It was time for me to decide between Yamaha R15 and Bajaj Pulsar 220 in the month of January 2010, because I needed a very big change in my life and the biggest is changing my bike because I am so much passionate and my bike is a part of my life.
I am Deepak, 23. I was working for a BPO in Hyderabad. I was born and brought up in Visakhapatnam. My first bike is Bajaj Pulsar 150 DTSI which my dad bought for me when I was in degree second year. I hate riding others vehicles because I am always in fear of accidents and I never thought of myself in that fear but, I always thought of the sentiments and feeling attached to the bike by its owner as I do.
I learnt riding vehicles on my own except car as my parents are in fear of accidents that we all see daily. My first vehicle was Bajaj Chetak scooter, and I was in 8th Standard(year Y2k). Right from my cycling days in 7th standard (year 99) I am very much passionate about 2 wheelers. Out of my passion I started learning scooter which is available in my grandmother’s house. My mother’s brother was using it.
Every weekend my family used to go to my grandmother’s house and I used to push the scooter up the road and then I sit on it and learned balancing it all the down. I did this for almost every Sunday till 3 months. I promised my parents that I do not start the engine but once I succeeded in convincing them to switch on the engine after practicing to balance the vehicle well.
This is the day which I can never forget in my life. As usual I pushed the scooter up the road and sat on it. I know that I don’t have enough strength to start the engine by using its kick start but I am talented enough to start the engine by shifting up the gear and releasing the clutch when its well balanced while traveling down the road. I had enough of visual experience of this procedure but that was the first day when I implemented.
My experience can not be put in words but let me give it a try. First time when I decided to start the engine I was in fear so I did tried to start at all second time also I had a fear so I thought so many times and then I decided to shift up the gear and release the clutch and I did, but unfortunately it was already too late so the scooter stopped instead of starting the engine. And finally I realized that I am over cautious because all my relatives are watching me. So I asked everyone to resume to their work and I tried again. Friends this time I succeeded but when I accelerated it started I thought that was the last time I saw my parents.
I felt as if I am dying. My breath stopped for a while. I felt my heart was slowly following me and I am traveling too fast for it to reach me. Because it is traveling in 20kmph and 25kmph for accelerating it once in second gear. Immediately I applied breaks and stopped it so that my heart reaches me before my breath stops forever, but forgot to apply clutch so engine is off again. I was lost for a minute and then felt happy and was very eager to tell everyone that I started the engine by my own. This feeling is really inexpressible or more than what I expressed. Later practiced it well but always had the fear of over accelerating it.
That’s the day when I realized two wheels with an engine travels effortless when compared to the same two wheels with out an engine and yes I am talking about the difference between a scooter and a cycle.
As years passed by I grew up and moved to higher and higher classes but I did not improve my skills in riding scooter because its not well maintained and parents advised me to postpone my idea of improving my skills.
When I was in 10th standard my dad bought a Hercules cycle for me. By now you all must have understood that I am very much passionate in riding a 2 wheeler. I used to ride my cycle for 20kms on beach road, everyday at 5 am during summer holidays and Sundays are very special to me because only on Sundays I get a change to ride 10km to my grandmother’s house and 10km back home apart from the early morning ride of 20kms on beach roads. So almost all Sundays I had a chance of riding my cycle for 40 kilometers.
As I grew up my passion for 2 wheelers also increased. Because I had no experience in bike riding I decided to go for seconds. My first bike Bajaj Pulsar 150 DTSI 2004 model. Its was gifted by my dad. I had no experience in riding a bike but still I went for one of the heaviest bikes in 2005. Just like my days when I learnt on chetak I started learning Pulsar but this time I had less fear and soon after taking it into traffic all my fear just vanished. I thought I got something to satisfy my passion and so I did. I am the one who always participated and encouraged all my friends for long trips on bikes.
Before going for Pulsar I heard a lot about the increased accidents in my city and poor Pulsar is one of the reason for most of the accidents in fact it’s the only reason for accidents. Then I started enquiring about the reason for accidents. Most of my friends said all that’s because of the front disc break. One of my friends riding Pulsar 150 asked me if I am very much passionate in bikes and if I ride safely or not. My answer till date did not change and the answer is safety first no matter what happens. So he suggested to go for Pulsar to satisfy my passion. And so I did.
I had enough of memories with my bike I traveled to Araku valley which is 110km away from Visakhapatnam. I love to ride my bike on the mountain roads or curvy roads. And the longest distance traveled on my 150 cc bike is 160 kilometers way to Kakinada and back to Visakhapatnam totaling to 320 kilometers with my mom in single day. Hats off to my mom. She is worried of me and so she joins for a ride with me.
One sad morning most of those memories erased just like that and started making me depress day by day because people whom I liked the most left me with their memories with me and my bike and they were busy looking out for their own life. I am still struggling to come out of this situation as a part I decided to have major changes in my life so that my thoughts keep changing.
My bike kept me away from tears and pains: Because I love riding I always have my complete concentration on road and traffic so I forget every problem of mine when I am riding. I always ride happily.
And finally thr time has arrived for me to decide between Yamaha R15 and Bajaj Pulsar 220 in the month of January 2010, because I need a very big change in my life and the biggest possible for me is changing my bike.
I saved 50K and I thought of going for finance but fortunately as my brother decided to gift me a bike because I am very much interested in bikes.
(Thanks for your patience in reading my lengthy review but still I am yet to go about my Pulsar 220 DTSI.) Which bike should I go for: I like riding a lot so for me top speed and pick up matters a lot. So Pulsar 220 is the only one came to my mind but R15 also a good one I was confused to choose between these two. later while I was browsing the internet I realized that pulsar is worth for 80k and R15 is over priced.
I browsed internet and read magazine which made me know most of its features. Handling was good for pulsar 150 which I used and in one of the magazine’s I read that Bajaj improved its bike’s handling by the help of KTM technologies. And that’s true.
Bike Description which made me go for Pulsar 220 DTSi:
- It has 220 cc engine.
- Improved handling with the help of KTM bike Technology.
- It has multiple sensors one to stop engine when it bends more than 60 degrees helps avoid major accidents,
- 2 to check engine oil, 3 engine temperature if overheat, 4 blinkers automatic turn off just like cars do, 5 checks the battery, 6 checks if Oil cooler is working or not, 7 Automatic choke when required.
- Mileage is good. My bike gives 42 on highways. In city its not constant mostly its 30+
- Projector lamps: Pilot light is really awesome. Light travels far away from the place that you could concentrate with your eye while driving. Tubeless tires, Double disk break,
- All the above support very good for a bike with 21BHP and 19 NM. I was using its ancestor and I know that Pulsar 150 2004 model has no problems so I decided to go for Bajaj Pulsar 220.
First Ride Experience
Same feeling when I first learnt chetak (already mentioned above) I felt as if my heart is slowly following me and going tooooo fast. After riding it rear disk breaks fit for nothing is what I thought but I realized that I took 1 month to understand how to apply breaks to stop it when required. Rear break helps you controlling your bike and front break stops your bike. This is awesome when you travel at high speed. Possible to stop the vehicle with out getting the tires locked.
Main stand is too low and hit’s the ground every now and then. U-turn is literally not possible in narrow roads. I named my bike as Mini car in case of U-turn. Top speed and pickup is simply superb. I traveled at 133kmph with a pillion rider of 80kgs and myself 75kgs. Its is an un-forgetful ride when I raced with Maruti Swift and touched 133kmph.
Twice I met with accident: Once on my first bike while learning; I failed to carry its weight in corner and second one on my new bike. I was totally disturbed so went for a drive and took a bad hit on my face. A new learner with a driving school car took a sudden left without any signal from extreme right resulted to take a big hit on my face. 3 stitches above my eyebrow and 2 on my chin. Whatever happens my bike really keeps me away from tears. Happy for my passion on biking. Though I was wounded badly but I did not feel any pain because I was already struggling with bigger pain and thinking about it which was hurting me badly. It took 15 days to recover completely.
I love long rides and so I did many till now. My longest ride on my new Pulsar 220 DTSI is Hyderabad to Visakhapatnam 700kilometers in 9 and 1/2 hours of traveling time. Much faster than a Volvo bus. A snap at Vijayawada is shown below.
400kilometers non-stop from Vijayawada to Visakhapatnam and no change is observed in bike behavior. Recently I traveled 106 km to have my lunch and 106 back home for dinner. If my mood is off I go for a ride and fix it.
Every now and then I go for a long trip and two planned as of now one is 160 km one way to Kakinada for a week days trip and other is mentioned below. ODO meter reading 7800Kms done so far.
This is how my bike kept me and keeps me away from pain when in problems and still it does the same for me. I planned to start my career as a racer but I had to stop thinking on those lines as my parents asked me not to do that. How ever I am planning to go for a bike tour for couple of days in Andhra Pradesh still need to convince my parents. While righting this I took a chance to convince my mom first and she accepted but after 5 years and that too with my wife.
I thought of sharing everything so I did not try to cut short. Thanks for spending time on my very long review. Like to hear from you. 
- Venkata Deepak
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Awesome! Another great ownership review in this week. This is just getting better and better. Bikeadvice is fast becoming the no.1 place for bike ownership reviews. Thanks for the contribution!
Thank you too Deepak. I like to mention that this is the first time I posted in about me and my bike. Going forward I do my best to make it the best. Anyways I love bikes so this website should be my permanent site to post in case I have anything.
AWESOME,I LIKED IT VERY MUICH
Nice review but too many grammatical mistakes!Are there no moderators in bikeadvice to look into such things?
We will take care from next time onwards. Thanks for pointing out.
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I like to thank my brother as well who gifted my dream.
Very good review……………
I m also planning to buy Pulsar220 but confuse between New R15, ZMR & Pulsar220.
Plz help me to take right decision.
go for 220 bro its ultimate
i would like to be ur friend on facebook.. as m also very passionate abt bikes.
Nice one Deepak V ride safe and keep it well
Mr Deepak Raj, please don’t publish the photographs like the one in this review, I did not expect this from a great site like yours.
Let me know which photograph you are pointing to. Is it the first one?
Absolutely, what made you think like that, bro?
I have searched all over the internet and nowhere except in India I have seen pics of bikers without helmets.
The fellow in first pic is stunting without helmet, the pillion is holding the helmet instead and laughing.
