt good. But was for a short distance!
Riding position is v different. But i guess i can adjust in a couple of weeks.
Liked the red colour! Din’t now the maroon bike previously has now turned to blood red :) :)

Yet to test ride RTR.

Comments / Suggestions … ???

- Srivathsa

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vaibhav January 19, 2011 at 7:44 pm

i think u want R15

Prajeet November 18, 2010 at 11:22 pm

I own a yamaha r15(black racing stripe). its been almost 1yr tht i hav bought r15 but the condition of bike is very good feels like just yesterday I bought the bike..I hav no complains on pick,top run,brakes,etc. In my view r15 iz far far better than karizma zmr on technology even though it was released 2 yrs back.I hav raced with karizma zmr..n I hav won it in every sector from handling to top run..R15 is the best n m proud to own it…

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akash November 25, 2010 at 8:49 pm

hai
i am writting this to mr prajeet (r15 owner)and all r15 owners
What’s about the millage
1really getting?
2 company saying?

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sajil December 4, 2010 at 11:42 am

hi . . .
im 19 yr old guy,
and weighs 70kg. . .
which bike i shukd take?
whether zmr or r15?
pls help. . .

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hiren December 8, 2010 at 3:27 pm

hey.. sajil.. i suugest you to buy zmr.. coz i have it white bike.. and i ride it daily around 70-80 km.. to the college.. its comfortable and feels comlete sport bike riding.. if you are going to buy r15.. then you will get back pain in long route.. and its a cycle bike man..its weight is lowwer than 150 pulsar..! well its your choice.. good luck.. :-)

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alex December 8, 2010 at 11:03 pm

weight ha ha… juz lyk u nothing inside, open ur eyes bro…….u knw r1 9998cc super sports bike only weight 177kg dry think abt it one mor thing r1 is da best handling 1000cc byk in da world

Vishesh December 5, 2010 at 3:34 pm

hey guys!!!!
i am confuse between r15 and zmr .I am 5″8″ tall. I m much concerned about mileage and value for money .Plz help me out!!

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alex December 8, 2010 at 10:59 pm

go for r15 bro…….

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dhayalan April 28, 2011 at 12:49 pm

r15 is149cc waste of money zmr is 223cc is sport bike

anshul December 10, 2010 at 11:31 pm

i really wanted 2 get my hands on r15…bt me being 6’1..i feel its small..not suitable for me..
2 mir bikes…d p220 dtsi and karizma zmr…
more inclined towards zmr…because of reliability, comfort, handling…(i think it has more dan enuf power, performance), safety( read abt pulsars being more involved in accidents)….
but now after reading a lot of reviews i am having 2nd thoughts about it…
confused…this is gonna be my 1st bike… and i cant afford giving time to sort out niggling issues (which is why i am not preferring pulsar)…
bt d 25k difference comes in….is it worth it?
besides ..i don feel a 4 kmph top speed difference…or 1 sec 0-100 kmph difference is of any importance…
guys please help me out on dis …

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dhayalan April 28, 2011 at 12:47 pm

anshul dont think go buy zmr

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abhishek bhaskar January 5, 2011 at 11:05 am

i like r15 because i bought this bike yesterday and it is wonderful ekdam fadu bike

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Achin Kr January 30, 2011 at 7:13 am

Well kudos 2 deepak fr comparin d bikes…..and it all depends on what a person thinks individually…..i wanna buy n R15…i’ll buy it even if u found one or more faults…d thing is hw u want to possess it….R15 or a ZMR sure will b a gem or d biggest possession ever….. :)

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blah January 30, 2011 at 3:10 pm

the ZMR gives more mileage than the R15 go and see Yourself.R15 sucks in the department of mileage….. R15 is the best bt even ZMR is not less than that

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Vivek February 2, 2011 at 9:59 pm

I am 19 yrs old and 6″0″ tall…. And i am vry much confused abt buying zmr or r15……… anyone jus guide me…… wat will be the best 4 me and my weight ia 72 kg….

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ashok February 5, 2011 at 12:00 pm

harish!!! thanks bro!! irs really grt for us guys who hav grt cnfusion on d selection among these two bikes!!!! yeah i will dfnatky prefer R15!!!!

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Rakesh March 1, 2011 at 3:41 pm

ZMR is the best…………………….