I give a challenge to everyone, search for any international bike site for eg. any H-D, Ducati, Yammie or Suzuki bike pic with biker riding it without protective gear and I’ll pay all the money you want.
totally agree with u man..
safety first..
@amol birje.
I hav got sum pic of guys riding on ducatis without their gears.
Now I want the money….
Jus joking.
Safety is the 1st priority in automobile world.
Made me rememb my young days when even vehicles like puch n mopeds got me very excited..Do v hv to order for fi version nowadays??carb version gives arnd 35…fi version shud give more.. mileage is low in ur case
most of the times in city I get no chance to shift up to 4th gear at least. when I was in hyderabad same bike gave me 47 and rarely 49.5 also.
I used to travel 10km without any hault. In vizag I hardly ride in 5th or even 4th gears so I as the mileage when in city. and I dont ride more than a kilometer sometimes.
now a days I dont think CARB version is available.
Bro u r stating opposite..carb version is wat v r getting..dats y i asked if fi version is available on order
Ravi,
Sorry for intruding abruptly, I see that you have a CBZ – Xtreme, and Im facing a problem with the protective engine plate below the engine, it’s touching the exhaust pipe and making a lot of noise. Can I remove it?
Bro dat plate shud not be touching the exhaust pipe in the first place…there is good gap b/w da two….hv u tried tightening of screws???
I’ve tried tightening the screws but no avail. I’ve taken it four mechanics and all of them tell some bullshit and tell me that I’ve to take that plate off. It’s been 2 months and it’s still bugging me. The ride is not comfortable after 70!
Btw, I met with an accident some time ago and my rear light has a hole in it (just the exterior plastic casing) and the exhaust pipe heat cover got thrashed. I’ve asked the hero honda people for a quote and they said that I’ve to change the entire rear electrical set. Should I do it?
Sorry for the bombardment with questions, I really don’t know who to ask!
Pawan join extreme community on orkut(with arnd 6800 odd members) i presume u hv an orkut account…post whatevr doubt/query u hv n it wil be answered..C ya there bro
Pawan
N if u dont hv orkut a/c make one just for the sake of extreme community/ur bike…like i did:-)
I post all my questions related to xtreme there..
this is good for those who already owned a bike and those who are going to be owner of new one, because this article explains owner should passionate about their two wheeler.
Hats off to ur’s mom:) i like that line toooooo much
You review was very good. But i want to ask you something that the model which you chose is pulsar 220 fuel injected or carb version please let me know.
Akshit your question is correct. I check with Deepak Raj asking to change it to DTSI. My bike is carb version. I forgot to mention it in subject line and its confusing now.
this is 220 dtsi bro…. Not dts-fi
good review,nice bike…..
any one has any idea what happened to mahindra mojo?? after the launch i havnt heard of it or seen it either.
Launch was only for Stallio, for Mojo it was only to showcase the bike.. bike should be available in showrooms by Jan/Feb 2011.. going by the info given at the time of launching it.
oh ok thanks for the info
Saying that the R15 is overpriced is a perfect example of ignorance. The R15 has better handling, better looks, better braking, FI, liquid cooled, DiASiL, most refined engine in india. It does not vibrate like a hell in excess of 110kmph and the list is endless. Another thing to note, no offence, but please improve your English
Very true. R15 shouldnot be compared to p220. R15 belongs to a different leage.
You may be right but I am looking into top speed, pickup and handling should be sufficient to handle it at top speed. Looks are something that I never bothered of. More over R15 has 150cc engine and rear wheel is not so impressive, both these factors stopped me from looking at it. I would have gone for R15 if it has a 200 CC engine and bigger rear wheel. coming back to engine sound or vibrations, even at 130kmph P220 is not vibrating. R15 is built from a sports vehicle DNA so I too understand that it is better than city bikes but not faster than the fastest. I know that no R15 user is unhappy for making their choice. similarly I am happy for my choice. In city highways only bike that compete with me is R15 but I always win when the speed is above 100kmph or 110 kmph(sorry for not being specific in what speed I win the race because in city theres no chance of looking the speedometer when travelling at high speed). and my choice is correct because I mostly win the race. I am not talking about R15 with the sports kit.
agree wat u said above…..but p220 is not vibrating at 130 kmph/hr r u kidding…just check next time when drive at the same speed…especially the handle bars and rear portion of the bike…nice review anyhow…
This is a nice review on 220.I am planning to by 180 but want to compare with Apache 180.so how many person preferred Apache.i need also review on Apache.
@Debajit,dude same problem here,even i am confused between P180 and A180….according to reviews A180 is a better opt but pulsar is not a bad option i think…A180 has a big problem(VIBRATIONS)…thats why i am confused!
Both P and A are craps. Do you really want to waste your money? I recommend you an FZ-16 instead. It may not be that powerful. But I think you shouldn’t compromise quality for a mere 1.1234 or 2.1234 bhp difference. FZ has got better quality and the feel you get from FZ will be totally different from cheap Pulsar and Apache craps.
Hi Debajit.. just ignore Achiever.. he can’t look past Yamaha.. did you take test ride of A180& P180? that should clear some doubts.. P180 is better option IMO..as it’s more composed on highways at 100+ speeds. On the other hand A180 is also good choice.. it’s got great initial pickup, but much talked about vibrations could be irritant to some.. I don’t have any personal experience with A180 though.. as far as P180 goes.. it’s tried and tested.. and a superb bike, no doubt on that.
ya. . I agree with Mr. Achiever!! In these bikes, i’d suggest fz. . .
btw Mr. Achiever, are you some brand ambassidor of Yamaha quality assurance.??
i’m seeing you in every pulsar review, you just talk abt yamaha Quality. . .
do you own a pulsar??
i own both fz16 n pulsar 220. . . No doubt fz has much smoother engine.. but to tell you, d quality of the engine depends on how you maintain it.. i missed one servicing of my fz n it started gives problems with its electronics specially with d horn n starting n d engine occasionally dies during idling… (I’ll get these things fixed d next servicing..) but my pulsar is still going strong without a single complain…
D reason is maintanance!!
to everyone:
You may have any bike right from a scooty to ninja…
It wont last long till you care for it like your baby.. . . Be passionate… Respect n Love your bike like Mr. Venkata deelip(i salute your attachment towards ur bike n a salute to your mom too..). . . .
take care.. Ride safe.:-)
@Debajit
Jus go for p180 man. bcoz i rode my friend’s A180 and you cannot go triple digits with a pillion, it ill increase the risk of accidents. But p180 is popular for its stability and braking at higher speeds.
A180 is also good one and its initial accelaration is simply superb, but lacks on smoothness and safety. Ignore ACHIEVER’s comment as he was the brand ambassador of yamaha. He enters into all bajaj related posts and flaging yamaha as superior.
jus ignore achiever. Fz is only show off no power. u cn test ride tht crap bike..
the theme of ur review is xcellent…
nice memories of urs…
im xpecting mre review frm u, wid better technical details…
Aalap naidu, thank you for sharing your views. your suggestions are taken.
please dont post these kind of photos …
the one with hands off the handle bar..
if he isnt intrested in his safty u tohh atleast should understand..
please remove that pic..
That snap was taken when I just crossed 18. Now I am at 23. had enough experience to understand what safety on a whole means. Now I am not riding my bike without a helmet. I understood what readers expect so next time I do meet the expectations.
thank you for your feedback.
Wish you safe ride.
Good to see people do long write ups. But the technical details are all messed up. You should do a more thorough check before putting down them as facts.
AFAIK the bike does not have sensors to switch off the engine when it bends over 60 degrees. Improved handling has nothing to do with0 KTM.
And please do not post pictures when you are riding without helmets. Please promote safe riding.
I am new in publishing articles so I need a lot to understand what is expected. Next time I make sure that most readers are satisfied with my article.
This video might be useful to understand if KTM technology is used in Pulsar or not. Handling might have nothing to do with KTM technology but its not mentioned clearly even in the video below. AFAIK and my understanding KTM tech is used and it improved the whole bike’s performance.
I came to know about KTM tech being used in Pulsar by reading a magazine which published couple of years ago.
If you still dont agree and have something to explain then I am ready to understand. I like to know more about bikes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJMQrdIdPI&feature=channel
Note: Listen carefully at 3minutes 40 seconds.
Awesome review. I really liked it.
Snaps are nice.
Overall good
Thank you for your Positive feedback.
Hi Buddy..
That’s a nice review..just to quote you “My bike kept me away from tears and pains: Because I love riding I always have my complete concentration on road and traffic so I forget every problem of mine when I am riding. I always ride happily”.. that’s what I feel whenever I ride my bike.. I forget everythingelse when I’m on my bike..
Wish you safe riding Pulsar boy. Thanks for your positive feedback.
I THOUGHT UR GirlLFRieND LEFT you..
but last lines say you hav a wife,,,,actually ,who left you???
hehehe
nice question Arun. Fact is, two of my trusted friends made me fought with them. I like them but willfully they made me fight with them. and left them forever. Nothing to do with my girlfriend or wife.
@Venkata Deepak
no offence dude didn’t like your review…..its a bit confusing…..n repititve……
then again review ur bike not urself or ur riding….little is ok but u hardly specified anything…..also write about ur servicing, riding in rains, high speed, etc…..avoid bicycle experience…..
Suggestions taken. Just to mention about a point you mentioned above “riding in rains” I love riding in rains but did a mistake in choosing my helmet. my helmet restricts my vision when there is no sunlight and I have power glasses can not ride without helmet and glasses. So finally I can not ride in rain. did a mistake in choosing my helmet
. however one of my tours recently made me ride in rain and its horrible in terms of my vision. coming to my bike; its irritating when the mud catches my legs and even more irritating when the mud catches the knee guard and later it sprinkles (due to speed) on the pants. problem should be there with the design of the mud guards. P150 2004 model was far better in that case.
Had problem with my first servicing so I emailed it to customer care and 2 days later every problem was taken care by the manager of the service center. there after no issues.
High speed: starting 3rd gear you can rev it as hard as we can. I saw 70kmph in 3rd gear. Top speed experience: for the first time I am shocked for its breaking system. I was at 110kmph, overtaking a lorry which was roughly at 70kmph. Lorry driver did not expect me to be there so fast so he decided to overtake another lorry and blocked my way to overtake. I applied and expected that my rear wheel locks and front to reduce but to my surprise non of the breaks locked the wheels but bike’s speed dropped by 60%. I know about P150′s breaks so expected same out of P220. so breaking system exceeded my expectations.
most users compare one bike to another of same segment and I also did that and felt that P220 has something that I need so I choose P220. While riding I am good with P150 so expectations are slightly higher, but P220 exceeded. So I am happy.
vibrations at high speed: P220 vibrations at high speed is much lesser that apache’s vibrations at 50kmph. My average speed is just 80kmph, so no worries of vibrations at high speed. there are no vibrations at all at 80kmph to that matter even at 110Kmph I do not feel much. May be like many said, may not be like R15 but not worse or atleast bad.