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DJ ANKIT March 19, 2011 at 1:05 pm

dude,sumone said R15 for boys and ZMR for men,
ab budho ko zmr pasand aai to kya kare…young generation loves r15….its rocks…

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Ananthu Rajendran April 6, 2011 at 6:52 pm

Ya dude ,you are right,THE R15 IS FOR THE BOYS,WHO SEEKS THE THRILL OF SPEED AND ZMR SUITES FOR MEN ,WHO ARE BIT CONCERNED AND SEEKING STABILITY IN LIFE.
YES YAMAHA,
YAMAHA ROCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Ayush Saini April 19, 2011 at 5:39 pm

I lke R15 more than ZMR .it is very sexy & sporty bike

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dhayalan April 28, 2011 at 12:38 pm

all r15guys one requst zmr is sports bike but r15 is ordaniry bike so u buy zmr .zmr fastast bike than other .pls dont buy r15 waste of money .zmr 223cc=1,06000.r15 149cc=1,11000 waste of money.dont take your friend advice zmr is fast and sport bike in india

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dhayalan April 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

r15 is 149cc so young guys(15-18) ride ok .but zmr is 223cc ride only 20-30ages people dont think go and buy zmr .people use r15 to family. zmr use race

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Avinash May 7, 2011 at 3:47 pm

I am still very surprised that people still judge a motorcycle by it’s cubic capacity (CC).

A bike is to be judged by it’s low end torque (for city) and by it’s high end torque (for highway or sustaining speed). Though torque is not the only thing that you can use as a factor to judge a bike.

Talking about the “Bicycle/Luna” type wheels, the tyres are now one of the best pair of wheels one can put on a “track” motorcycle and holds onto the asphalt whether it is dry as Rajasthan or wet like Cherapunji.

And this is a comparison, not a battleground for the bikes.

And for the record, everyone knows that R15 is inspired about by the R1 and @Alex: You are absolutely right about the R1.

Comparing R1 with ZMR is like comparing Honda CBR1000R Fireblade with the Suzuki 1300GSXR Hayabusa. And yes guys, Hayabusa is a Sports Tourer just like ZMR but when it comes to speed, torque etc. CBR still beats the Hayabusa, day in and day out in a drag race. Ohhh yeah! Hayabusa is 1300 “CC” while Fireblade is 998 “CC”.

So the “CC” fans, get hold of the facts. Never ever judge a bike by its Cubic Capacity.

P.S.: I don’t own either of them. I used to have a Pulsar 150 ES 2006. Now I travel by the ever beautiful Delhi Metro! :)

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Dip May 7, 2011 at 10:31 pm

i think r15 is the best for bike lovers

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sAimy May 16, 2011 at 8:13 pm

1st of all i want to tell u that i m 5’8 n i want 2 tell u that both bikes are awesome in its category…if u have muscular built u should go for zmr n if u are average or short go for r15….In handling r15 wins the race due 2 its light wait.bt if u can spend 2 lakh more go for ninja 250r….

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Mohit June 2, 2011 at 2:31 pm

R15 is better than Karizma ZMR i have both bikes

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aman August 27, 2011 at 10:20 am

ri5 is much better then zmr

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Joel September 23, 2011 at 9:32 pm

Well… Well… Well… ZMR is the best you know why??? Because the accident chances are less compared to R15. Hmm… just because of the weight to power ratio. Yup ZMR is good at it… good wheel base, good brakes, good weight and a good engine which never stresses. ya, the bike would stop better then R15 where you hit the bikes. though to control the bike you should be a Macho man lol. So ZMR is the best… Who’s gonna race in streets without safety and with a stressed engine??? With the plain figure of 15o cc??? ZMR stays cool with the 250cc. then… looks its a copy of R1. Must be good… Still ZMR doesn’t lacks it either. you know now a days ZMR uses a PGMFI technology… so the Millege also would be stable at many situations. Also ZMR is the one to climb Mountain….. xxx

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Joel September 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm

Hey CBR 250R is also gonna hit the streets soon ;)

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priyesh October 15, 2011 at 6:47 pm

Always r15 yaar nice performance.:-)

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rahul November 5, 2011 at 7:20 pm

R 15 is much more better than any bikes..becoz….firstly for the frame its delta frame along with monosuspension….secondly yamaha r15 uses the piston which is used in r1 1000cc bike…which gives u ultimate performence….all of the above…please cheak on to new r15 2.0 version….

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Tapas November 29, 2011 at 2:51 pm

Karizma ZMR stands nowhere to a R15, R15 has international built quality while it’s engine is derived from YAMAHA’s racing DNA, and ZMR is totally a desi product giving only 17HP from a 220 cc engine, built quality also not so good, i have seen many ZMRs with their rear mudguard bent looking like a Hero cycle. R15 is the most powerful bike in the 150cc segment even it gives more than 40km/l mileage for normal city ride, guess for the long rides.

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The Ultimate R15 Rocker December 13, 2011 at 8:24 pm

Iam going to own R15 2.0……………………….. It ultimately rockzzzzzzzzz………… Zmr for family men not for teens……..

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hisham December 23, 2011 at 11:13 am

ZMR is rocking than R15……………………….

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naiju December 24, 2011 at 9:49 pm

r15 iz more better than zmr

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harshit January 3, 2012 at 9:38 am

zmr is rocking bike and it is above all . zmr has muscular body with 223cc and 17.7 bhp
r15 is most rubbish bike because it has only 149.0 cc and 17 bhp everybody goes on zmr because of it,s muscular body

zmr is 1.14 lacks
r15 is 1.22 lacks
just go for zmr because r15 is waste of money
go for zmr because it is cheaper than r15 and zmr has more power than r15 and the 2.0 version of r15 has no change only removing the old headlights and putting the projectors

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ishan mehta February 4, 2012 at 12:51 am

@harshit, u r fully right…
r15 is a waste of money unless u r son of AMBANI or BIRLA famalies…

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ishan mehta February 4, 2012 at 12:44 am

hello friendz…

think like this…

power
zmr 17ps & 18nm
r15 17ps & 15nm

zmr=1 r15=0

c.c.
zmr=223 r15=149.5
zmr=2 r15=0

mileage
zmr=40* r15=35*
zmr=3 r15=0

cost
zmr=1.4 L r15=1.2 L
ZMR=4……..r15=0

now u think which is better…….

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ishan mehta February 4, 2012 at 12:47 am

sorry
zmr cost=1.04 L and r15=1.2 L…..

R15is costlier…

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shudhansh (bhunnu) bhavnani February 5, 2012 at 2:47 pm

karizma zmr is best bike of india

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Mainak March 28, 2012 at 11:19 am

If we consider a pillion rider, then which bike is better in city?? nd wich 1 is better in touring??.. though u have said that r15 suits less weight best.. but does this extra pillion rider really matter in its performance in the city??

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shah April 14, 2012 at 9:45 am

just go for mini R1 for sports experince , after riding it u will be amazed to feel that u have experinced a complete sports bike, yh yamaha is for youngs and zmr is for aged one

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D.simson April 21, 2012 at 9:38 am

Hi R15 is good and nice look for all youths. am also have R15 with me and recently i got ZMR and now i feel more comfort with this then R15. Try ZMR and give comments. both are nice only. features are more in ZMR

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Vishnu Rajan August 13, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Hi guys, I had an R15 V1.0 earlier. Sold that and took Karizma ZMR. My old YAMAHA used to give me a FE of 25-35 based on my riding style, and my new Karizma gives me 45-50. But handling was better on R15. Also, ZMR has better stability on speeds above 100+ coz of it’s fairing weight and all.

Performance wise, R15 had better top end of 138 kmph, and Karizma top end is just 125kmph (My ZMR 2nd service is just over. Will check top end after 3rd service and share)
But when it comes to acceleration, ZMR can overtake an R15 at any speed range from 0-100. more than that, the acceleration lags bigtime.
Also in the comfort category, ZMR is waaaaaaaaayyyyy better than the R1 baby :)
No back pains, nothing…

So let me conclude.
If you use your bike for occasional touring, and bursts of race on highways or even normal roads, ZMR is your bike.
If you use your bike for racing only, and gives importance to beauty than comfort, go for R15.
Both bikes have reliable engines. According to me, I dont give importance to pulsar 220. Its a VFM. But you can hardly use the bike for just 2 to 3 years. Afterwards no refinement at all

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Dhinesh Kumar August 18, 2013 at 10:41 pm

Hai guys i wanted to buy a bike i have decided to go with ZMR but still confused please help me i need a clear idea about ZMR

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nitin March 22, 2014 at 4:17 pm

zmr is better than r15.

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