Nice review but there is no KTM tech or influence in the P220.
Thank you fas for commenting and letting me know your view, however please whatch the video below to know more. I am ready to know more if you have something to explain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJMQrdIdPI&feature=channel
Video above at 3 min 40 sec should be helping to understand if KTM has something to do with Pulsar or not.
yah dnt promote fotos havin no helmet . . .
sensor for automatic switch off,when the bite is inclined for 60 degree ? . . . and ktm technology for handling ? wow! cool things bajaj has being introduced !
Deepak(admin), you shouldn’t those pics in which riders riding the motorcycle without any helmet, like in the first picture.
Venkata,Nice passionate review anyway.
Really superb this review tells all about your experience
As pointed out by many people. I agree it was a mistake to have published the pic without helmets. I have removed it.
Thank god this is a blog and not a print magazine
Thanks bro, I really appreciate that our suggestions are always valued through your website, hat off!!!!!
@Deepak…you have said “It has multiple sensors one to stop engine when it bends more than 60 degrees helps avoid major accidents,”
Can you let me know all the sensors name…as for the stop engine censor it is called Bank Angle Sensor; it is already there in HH Glamour Fi, Stunner Fi, Karizma ZMR Fi…so what new in this…also i doubt it is in P220 Fi…kindly confirm… and wait for the censors name you are mentioned in review…
@ Lokesh – It’s not multiple sensors, it’s known as “Bank Angle Sensor” Which is also present on Pulsar 220 Fi.
@Venkata Deepak
I understand your love for your bike. However it is not adviceable to ride it when you are disturbed or upset as it keeps occupying your mind compromising your concentration leading to undesired consequences.
True and accepted. I met with accident in a similar situation also this is the only way I get rid of my problems. I am one who always test my brain and its ability. I dig into minors most of the time. I always analyse and understand. So now I do not have any fear for accidents. I am not saying I never face any accident in future but I am saying I can escape from taking major hits. After all this its all about luck.
, I definitely follow it when my blood pressure is little bit High otherwise I have no alternate.
Thank you for your suggestion
Also while I am hungry I don’t ride. unless its important to complete my work. But for sure I don’t race when hungry.
Hi All…
Would like to inform you all readers there are no sensors in P220Fi….or S model…like Reviewer Deepak mention here…i also doubt any Bank Angel Sensor as Glamour Fi, Stunner Fi and Karizma ZMR Fi is there in P220…This is not a new technology invented by Bajaj…it was already developed by Honda here in India…
I also own a same bike and learner too. i met an accident one day and the front fairing left side got damaged. Have you any idea that how much will it cost to repair the front fairing every thing else (lights, meter ,etc are fine and not scrached).
Munish Kumar, the front faring costs around 2k. this info is given to me by a service delear. I am lucky coz only left blinker was damaged and not clearly visible scratches on the faring.
My suggestion if you have no issues. go to a local guy who does all painting work and check with him. know all details before you finalize with him. when I checked for mine in hyderabad, he said it costs around 180 to 200 rs to fix it. I asked for color variation and his answer was “only one bit variation you can see and that difference is because of old and new coatings. So check well before you go for it.
Thanks Deepak!
Thanks a lot for suggestion. One more ques. Which type pf helmet do you prefer. openface or fullface.
Dude I love riding my bike and I am like racing always. So I am prepared for every dam thing that may happen while racing on streets. To be specific I am a safe rider but not rash. If I have to give up the race because the other rider is rash I just don’t mind giving up.
Specially for my case I took a convertible helmet. You can see it clearly in the first picture. It costs around 1600/- Rs. I suggest everyone a full cover helmet.
However dude remember one thing if you are with power glasses then I suggest you full covered helmet with transparent wind guard(from which you see the road) if not you just cant ride your bike, in rain, like me.
Just curios,
You have mentioned ” Improved handling with the help of KTM bike Technology”
Then why did u fall during turn?
As per my experience, it has great power but not an excellent handling for corners. I think RTR’s are better but not so powerful as p220. I think TVS has better R & D team as an Indian company after moving out from Suzuki. This is my personal opinion.
Just to correct you I met with an accident because of a Driving school car took sudden left. there are no turnings on the road its a straight plain road.
I was at 60′s and car was at 20′s and travelling from right corner of the road. its impractical to overtake from right at that particular situation so I reached the left corner of the road to move forward and without any warning or signal new learner in the car took a sudden left my front wheel is at the rear wheel of the car. I still tried to manage the situation by applying sudden breaks and succeeded in stopping my bike from hitting the car but I couldn’t control its momentum and fell down.
Just imagine applying break to bring it to halt from 60′s to 0 is no joke unless you do that willfully. By the way I was working in night shift and didn’t sleep all day which made me even week to handle 153 kgs + the speed.
When I was a novice rider I couldn’t carry the weight of Pulsar 150cc (old bike) in corners. I guess you are mixing up both the cases.
however as what you said P220 at corners is not so good because of its weight, but its still better compared to 150cc Pulsar 2004 which I owned prior to 220. I am not sure of RTR’s but R15 is much lighter so easy to handle.(i guess R15 kerb weight is between 125 to 135 kgs)
I certainly understand one thing. i am comfortable driving P220 and RTR but uncomfortable on R15 for longer ride times due to sitting posture. When i am driving my bike it should not tell me that – dude i cannot go beyond this speed. Even at higher speeds it should be there for me to accelerate.
I dont want to be in an embarrassment when there is pillion at the back and my bike seems to give up on me. P220 promises me that advantage.
Capacity of the engine to pull a heavier rider/pillion is very important without compromising on acceleration and top speed. In this respect without any disrespect meant to any of the bikes, I would prefer the bikes as per the rank below (1-best and others are rest)
1) P220
2) R15 , ZMR
3) P180
4) RTR
I had a test drive on all these above vehicles till date. P220 is heavier on the handling side, R15 and ZMR are similar – no difference found. But on any given day in hyderabad P220 survives the battle between P220, R15, ZMR. During street races understood that R15 is dam good when it competes with P220 with a driver and a pillion; ZMR is good in traffic but it looses out in speed and acceleration when racing with P220.
Everybody please note that ZMR and P220 have good capability to pull heavier loads than R15.
Looking at the price, ability of the engine, styling, acceleration, top speed – i picked up P220 to be the better choice till date.
One question I would like to ask all bikers – Is it advantageous to have higher torque at lower RPM or is it a disadvantage? P220 can generate higher torque at lower RPM and R15 can generate the same at higher RPM.
Venkat Deepak @ Feedback is good… But you hold a good chance of improving it. Read it twice or thrice and you can make a better one of out of it.
All those who bought P220 will not regret buying it. All those R15 for styling and not for topspeed, will never regret. All those who bought ZMR thinking that its far better than Karizma (older one) then its only the faring and nothing else for which you are charged the premium.
@Rajashekhar –
In simple terms power = torque * rpm.
So 2 bikes having same power and same weight (with other parameters similar) are likely to have similar top speed. The acceleration however is more dependent on gear ratio than torque.
Coming to your question, it is commonly considered that higher torque at lower rpms gives you a more driveable engine inside city than higher torque at higher rpms. The reason being that most people tend to ride at lower rpms by default and wont say ride at 7 or 8k rpms often. So at 5k rpm (most people ride at this rpm or lower in city), obviously the one with higher torque feels more powerful.
But if you are really racing on track or dragging there wont be much difference at what rpm you develop higher torque as long as peak power is high.
i enjoyed reading his childhood things…
not a great review about 220 but great review of a biker..the love for bikes.!
ride safely.!
hi, thanks for that amazing review. i specially liked your way of learning to ride. you seem to be a great guy with a heart that’s both patient and strong. cheers my friend. take care and never stop riding.
Dont ever say that yamaha r15 is overpriced…its foolish to say like this.you have pulsar 220 and thats great…but bro, it will never be able to come nearer to yamaha R15 in terms of engine refinement and technology.and yes pulsar 220 do vibrates at top speed just like any other pulsar does..
you can defeat a yamaha r15 in pickup but when it comes to cornering, yamaha r15 will just throw you out.And no roads are straight and every roads have twist and curves.
Any way side safe and it was a passionate review.
exactly.
Pulsar is nowhere near technology,the stability, durability, refinement R15 has. it has even undergone wind tunnel testing.
Bajaj strategically have prized the P220 so low that people would think the R15 is overprized. Its called marketing. To understand this all you need is some common sense. no need of an MBA or some 3 letter degree. and the best part is, it has worked for bajaj !!
Absloutely right!!
your are exactly correct. I guess you get to see all these differences in every sports bike baby and a new generation city bike. If these many differences are not there then I say that R15 in as worst as possible. But I like to say Pulsar got everything that I need because of which I say R15 is overpriced.
Every time when people talk about R15 I see they always talk about most of the features which every sports bikes should have. how big different is R15 from remaining sports bike?
most R15 features described are very good for a race track. If you talk about city I would only see a city which has a junction or a signal point every 1 km or max 2 km.
Bajaj know what a city bike needs so they built the P220 with what all it need to a max in city and a minimum while travelling long distance. So bajaj priced it so less. If Pulsar undergone for wind tunnel test etc etc just like a sports bike like R15 then P220 price had also gone up just like R15′s.
FOR ME COMMON SENSE IS THIS!!!!!
You Said “,the stability, durability, refinement R15 has. it has even undergone wind tunnel testing.” and immediate line talks about common sense in pricing P220. I don’t see any commonsense used in writing that comments.
Finally P220 has Lot of power than R15 which is what I need. R15 has lot of features which a sports bike rider need. So people are making their decision.
People using P220 like me say R15 overpriced cause it do not have power but has everything that a sports bike need.
COMMON SENSE for me is when I am getting something that I need at 80k why would I go for 110K which has something that I do not need. I wish r15 is made with 200cc engine and a wider rear tire or at least with R125 looks.
no offence in saying all the above.
@venkat
You are taking about common sense in every lines.ok mr.common sense according to you pulsar has got power but since yamaha r15 is a racing bike so it dont have power.are you kidding me.?? It has got everything that a sports bike need except power…man you have a great common sense.any biker with a little common sense will never say that yamaha r15 is over priced.got it.
You are taking about power ok here it goes.put your pulsar against a racing kit installed r15 in any kind of road and see who has got what power.
We have yamaha R15 and we know what it is capable of. And along with common sense we know that good thing dont come in cheap.so stop saying that R15 is over priced because it sounds like a sort of “poor gay jokes”.
Who have seen a company going back to carburatted version from fuel injected version just to improve the speed and power.common tell me.??
Get some common sense…
There is absolutely no use giving advice people with “pulsar mania”.
“P220 has ‘Lot of power’ than R15 which is what I need.” ???????????!!!!
That sounds like he has got a bike in the lines of DUCATI and R1 is just a commuter!
What actually these pulsar / apache fans are boasting about “LOT OF POWER” is a mere 10 / 20 / 30 / 50 CC difference. I feel strange when they argue for a meagre 1.1234 or 2.1234 bhp difference and a few milli-seconds difference in acceleration and may be 10kmph difference in topspeed and claim that they got these SUPER BIKES for around 60,000-70,000 RS. I am not supporting Yamaha. But compared to pulsar/apache, R1 is still better.
I know, despite of its technical excellence, R-15 also has got a lot of downsides. Yamaha has made a huge mistake by introducing a mediocre product like R-15 that doesn’t satisfies both segments. It is clear that they wanted to introduce a performance bike, at the same time they wanted to keep it around Rs1-lakh. And that’s where they failed. In order to keep the price around 1, they seems to have compromised a lot of things and finally came up with a half-finished product (skinny tires, overall small size, poorly designed rear end). If they had done a better market research and introduced a better finished/balanced product like an “R-125″ under RS 1.5 L, it would have been a better success for them.
I still don’t understand why india get all the crappy bikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I hope products like KTM-125 and Honda CBR-250 will be introduced with in few months time so that these ignorant pulsar/apache fans will realize what a real bike looks like!
well Mr. Commonsense,
your points are right considering that you mentioned ‘what I need’ with every statement regarding the P220. However ‘What YOU need’ is not always ‘what I need’ or ‘what SOMEBODY ELSE needs’.
can’t you apply some Commonsense there too ?
and those tyres on the r15. Don’t underestimate them. They are much much better than any other stock tyres that come with any indian bike. Maybe they used thin ones to increase the FE a bit.
MIND YOUR LANGUAGE MR.Swarup. DO NOT COMMENT WHITHOUT READING SOMETHING FROM THE START to END. I talked about common sense because the guy named “eliksir” in the above had something to talk about common sense.
KNOW THE MEANING OF COMMON SENSE before both eliksir and you talk about it. Something which is known to you or understood by you easily without anyones help is what you feel to be common sense and similarly others think. On those lines something which is common to me may not be common to you and others.
If this is about a law or a traffic rule that is common to all, then u can talk about common sense, but there is no rule saying that only a hitech bike should go round on the indian roads, so I can make my decision to purchase a bike. So have you sense synchronized with others before you talk about sense in common. If you are a big FAN OF YAMAHA THEN F–K WITH IT.
I love riding at 80′s and I need a bike that keeps my running cost low and a bike that is fast or fastest and a bike that keeps me first when the signal is green at junctions and a bike that does not allow someone else to overtake me when I decide to go first and a bike that carries a pillion with a weight of 90kgs without any problem and a bike that allows me to travel 200km without a halt & without any problem and a bike with a comfortable ride position(may not be the best riding position) and bike with a considerable price range. I never expected the best, but a good bike that satisfies most of the above if not all is ok for me.
Why didn’t you go for a DUCATI or R1? Do you feel that both of these bikes lack in technology or do they do not have anything more than R15?Something that made you stop at R15 made me stop at P220.
I never looked for RACING or a SPORTS BIKE. I have my own set of priorities. If I say R15 is the best sports bike is it ok for you? now someone else come up to me and say “fucking R15 I have a Ninja 250/650 etc etc” and that is common sense to them.
When someone asks you for water if you give cool drink to him/her and say its colourful, its tastier, carbonated water and added flavours to make it attractive well packed in a aluminium tin and finally say its just 20rs, where you get mineral water for 10 rupees and see what happens. We drink cool drinks occasionally but not daily or instead of water. For me common sense is this, if its not the same for you then I do not have any issues and I am even not bothered to convince you.
someday I purchase a ninja to enjoy when ever possible and keep my P220 or some other bike for my daily use. R15 is a kind of a bike which I can not use it daily or occasionally. As someone rightly said in the below comments R15 does not suit the six way NH7 and it does not suit the India dirty roads.
How many of you people see guys with R15 making their parents to sit on their back seat and go for a ride. I did not see any in my city and not sure if anyone really does that and if someone is doing so, its really great no issues. If no one with R15 doing this then its clear than it can not be used on daily bases. I do this on my P220 when ever there is a need to do(almost every 3 days I take my mom)
Hell lot of people talked a lot about r15′s technology, A small and clear example for them: use the basic model of Nokia cell phone, like 1100 and a phone with all new and latest features and tell me which phone made you go round the service centres more number of times. same goes with R15. Check out all complains in customers complains, filed against Yamaha R15 and P220 be it a manufacturing defect or servicing defect, to know by yourself.
In the above cell phone example you can not completely accpet saying 1100 cell phone is the best one because it did not make you to service center and at the same time you can not make people say hitech phone has 1000′s of features so its good and great. Similarly R15 is a kid of a Great sports bike R1 which has undergone 100′s and 1000′s of tests, and P220 is a new generation and a improved version bike on which 100′s and 1000′s of tests are going on to make people like you or R15 fans beleive that P220 is also a considerable bike.
Someone talked about Fi and carb version and for all of them:
today I tune my carb on my own so when I decide to go slow becaue of some reason then I reduce the pick up of my bike to gain more mileage. If I have no reasons for going so slow then I bring it to normal and enjoy my regulay ride. because my bike is carb version its so handy for me to set it according to the situation. My bike gives me a mileage of 38kmpl in city when the carb is with factory settings and when I customise, its mileage is improved to 44kmpl in city. I hardly travelled out of city in recent times. (practised all this with the help of this website only. I am experimenting a lot on this to gain knowledge on engine’s health and mileage as well, for the last 4 days. you u all be able to make all this if its a FI. P220 does not need any tool to tune the carb., just the key of the bike is enough.
Once again I am telling everyone who has something to comment: My bike, P220 satisfied me till date. I have 100′s or priorities which made me go for it. I never said R15 is hell and its fit for nothing. I accept that R15 is one of the best or the best in its segement (this statement is PURELY DEPENDENT ON INDIVIDUAL COMMON SENSE, so take it the way you want). Finally I am not a BIG TIME FAN OF BAJAJ and an enemy of YAMAHA and Hero Honda etc etc.
To everyone plese stop fighting. If you have something to share thats Great I welcome such people.
I saw another review in the same website written by a person who used all the 3 or 2 bikes(P220 and R15 not sure if karizma is a part) which are considered to be THE BEST as per general public’s openion and decided to sell R15 for his own priorities. I am not sure if he sold it or not but thats something he wrote in his review. R15 fans if you like to check out why? then go search for the review.
hey i have a comment written for you and Mr.eliksir. I mean for someone who dont even know the meaning of common sense and still talk about it.
@venkat
Good answer..
kudos! 
specially d line, ” something that made you stop at r15 is what made me stop at p220…”
that explains all…
jeez man. WTF is wrong with you ? I only said that R15 isn’t overpriced for the features it provides or the technology it has. I hope you understand english !!
when did i say something like everyone should buy the R15 ??
and you’re comparing your pulsar to a nokia 1100. LOL. thats hilarious.
Had you compared it something from Karbonn or Micromaxx, i wouldn’t have said anything about it, but to a nokia. LOL.
Pulsar is like a Karbonn or some chinese phone. has everything, but highly unreliable. Their speaker volume is much higher than an iPhone or a galaxy s or a desire HD. In fact, they have the loudest speakers of all mobiles in india. This can be compared with the top speed of the P220. more than any other indian bike. The karbonn comes at a really cheap price compared to the iPhone, same like the P220 is cheap compared to R15. The Karbonn gives long battery life compared to an iPhone, the same way the P220 gives more mileage. And the build quality of karbonn is cheap, just like that of P220.
Comparing phones to bikes is dumb but since you’ve done it, i’d say, choose the right one for comparison.
Ask any mechanic in your city whether a pulsar or an R15 visits his garage for repairs.
BTW, about being the fastest bike, the P220 is the fastest only on a straight roads. The R15 beats the crap out of it in corners. Can you do 90+ in a corner on a P220? Now don’t come up with something like you have done it lot of times because no one would believe it because it is simply not possible !!
About the riding conditions, i believe you are an indian too. I don’t think you drive only along straight roads. There are no indian roads without turns and corners. The heavy P220 is by far not the easiest bike to handle these twists and turns. The R15, the FZ and the RTR can do much better than pulsar in turns and corners.
And the R15 has no problems with long distances. It can go on for over 500km without any rest. (check for saddlesore rides on IBA).
And did i say R15 is the best sports bike out there ??
The Ninja beats the hell out of the R15. And FYI the Ninja is the best 250cc bike in the world.
Good that you brought up the Mineral water/ carbonated water(say pepsi) thing. Lets say mineral water costs 10 and pepsi costs 15. What you are saying is that pepsi is overpriced at 15. What i am saying is that pepsi is not just water. It contains other additives and sweeteners and is made by a world class company and so its price is justified at 15. In case you still dont get it, water != pepsi. Forget common sense, you have a perception and understanding problem.
You’ve got the meaning of common sense right, but failed to use it. maybe you don’t have it. I hope things work out well for you. All the best with your life !
Good eliksir, but first correct yourself with my name. I have a name “Deepak” better you use it instead of naming me with what ever you like.
there’s a small confusion in understanding:
I did not reply the whole message to you. The first part of the comment (first 7lines) are for you also and its just because you also addressed me saying Mr.commonsense So I had to take your name there.
R15 has got everything that a sports bike need so it is priced high. But when a person is looking for a bike with mileage 75kmpl you cant show him R15. similarly on my priorities I decided for P220, you cant show me R15. People who spoke a lot about R15 mostly said as if my decision is wrong in going for P220. Instead they should have directly mentioned the specifications or something that they liked in it and say “R15 is not overpriced”.
Almost all of the R15 fans said as if they are trying to convince me on my priorities. Which is not so good, and the result is what you already seen.
when my priorities change to have a sports bike only then I think about R15, but then I may go for Ninja 250.
You rightly said R15 is very good at corners no doubt in it. P220 has got a lot of power so the straight line immediate after the curve give me every chance to overtake it again. If you are purely talking about the mountain roads or a race track which have a curve every 50 and 100 mts. then you are 100% correct and there is no second thought. P220 main stand does not allow you to take a perfect turn. Even if the main stand is removed still you may not be able to take a perfect curve( I am not sure). But all this is a mandatory for a bike like R15. I do not race officially for that matter I don’t do that illegal also, so I don’t have to worry about cornering at 90′s or 100′s. Till date I did not cross 70 to 75 kmph at a 90degrees curve. I am not talking about a perfect “L” shape road or “T” junctions but a curvy road where the road is app. 90degrees deviated from straight and the road is built with good angle of banking.
I always race from traffic signal to the next only when I see R15. I guess you know about National Highway-5 that passes through Vizag, its with very little curves except for 1 at the beginning of the city. R15 riders in vizag who race with me at those traffic signals does not win if I am on my P220.
My only expectation for a sports bike is; it should win all bikes in city but unfortunately R15 does not (talking about Stock R15). I wish Sports kit is provided along with bike but not at a additional cost. Any ways thats Yamaha’s decision.
If a sports bike dose not win a bike which is priced much lesser than the sports then I don’t feel comfortable at all, no matter what big technology it has I am just not comfortable on it. If I am an owner of R15 I do not try or dare to race with p220 at city traffic lights JUST because I don’t want to loose after crossing 100 or 110kmph. But definitely try to organize a race with lot of turnings on the track, be it legal or illegal. But organizing races is something that I do not do at all.
At the same time R15′s mileage is also as much as P220′s. R15 in my opinion is like neither this nor that kind. So the point from where I looked at it is always Overpriced which most people do not like because their opinion is different from me and again the entire story begins. Any way this is my personal opinion which I wanted to share but nothing much to do with other’s opinion. I am not trying to convince anyone’s idea who read this. R15 has great technology in it but from the point from where I look at it, seems to be overpriced for me(this is purely my idea and nothing much to discuss on it)
Thanks for everyone who commented on my review and experience with my bike.
aha… finally something sensible
Agreed that when considers his priorities some bikes may seem overpriced. But i was being general and only said that the R15 isn’t overpriced if you consider the features/technology it has. Anyways, no more talk about it. Ultimately its the user’s choice and user’s priorities. You set your priorities and you made your choice. good for you. The P220 is the ideal choice for your priorities. no comments on that
Racing between R15 and a P220 on a straight road is kinda rubbish because you’re comparing two bikes of totally different class. The P220 is a 21bhp monster and the R15 has only 17bhp. Its like comparing a 400w speaker and a 1000w speaker to see which one produces more volume.
But if you take the same bikes to a track its a totally different story. Its like a 1000w speaker producing more volume than 400w speaker
The R15 being a sports bike, designed mainly for the track has its power concentrated in the high rpms. Its because on track you are in the low rpms only at the start of the race and at all other points you are really fast. Corners are done at 60+. When it comes out of a corner it would be in its high rpms and the bike having its power in the high rpms would accelerate real fast.
The p220 reaches 1-100 in a jiffy and then starts dying slowly, wheras the R15 wakes up only when it reaches 100. I’m not sure about this but the R15 takes lesser time than P220 in 100-140kmph
BTW, about the mileage, if you ride the R15 really really rough or whatever you do with it would still give around 40-45. Its one hell of a tough job to get below 40 or above 45. But the P220 is really sensitive with the mileage. Ride it really hard and rough, its gonna drop below 30 and ride it like unkel’s (no offence to anyone
) its gonna give 45+
And one more thing. Don’t race on the roads in traffic. Whatever bike you buy, whatever money you pay for it, the first priority should be SAFETY. Beating an R15 or a Ninja with your P220 might be cool but a slight mistake from you or an auto-driver or some other driver or someone trying to cross the road might end up you or somebody else in hospital or worse, which is not cool by any means.
peace
tanks deepak,
i am very happy for bike advising me because
my bike is pulsar150 new model
milage of my bike is low about 45km, but after your advice milage is more than 50.
so i am very happy.
how much rate about 220cc pulsar & its milage…
i like bike reviews
its fantastic, really i am enjoing
please review pulsar all models & its rate also
tank you frind, go awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Hey AFFRIN, did I advise you something?? when and where? I advised someone in hyderabad through comments. Are you the one??
220 costed me 82k in hyderabad.
bike’s mileage was 44 to 47kmpl in hyderabad. Moved to vizag 6 months ago and found a drop from 44 to 35 Kmpl and recently came to know that is because of the servicing centre guy, who is my friend, spoiled the carb tuning because he wants me to win the Race with the stock R15 when ever I do so on the streets so he increased the pick up.
I started self tuning my bike’s carb and increased mileage back to almost normal like 44kmpl. experiementing even more to gain some knowledge.
good stuff…..
My first bike is a pulsar 220 DTSI. My parents got me this bike for my 18th birthday in October 2009…
I am proud to say, that my bike is giving me 43 KMPL as of 15th November 2010. I love my bike too much to ride her fast…..But of course there have been those rare occasions I’ve gone GA-GA over high speeds, even though 148 KMPH shows stupidity. All in all, Pulsar 220 is a great bike…
Love your story..
hey Vivek, no offence but I like to share something with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5gYiE9rlc
Above link reminds you that Pulsar is “Definitely Male” I replied you mainly because you mentioned “I love my bike too much to ride her fast” for which my eyes stopped to understand if you are talking about your bike.
I like to see 144 on my bike but I am little worried to rev it hard from 3rd gear onwards so I just go to what it takes me when I rev hard in 5th.
And thanks for your positive feedback.
@ Swarup @: Since you have said that R15 will throw you apart in cornering.
I would like to ask you one question ” Are you talking about a race track where you can drive the vehicle around corners at good speeds??”
If you are talking about the public roads then cornering (good speed cornering) will come only come into picture on National Highways and how often one gets to drive on the highways with the twists and turns you are talking about.??
If R15 has a rear end tyre as big as the FZ then i am sure it would have been amazing. It looks like a LUNA or TVS 50 with a big doom from behind – A major let down for Yamaha fans like me ….
Absolutely correct!!
Yamaha claims the thin tyres on R-15 are designed for better grip than wider tires. But NO excuse can justify the ugly looks of the thin tyres. Even Luna has got better tyres!! And…definitely, bigger is always better.
@rajshekhar
By cornering i mean a proper handling mate…you cant compare the pulsar with yamaha R15…never ever..
And no yamaha fan will say or feel bad when they will see the tires of r15…luna tires…lol..the MRF has specially designed this tires specially for R15 which provide excellent gripping better than any other indian bikes.
@Rajasekhar:
By handling he means overall controll of the bike. It doesnot only depend on the weight. Regarding the tyres, are you kidding dude? They are custom made especially for this bike with inputs from Yamaha engineers. They are twice as good as Pulsar’s tyres. You will notice this when you apply emergency brakes in loose gravel, they wont budge in the slightest
Hey I guess you understand from the below comment that what I feel for R15 and P220.
I have supported your earlier comments. But i cannot justify the thin tyres that come with R-15.
I know, R-15 is technically advanced than all other bikes in India…. but that doesn’t mean it is without downsides. May be Yamaha claims that it is specially designed for better grip. But NO excuse can cover up the ugly image created by super-skinny tyres. It is a clear sign of cost-cutting.
May be Yamaha should learn from these mistakes and come up with a much more refined product next time so that they leave no gap for pulsar fans to complain.
You will notice this when you apply emergency brakes in loose gravel, they wont budge in the slightest
R U completely out of our mind, the day ull do it, ull have to buy a new Front fairing for the r15.
Sent: Mon Dec 06 03:23:55 CET 2010:
Author: eliksir
> Comment:
> @Debopriyo(WB 20T 5022)
> what ? what are you trying to say ?
On
You will notice this when you apply emergency brakes in loose gravel, they wont budge in the slightest
R U completely out of our mind, the day ull do it, ull have to buy a new Front fairing for the r15.
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Reply.
U can even try with a Busa or a MT01, & if u r not a good rider ull need another front fairing for brake testing on loose gravel,
See Dude, stopping a bike on Loose Gravel is not its Tyre, But really good & steady hands , thoughtful braking & Awesome balance.
& if u say , a rear disc helps u thats Crap as rear disc pulls the wheel toward the side of the brake ( Normally right Side ) & be it R 15, P220 , Busa , R1, ……. watever u name it , it will fall on loose gravel whatever be the tyres, cos NO TYRES GRIP GRAVEL if u can’t handle it.
So its Not about the Ride on Loose gravel, but about the Rider.
Finally get back to ur class 9-10 Physics Books for more scientific & elaborate explanations.Check chapter ” Friction.”
LOLZZZZ.
I know about the tires of R15 specially designed story much before I choose Pulsar220. Thats why I mentioned that no R15 user is also unhappy for their choice(if not in your comment but some where else in this page).
by the way I am not against Yamaha. I just like my bike for some reasons and my experience was shared in the above review.
My last words when it comes to Pulsar 220 or R15: If only yamaha launched R15 in India at the same price for which it is available now but with the appearance of R125, then no doubt I would have gone for R15 to satisfy my hunger for a sports bike, and of course with a 200CC if not 200 at least the same engine like R15(150cc). No offence lol, I am completely disappointed with R15 in terms of looks. at the same time the best thing I can understand about its engine: believe me only R15 on the streets give me very tough competition. 150cc engine competing with 220cc is not a joke lol. I can understand. R15 is baby of sports bike and p220 is a new generation city bike that exceeds a baby sports bike in terms of top speed and pickup.
P220 is not designed for race tracks lol so I agree cornering is not good when compared with R15 and R15 no doubt you can take it to a nearest race track.
If you check out the video below,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4CPBfpnye0
it says that corvette has 120 Bhp more than what Audi R8 has but when it comes to race track testing corvette forgets about winning the race but it struggles a lot to be on the track however on straight lines corvette leaves R8 in dust. comparing P220 with R15 is some what similar.
I never go to a race track I clearly know that and in city also I don’t have a chance of racing legally. So to satisfy my passion, to satisfy my want of having the fastest is satisfied only with P220. I am happy when I overtake or win with R15 however I always remember that I am sitting on a 220cc engine and racing with 150CC. I hope you got my message correctly. And every time you talk about cornering only thing that comes to my mind first is about the city traffic and the kind of turnings that we have in city. sharp 90 degrees cut with a traffic signal in between. if I have to think about slight curvy turnings like what we have on highways then I agree I may not be so comfortable in moving around the curve at 144kmph which is the top speed but definitely yes at 100kmph and you might say that R15 handling it very good at 120 or so if that is the case I agree with you but Still I say R15 is over priced for MY PURPOSE of having a bike. And even today I doubt R15 with a pillion rider of 80 to 90 kgs, but P220 moves comfortable even with a pillion of 90kgs. I tested P220 and by the way I am at 75. P220 handling is good even off road. I don’t thing same is the case with R15 handling off road because its a sports bike designed for tracks.
i like it very much……………
@deepak…
Have you seen the feature in R15…
Fuel Injection
Liquid-cooled
DiASil Cylinder
Deltabox Frame
Linked type Monocross suspension
ZMR has Fi 12 port…various sensors…Nisin Discs…
Does this matched with P220…no where..common sense is buy a good product not the products which have issues from day 1….if you remember Bajaj has removed Fi unit because they cannot produce it of high standards and it was actually fail..P220 Fi was failed…there was lot of issues in P220…in your review you have mentioned only the good part…post the list of issues also..
@lokesh
Exactly bro.you have a bike so just have it but how can you say that r15 is overpriced.what do you say??
Ha ha..
ppl talk gr8 things abt r15 n its features like
DiASil cylinder,
fuel injection,
deltabox frame,
monocross suspensions.. . . Gr8.. No doubt its so advanced.!! Kudos to yamaha engineers.:-D
But d funny part is,, pulsar, without having any of this technology, can outperform d supertech r15 in everyday life.. So, which one is better??
Except may be on part of handling n cornering at speeds of above 100. . .
N to be frank, how many times you cross d 100kmph mark?? Everytime you sit on r15, you’ve to hit speeds of 100+ to enjoy d real premium fun of r15 which i guess is a rare event.:-)
n ya, personal experience on r15, you cannot ride it for more than 1 hour.. Its so painful for back with that sitting position…. I dint liked it.. N you cant take d r15 to those speeds with a pillion rider!! Whereas pulsar is good in sitting position n carrying a pillion rider!!
“…..But d funny part is,, pulsar, without having any of this technology, can outperform d supertech r15 in everyday life.. So, which one is better…??”
Again, don’t talk like a fool. R-15 is a 150 cc bike and pulsar 220 is 220 CC.
Still with its technology and refinement, R-15 catches up with P220. May be a p220 can go a couple of kmph faster and can accelerate a few seconds faster. That’s all. That doesn’t necessarily mean that p220 is ‘better’. You people should realize that bikes should not be rated by a few bhp/cc difference.
Amd, I am not a Yamaha fan or a ‘sports’ bike fan as you mentioned before. Actually, I don’t like crouched sitting position of sports bikes. I just expect some good bikes to be introduced with an affordable price. But, so far i have seen nothing that is good enough.
“But d funny part is,, pulsar, without having any of this technology, can outperform d supertech r15 in everyday life.. So, which one is better??”
“..But d funny part is,, pulsar, without having any of this technology, can outperform d supertech r15 in everyday life.. So, which one is better??…”
Why do you always keen to compare P220 with an R15? You are talking like Yamaha has got only R-15 and Fz-16!!!!!!!!!
Just note that Yamaha has got better products like R6, R1, Fazer250…..i mean….everything from 250CC – 1200CC! So what does Bajaj have in turn??? It’s biggest bike is a 220 CC crap! That sells only in 3rd rate countries.
So what about comparing a p220 with Y-R1 or R6??
@lokesh
Perfectly said buddy.
To start with, my bike is DTSI and not FI. Actually I have no problem with my Bike, except for spoiling my pants in rain. Did any of your friends used P220 and Said it has many problems? If so then let me know. I should also understand it better. Frankly speaking I am very happy with my bike if not why would I write a review like this. I have a friend using Karizma R and he said P220 is good. Another friend who recently bought RTR 160 is struggling with its artificial intelligence being wrong almost all the time. I always said I bought what I need and P220 is worth of its money.
While writing this I searched in google with the criteria ” problems with Pulsar 200 dtsi” similarly I searched for R15 and surprised to see in a website where customers complaints are written…. Now I am happy that I am one who dont have to visit such website. in the same site if you see the problems of R15 its horrible to see 3 pages of complaints filed against yamaha R15 and for P220 only one page. I am one of the happy customers. and I wish you also be one among the happy with your bike.
Coming back to the problems of my bike I had a bad experience with the first servicing, I escalated it to Bajaj Customer care and resolved it. there after I have no issues. In case you have a bad Pulsar 220 I suggest you to escalate the problem and check if its is fixed.
Problem now i am facing: Break pedal rubber is not available in spares and there is no sign of positive in the store keeper so now I am going to send an email and check it out.
You gave a big list of features in R15 and ZMR I guess. My only question does any of those features make those bikes go faster than P220?
Guys please understand I need only speed and great pick up and of course the minimum stuff that makes the bike to go for a long trip. If you give me a Fi or carb it does not matter at all to me. Tel me Fi makes the bike move faster and make it fastest the I look into it.
If you give me a refined engine which works for 1 lack Km like R15, who wants it? I change my bike almost every 5 years. I don’t what to live with one bike for ever in my life. do you?
do you seriously think your P220 would last 5 years and still give the performance as it does now ? ROFL
and you talk so much about the top speed of the P220. what about the free full body massage that comes along with it at anything above 120+ ?? Do you enjoy that too ? try riding an r15 at 120+ and you’ll know what it is to ride without vibrations.
For al those who talk abt the business strategies of bajaj with pulsar of low pricing n their possession in international market being small, n that too in countries like columbia, zambia. . .
dude, i want to tell you a small example.. IFB is a leading international company in electronics.. . Its leading d international market interms of sales of dish washers!! Every 7 out of 10dishwashers sold in US, Europe, japan, thailand, middle east are IFB dishwashers.!! But when it tried to sell those in india, it failed big time..Why??
D reason being it is not suitable for india.. Rather, its useless in indian conditions.. Washing indian dishes with al those oily gravy items is not what IFB dishwashers r meant for…. They cant handle it..
D conclusion is, whatever big technological product it is, it may be fabulous, but practically its useless in some part of d world.. Every region has its own requirement.. I’ll give you more examples, , , pagers, handhelds, PDAs, even d 3G technology (which is now coming in recent years)!
same is d case with r15, it may be some great bike in d international standards, with al those on board technology, but its practically not suitable for indian conditions.. Thats d reason pulsar dominates in india, not because of bajaj’s marketing strategies.:-)
talking abt r15′s al technological advancement is like boasting abt new nokia n8 having awesome connectivity it provides like 3G, HSDPA n what not when you know its practically useless in india.:-) n still ppl buy them because on papers its best among d rest,!
now I call that as stupidity.. N d common sense is being buying whats good for you than whats good on papers.!!
@pratik
Exactly right man.
The fact is that p220 fits both indian roads and indian pockets perfectly. R15 is realy not suited for worst indian roads, even six-way NH-7.
@pratik
Very well said. I like the way you explained. My idea is similar to what you explained so I am doing my best to convince couple of people in the below comments. May be because they own a R15 or a big time fan of Yamaha and now they do not want to let it down.
@Deepak
Do you run your fastest bike with top speed every minute…in city…traffic jam…then whats a use of speed…
as for the Fi…search on Google carburetor v Fi technology…you will know the difference which one is better…also all cars have the same Fi engines…they are not fool to use the Fi…Fool is Bajaj which has add Fi in P220 and then remove it…
DTSi is a crab…and old technology which bajaj has make a hype…do you know double sparks make engine heat from a normal one…and P220 has a major problem with heating of engine…extreme
@Lokesh, My answer for that is a definite NO. I always do not run on top speed in city for that matter I did not see top speed yet. I only see the top speed if an R15 or any other best bike in the city competes with me till that top end.
And while making my decision also I never had an idea of making my bike to the top speed. My only Idea while making my decision was to have a bike that moves first and it should be the fastest at the traffic signal and no other vehicle should overtake me till the next signal.
Coming to the carb version etc etc…. till date I did not think of overheating the engine because my bike is provided with a oil cooler. 400km continuously without a halt is my longest ride and engine sound said more and more after reaching home. I did not face any problem dude. my friend of Kgs 85 to 90 (he is not stout but too tall) even with that guy as pillion it did not show any difference even after 110. Power of the bike is excellent.
May be you are irritated when I said overpriced. If that is the case I put my sentence as follows “R15 is a gr8 bike which has every possible feature that can be used in racing but it has most of the things that I do not need and it does not have something that I need(fastest).” I wish R15 has 21+ Bhp at the same cost but a sports kit of 20k (appr) need to be installed apart from the bike of 110K. which made me to go for Pulsar 220.
Finally I am not a big fan of pulsar nor i am a enemy of yamaha or hero honda. I am a customer who always looks for something that I want.
Superb Answer.
R15 has an Liquid Cooler…which cools the engine …Oil Cooled in P220 is of no use; its just cool only oil not engine. Even with oil cooler people are suffering of over heating…
How do you judge your bike as fastest…just by having a top speed…just it?…common dear…..have common sense…
R15 and ZMR are very good bikes in terms of power…reliability…quality…whether its racing or commuter….no other bike in India have the features of R15…even they can’t think of it…specially Bajaj…jiski bike kaa Baja baaj jata hai…1/2 saal ke baad…
“I wish R15 has 21+ Bhp at the same cost but a sports kit of 20k (appr) need to be installed apart from the bike of 110K. which made me to go for Pulsar 220.”
Good. You are right. This makes sense!
But if i have to choose between these 2 bikes, i would definitely avoid both of them.
Instead i will save Rs 70,000 or 1Lk for a better bike.
@mr lokesh
“r15 has liquid cooler.. Which cools d engine..oil cooler in P220 is of no use.. It just cools oil not the engine..”
even a roadside mechanic will laugh at you for d above comment..
dont talk like nuts..
dude.. Engines are of two types.. Air cooled n liquid cooled.. Air cooled is self explanatory as it is cooled by breeze of air..
In liquid cooling, a fluid is circulated in the engine block which is cooled by using a radiator…
In P 220, OIL is circulated through d engine block n is cooled by d radiator..( hence called oil cooled) unlike the typical use of WATER,(water/liquid cooled) used in most of our cars..
Both is the same except for d Fluid that is used to carry the heat..
For more info,, (refer you chemistry book) oil has more heat capacity that that of water..
@Pratik/Eninstein the second
You are the biggest fool to have commented on this Review so far. A oil cooler engine better than a liquid cooled engine??
This is height of foolishness. How dumb can you get.
PS: I am a Automobile engineer, so do not even think of answering back
@bbk/misreader d 2nd
well.. But i dint mentioned/specificaly said anything like oil cooler is better than liquid cooler anywhere. . May be i was wrong in puttin d last line of specific heat capacity of oil.. .
i was wrong thr.. I agree.:-)
But if u are a automobile engineer, you should know that d cooling property of d coolant depends on it latent heat n not on specific heat capacity.:-)
coolent used in liquid cooled is not just water but special fluids enhanced with ethylene glycol n some antifreeze, rust inhibitors which is far more better than oil.. So, obviously liquid cooled is the best by far..
I was just tryin to explain d problem of cooling d oil n cooling d engine as lokesh mentioned above
well.. Nice to know you bbk.. Thanks 4 pointing out..
P.S. – I’m an automobile engineer too.
Back to my fav Bike Advice after a long time. Feels gr8 to see so many ppl commenting and exhaustive long reviews!
Hearty Congratulations Deepak for the success of bikeadvice!
@Deepak V : Good review mate!
-Wear Helmet. Ride Safe
Thank you Amit.
@Lokesh:
Meaning of fastest is Acting, moving, or capable of acting or moving quickly.
To know this we need a dictionary and nothing much to do with common sense.
I am not expecting my bike’s engine temperature to be like its in refrigerator even after a continuous ride of 100km. Similarly I am not expecting it to be like in red hot desert. If the heat level is something that can not be accepted, then it really matters, and only when I experience that situation I realize/wish my bike is also provided with a liquid cooler. By the way P220′s torque at low rpm is pretty good you don’t have to rev it hard like R15 to enjoy the ride(rpm at 5K in fifth gear is at 80kmph). I guess the reason for not feeling its overheated is because I did not ride it till 10k or 11k rpm. even while my longest ride of 400km I accelerated only till 6k to 7k and only once at 8K. when at 6k in fifth gear the speed is 90kmph I love to ride at the speed of 80kmph only, there after I have to be over cautious and concentrate even better which results in loosing my enjoyment in riding. I want to feel the pleasure of the ride. neither in the past nor in the future I ride at the 100kmph or more unless I engaged in a race with others in traffic, which normally ends for 3 to 4km at max(in my city). I never race while travelling long distance more than 200km or so, cause safety is in my priority list.
R15 has too much of technology which I may not use at all or I may use once in 6months, for which I am not ready to pay 110K + 20K (sports kit). And after all this I still doubt on its mileage not more than 40kmpl and its performance with pillion rider with 85kgs and main rider with 75kgs.
I have people who are more than 80kgs. If they sit on my bike worth 110K and the bike dies to carry the load then definitely he/she will laugh at me with a suggestion go for a passion plus or any other bike they are using which is much cheaper more mileage etc etc. I just don’t want to take that hit.
I use P220 for my daily use So most of the time I have a pillion rider. If R15 is something like the Ninja which can not be used on our daily purpose then I do not have any issues in having R15 too, because in that case I may not have a Pillion when ever I go for a ride.
@ Venkata Deepak November 18, 2010 at 8:26 pm
i liked your answer.
Pratik November 20, 2010 at 11:50 am
Hoping you are an engineering grad.
For me having good grip is fine be it R15 special or P220 ordinary tyre. But the logic is i cannot experience the best part of r15 special tyre in city conditions.
Regarding cooling part: i didnt find much difference in the technology. Can R15 guys brief me about the tech in their bikes.
This review let to a very heated discussion with some guys trying to prove r15 the best while others including venkat proving p220 the best. Guys there is nothing in the world like the best bike, actually it differs from man to man and conditions. So please stop comparing r15 to p220. @venkat i understand that u love ur bike but u should not have compared urs to r15. And please dont try to be the fastest every time from point a to b. Grow up. Of course u have got the fastest indian but it doesnt mean that u go for race intentionally or unintentionally. Peace.
@Kirti Kunal, Yes you are correct if differs from man to man and conditions.
By the way to correct a point where you said that I am trying to prove that P220 is the best bike. this is incorrect I never said that P220 is the Best. Problem started because I said R15 is overpriced and others who are trying to say that its not overpriced. They do not understand from the point where i am looking at R15. As you said I tried to say it differs from man to man and conditions, but people supporting R15 did not made me feel they respect my priorities and made me replying them back.
I always do not want to be the fastest from point a to b but sometimes I do that just to satisfy my hunger. There are 100′s of days I traveled on highways even when the roads are all free from traffic and still I didn’t even tried to step up to the 4th gear. for me Speed is not something that matters always.
Anyway your suggestions are taken, Thanks.
@ eliksir
Well said
@ Venkata nice to know that you dont race everytime but from ur review it was not evident. I would like to tell everyone that u cant compel anyone to second ur thoughts, so if u think r15 or p220 is best tell others why and dont impose ur thoughts. P220 suited venkata’s needs so he opted for p220 and if he is happy after doing 7800K on his bike u cant tell his bike is not good. And venkata r15 is expensive and not overpriced. Even if bike is not as powerful as p220 at the end of the day its a yzf and p220 is a pulsar.
Thanks for letting me know. Others should have told as simple as you said, instead they turned back which I did not like. Any ways in 3 to 4 comments I already mentioned like what you said “P220 suits me etc etc.” but no one talked about that statement of mine and moved on with others.
Any how the discussion or fighting what ever you call it came to a conclusion. So I do not want to talk about it much and start it again. I have my own opinion on R15 which I already disclosed many times in comments.
I liked “Even if bike is not as powerful as p220 at the end of the day its a yzf and p220 is a pulsar.” I too asked people not to compare but no one is ready to listen to it May be my other comments made them not to listen.
And you are right. People read my Review and experience does not catch up with my second thoughts. Its true. When I started writing this one, I have only people who know me well, in my mind. By the way this is my first review that I ever posted to internet, and with this experience of mine I improve on my next. Thanks to you and everyone who commented and made me understand better on my mistakes and also helped me understand how does others think about something that I think. Though I have this experience in my day to day life I feel this is different and interesting too. In my day to day life I don’t see, meet may bikers so in terms of bikes this place is good.
Excuse me, Did I say that someone else’s bike is not good before someone else started talking about my bike. I don’t want to read all the comments now and verify, so let me know if you read any such comment from me and its me who started before someone else could talk about my bike.
By the way I said “I am happy for what I got because its exactly what I need and no R15 user is unhappy for their choice” these words in couple of comments makes clear whats my opinion it. When I said “I got something that I need so I am happy” for this someone else replied saying that I am talking as if i have a bike on the lines of ducati. what does this mean to you? for me It meant as if they is no importance for my priorities and opinion. Someone else say R15 has 100 features so its 110K and P220 is priced less to attract people and say we need commonsense to understand. But P220 did not have many features so its less in price and that is what I exactly need P220 is low in price, less in features and mainly a city bike. Any how I don’t use it on race track.
All that I mentioned here is a summary but not something that I am sharing and trying to starting a new discussion.
I don’t want to start this discussion again now. whatever you reply to this I leave it as if you are correct unless its too bad or hurting or irritating.
Thanks for sharing your view on my review and experience.
Thank God, the story came to an end.
I agree with you eliksir. You are correct. I too mentioned in one of my comments that R15 belong to a different segment and P220 is different, but no one came to a conclusion with that statement so I thought People on the side of R15 still want me to say something like its best etc etc or trying me to compromise on my priorities and say that i ended up with wrong choice. when someone don’t consider my idea I too do not consider their idea and so prepared myself also not to compromise at all.
I like to mention here that I did an investigation of about a month to understand what R15 has and P220 has. After all that I realized that R15 has every chance of not fulfilling my basic needs so I did not choose.
Sometimes you sound like you own an R15, but sometimes you make me feel that you do not have correct data points. I am not sure why it is like that. May be I do not have correct information. So please correct me If i am wrong. I like to share what i know:
You said “The p220 reaches 1-100 in a jiffy and then starts dying slowly, wher as the R15 wakes up only when it reaches 100. I’m not sure about this but the R15 takes lesser time than P220 in 100-140kmph” I am not sure why you said this.
P220 in 3rd gear at 10.5k rpm touches 100kmph. This is very much true I did not dare to see 10K rpm on p220 but there are people who did that. Max that I saw is 75kmph in 3rd gear and I was mad. I just cant express it completely but I can only say that I shivered when I first did that, and I did that only 3times in last 9months.
I see no R15 in my city crossing 110 kmph and overtake me. It created an impression that R15 speed increases slowly when it touches 110kmph. If you are talking about R15 with sports kit then I have no word to say about it, as i do not have much idea about that, except about the pick up which is more than p220. OR people ride with me also do not dare enough to see the max RPM.
I have a lot of inputs from one of my friends who personally test rode all 3 bikes karizma ZMR, R15 and p220. So anything I say contains a lot of inputs from him. He said by the time P220 is done with its 4th gear R15 is done with all of its 6gears at 125 to 130kmph. 4th gear of P220 makes you till 130 almost. 5th gear crosses 140kmph. P220′s power is spread across at any RPM. R15 is like what you also said very good at high RPM. I check the review by NDTV, CNN etc etc. So I heard most of the things in common from both my friend who practically seen it and review which are available in youtube.
I know that Speedometer errors happen a lot. The bike manufacturers measure the speed using GPS system or something similar (got no detailed idea of it) Best thing that we can do is choose a road which is out of city and test both the bikes R15 and P220 like my friend did. This displays better results and also help people to understand if speedometers are displaying the right figures or not.
In simple words: P220 in youtube videos display 150kmph. If its really 150 then why would bajaj claims only 144 as top speed of P220?? R15′s top speed as per my knowledge is 132kmph.(Stock R15)at that time P220 Dtsfi’s top speed is 130 so bajaj gone back to carb. to make it more than 140, So forget about numbers but start testing the bikes parallel to know it correct like my friend did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDHKLioKcgI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJMQrdIdPI&feature=channel
I guess these videos help you know the top speed or R15(mentioned in the 1st video when talking about P220′s top speed.
About mileage I have no idea about what you said because when I check with R15 users I get a different feedback. Any how, even I do not use rough and tough not just p220 but any other bike also except for once in a month or so when I feel like travelling real fast.my idle speed is 75 to 80kmph It was at 60 on my P150 and P220 made me increase it. Its great to hear if R15′s mileage is between 40 and 45kmpl. I always heard something else.
Totally agree with your last point. Safety first, because neither I want to end my life with this P220 nor I want to end someone else’s life. Want to see more and more. Not to show you some evidence but I also mentioned this in 3 to 4 comments quite some time back when others like you suggest me on the safety lines.
By the way I wanted to become a racer till 2010 and after purchasing P220 I understood that I can not become one even in dreams because till date I did not ride my vehicle till 10K rpm at least in 3rd gear. In 3rd gear only I start shivering sometimes. because of its pick up, not at normal 4k rpm but I am talking about abnormal RPM of P220, thats is anything more than 6.5K. And I am not even trying to make it till 10K because I can understand what it can do if it I see 10K rpm, Safety first.
Again by the way R15 tires are made of Sticky rubber and P220′s are of soft compound. with soft compound only I am noticing a lot so i can imagine what I can do if provided with sticky rubber.
when i meant faster in 100-130 i meant the time in seconds to reach 130 from 100 and not the gear ratios or something
anyways, i’m not sure about this either.
forget the speedos. They have a mind of their own.
The mileage part, i was talking after opinions from some friends and their friends. They did a lot of red lining and still the bike returned 40kmpl. Even in city conditions they got 40.
P.S. for the record, i don’t own an R15
Ha…yamaha r15 is overpriced…lol…yamaha r15 is not suited for indian roads…man you gotta be kidding…here in tawang where the temperature drops below zero degree still my yamaha starts at once…you know the road condition of ARUNACHAL PRADESH…and still i am riding this so called race bike and not suitable for indian road for the past seven months…the nearest yamaha showroom is in ASSAM that is around six hundred kilometer from the place i ride my bike…i tell you one thing…i had a pulsar 220 DTSI but i had to sold it because it will show a hell of trouble…and finally i am riding this bike and still now no problem…pulsar needs to grow up…by giving 220cc and a increased bore wont make it better bike…
you are in north AP and I am in south AP(Andhra Pradesh). If I come to your place then I definitely go for R15 because you experienced problems with P220 and I don’t want to experience the same. In my place an R15 without a main stand is a bit horrible. I am not sure if you can park your R15 on uneven ground.
If you get a place where u can park a cycle also you should try and push it in to parking lot in Andhra Pradesh(most of the busy places). Even if you are careful you can not make others be careful on you bike. I am not talking about every parking lot that you get to see in AP there are places where you can park your vehicle in a place of car.
Temperature here, in the last 23 years, never dropped below 15. So I am not expecting it in near future too. Any ways if I come to north India then I Pickup an R15 and come there. Absolutely no issues.
@ tarnished neptune :November 23, 2010 at 5:28 am : if u re that pissd off vth pulsar 220 , wy r u even doing a google or searching this forum….looks like ” Those grapes are sour.” cos altough u mite have a starting problem with 220, but u do belive somewere it was better than this Kid Section race bike ???
@Debopriyo(WB 20T 5022)
what ? what are you trying to say ?
Yamaha the World’s best , R1 technology is superb, but R15 is better as Middle Class people can buy it ( Affordable ), Diasil Cylinder superb throttle response,……… and the list goes on.
For the facts, Yamaha was established in 1887 as a piano and reed organ manufacturer later on into Sporting machines, bikes in 1960 launched in the USA.
Bajaj,founded in 1926, Auto Rickshaw & commmercial vehicles launched from late 1900′s.Today has a certain bike 220cc, that is good for Indian Conditions.
Still ull compare, & wherever u compare ull fall short.
Do some homework, & CRITISIZE Yamaha if u want to , cause at the speed they are improving technology they mite have a R5 launched for India, 50 cc, 21 bhp, to take on P220 which will have a Top speed & a response beter than 220, with a bike weighing 50-60 kgs, ( Diasil-Aluminium alloy body ) .
& by that time Bajaj will make Spacecrafts, again, not Globally standard but usable in Indian Conditions, & Still ull be rooting saying my bike is faster on land than the New Gizmo on Air.
C’mon, Bajaj has done lots & made a Niche for itself, & given Yamaha’s Infrastructure well we can only IMAGINE……….!!!
he he… everything seems to be settled. Every bike is having a problem… for one bike there is no nuts and bolts available and for the other there is no break pedal rubber available…
All my brothers who are the proud owners of RTR, R15, P220s have their own reasons to buy a bike. One buys it to zip zap in traffic and the other buys it to zoom in the traffic. one has straight line speed and one has a cornering speed. At the end of the day you loose a battle or win it but the satisfaction you derive out of your first love is ultimate. For many its P220 and for the rest its R15.
“Not every man likes one kind of a girl” One falls for the looks, one falls for the intelligence, One falls for the background, One falls for the features. Ultimately one girl is different form the other and just like this are our bikes. They can quench only individual thirsts.
If any one who wants to buy a bike and don’t know which bike to buy then read this 140 long battle between P220 R15 RTR. Lot of emotions has from the heart to support their own bikes.
I would suggest all would be bike owners to read this battle to understand the requirements they have just to find which suits them better.
Amazing guys… keep it rolling. Sad part is that I didn’t find any RTR support to understand what artificial intelligence they have in the bike.
Venkata Deepak…. Kudos to you.
HI fellas,
I also have the pulsar 220 dts-i bike. It is my fav bike who gives all the things I need from it, but the most annoying thing of the bike is the stupid vibration of the front fairing (show) of the bike. I have reported several times to the service persons @dealership but they also failed to cure this problem which is very sad thing about the bike & bajaj should take it seriously.
@Aman,
I had a similar problem after 3rd servicing. I went to a local mech. who is also my friend and asked him for a suggestion. He tightened all the screws and bolts once for all. I helped me in my case. Do you feel vibrations on you handle bar? If that is the case its just the matter for some screws or bolts loose. If you notice the vibrations in the rear view mirrors, then no option have to live with it. now I see the rearview mirrors vibration only after touching 100kmph. Also check with another P220 if the vibration of faring is same? it helps you making a decission.
Hi Guys, Me going strong with my P220 dtsfi for the last 3 years, one among the very first owners of the 220fi in Kolkata, WB.
3 years down the line, have done several trips ,longest one to Visakhapatnam( Via almost all natural beauty locations in Orissa on the way, including crossing Chilka Lake on a Frail Boat(:S), Araku )& back.
Almost every weekend it does a 200 Km up & 200 Km Down to my hometown(Asansol)from KolKata & back next day.
2 Chains & sprockets, one cluth plate , 2-3 starter relay switch replacements, a couple of disk pads( F & R), a Rear tyre change & thats it.( Engine oil for every 1000 Kms – Motul 20W50 ).
Still 140 kmph when i want it to, No Fairing Vibrations.Excellent steady mileage of 40 since the day i bought it & well,never met anyone( Except a certain Black Ninja 250R) who could take me out in terms of Instant pick up….
Well, & just to let everyone Know, with current Road conditions in my part of our country & Traffic Congestion, what is expected from a bike is Stop & Go Traffic instant Pick up,& Very good throttle response at 60-80′s for those open signals or Flyovers.
For the Highways 130+ Top speed.
Well for me & my riding technique, thats Bajaj Pulsar 220 Digital Twin Spark Fuel Injection.
@ 143: Venkata Deepak : I have not bumped this into anything ever or a had a fall that would hurt the Fairing, so my bike’s fairing is as it was fitted when sold.
& Yes, NO VIBRATIONS at all , except rear mirrors above 110-115 Kmph.
Hey Guys Im planning for a bike and my mind is confused on two of those
PULSAR 220 AND HONDA DAZZLER
pulsar is costing me 7000 xtra but my mind says dazzler as it has name honda……
ppl say after 2years pulsar is like elephant and cost much in maintaince.i have tested both of them and both where cool.i have running of 1000km in month.showroom guy told me it gives 40kmpl average.
WHAT U PULSARIODS SUGGEST????
Unicorn has the best engine in its segement……. Pulsar 220 is all about top speed & pick up. I see for the first time that people are confused between 2 bikes of different segment.
have your priorities fixed and then go for one. because unicorn’s engine is good one I suggest it…. Similarly there are people using Pulsar 220 for 3 years closing and they don’t see any change in the bike’s performance.
I bought a 2nd hand P150 and used it for 3 years and with that confidence I took P220.
I have my own set of priorities which made me go for P220 that any other bike. Now my bike is just 1 year old so I can not talk much about its life etc etc.
Hi friends, A few months back, in early 2011, I test rode Pulsar 220 with fairing and noticed that vabration of the fairing produced noise. The noise was not very loud but I found the consistent sound annoying. I tried two more vehicles of teh same model and all had the same sound. I am now looking at the 220 Pulsar without fairing. does anyone know what are the main differences between the models with and without fairing. If it is only the looks then I do not need the fairing. However, is there any difference in terms of built, engine capacity/power, performance, features? I would greatly appreciate your kind response. Nepalibaboo, Kathmandu
No difference in performance. In fact, naked versions are more suitable to cruise in congested traffic or park in congested parking lot.
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i am very fond of pulsar220.it is my favourite bike.but there are a lot of complaints about this bike.i request bajaj to seriously take this problem and make sufficiant solution
Hi friends, A few months back, in early 2011, I test rode Pulsar 220 with fairing and noticed that vabration of the fairing produced noise. The noise was not very loud but I found the consistent sound annoying. I tried two more vehicles of teh same model and all had the same sound. I am now looking at the 220 Pulsar without fairing. does anyone know what are the main differences between the models with and without fairing. If it is only the looks then I do not need the fairing. However, is there any difference in terms of built, engine capacity/power, performance, features? I would greatly appreciate your kind response. Nepalibaboo, Kathmandu