Apache RTR 160 vs. Yamaha FZ 16: The Bold And The Beautiful

by Deepak on August 19, 2009

With the Indian market scene getting hotter and more intense by the day, people are becoming more and more confused as there are many more choices to choose from. In a world where one bike scores over the other in one department and the other one in the other, how to zero in on a bike of our choice? Here we try to ease out the decision between the two of the most sought after bikes in the market. One is known for its blasting performance and the other for its breathtaking looks. Let’s try to figure out which way does the needle bend.

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Engine, Transmission & Styling: The TVS Apache RTR 160 is loaded with an air cooled 159.7 cc twin valve engine which produces a peak power output of an astounding 15.2 Bhp which comes at 8500 revolutions of the engine. Maximum torque is a handy 13.1 Nm at 6000 RPM. The bike has a short stroke high revving motor which goes all the way to 12000 RPM without the rev limiter playing spoilsport. The bike breathes through the Mikuni BS26 carburetor. The whole assembly is mounted on a double cradle frame which is rigid and sturdy.

Talking about the Yamaha FZ , an air cooled 153 cc 2 valve engine drives the bike which produces a peak power output of 14 PS (13.8 Bhp) which comes at an early 7500 RPM and a maximum torque of a mammoth 14 Nm which is well spread throughout the rev band and peaks at 6000 RPM. The same Mikuni BS26 does the carburetion duties on the bike. The engine rests on a diamond frame which is pretty well engineered and gives the bike more agility and confidence on high speeds.

If we compare the bikes head-on, then we will understand the fact that both the bikes have pretty different characteristics. While Apache has a more meaty and rugged feel, FZ seems to be a cool and calm customer which does its job with near perfection. In fact, Apache’s engine is harsh and it is evident at pretty lower RPMs of 4000 and above and this is one thing we would like TVS to work on with attention as this factor mars the overall lovely capabilities of the bike. FZ depicts the true Yamaha engineering with one of the most refined mills to ride on and the bike seems to be completely under ease even at higher rpms.

Both the bikes come loaded with a five speed gearbox. While the gearing feel has been improved on the Apache from its previous iterations but it fails, and we go to the extent of saying ‘badly’, in front of the super slick, super smooth gearbox of the FZ. It seems like Yamaha and Honda can never go wrong at least in this department!

Need we even talk about the styling of the bikes; FZ stands a clear winner here with its bold styling borrowed from the bigger FZ 1 bikes. From the naked front headlamps to the lovely sculpted massive looking tank to the dual tone pointed seat to the countries fattest tyres, every inch of the bike exudes style. It’s not that the TVS looks plain, but it has been in the market for a while and everybody praises the ‘new’ looks in the market. RTR is a fantastic looking bike with one of the best digital consoles and lovely fit and finish.

Yamaha FZ 16 – 9/10 ; TVS Apache RTR 160 – 7/10

Comfort, Suspension & Handling: Apache comes loaded with optimized telescopic shock ups upfront which do not feel spongy as Unicorn’s and not as hard as the Enfields. TVS has deployed the spring aided Gas Charged shock absorbers (which they call as MIG, Monotube Inverted Gas Filled Shox) at the rear which have a stroke of 105mm. The seating posture of the bike is front biased and more inclined towards fast moving or racing. This enhances the chances of backpain and fatigue on long tours but once you become used to it, you would become addicted to it! The knee recess is so very well sorted out that a person of the height upto 5 feet 10 inches would feel that they have entered a cockpit tailor made just for them, but the downside is for the people of taller heights. They would find the seating awkward and may well avoid the bike et all. Seats are pretty well cushioned and the size of the front seat is just perfect but the rear seat is a real pain in the ass! We wonder if they made those seats only for small kids or very slim fellows. It’s pretty small and with those bull shaped upward pointed rear grab rails hungry for your fatter butts, things only get worse!

For the Yamaha, the story is not very different and the rear seat is small and puny (but at least bigger than Apaches). The front seat is pretty well sorted and provides ample amount of space and cushion to accommodate even fatter butts. FZ comes equipped with large 41 mm front telescopic shock absorbers which happen to be the fattest on any current Indian motorcycle with the stroke being a lovely 130mm which provides lovely shock absorption capabilities (better than Apache’s). Added to the lovely front is the Monocross suspension at the rear which has a travel of 120mm and provides a very well sorted center of gravity to the bike. Damping characteristics of the suspensions during acceleration and particularly braking are one of the best and contribute significantly to the high speed stability and acute cornering of the bike. Even when seated two, the bike doesn’t bottom out on normal and sudden potholes.

Yamaha FZ 16 – 8/10 ; TVS Apache RTR 160 – 8/10

Instrumentation & Braking: The Yamaha is loaded with a big 267 mm diameter front disc brake which, along with a fat 100 section rubber helps in very good braking power. The rear is the traditional mechanical expanding shoe type brakes which are also good considering the huge rear tyre it works on. Overall the bike has a neat assembly and the stopping power is more than adequate to stop it in faster speeds under sudden braking. The best part about the bike is that it remains planted even under harsh or sudden braking. We go to the extent of saying that FZ is the most planted bike in India under sudden braking. It almost feels as if it was a routine job, well done!

The Apaches have always been very nimble bikes and have been applauded for the razor sharp braking they have come equipped with. RTR 160 is just another extension of the same and the bike performs handsomely even in the braking department. Apache RTR 160 has two variants; one is the normal one and the other one is called the ‘Refresh’ which comes loaded with a rear disc as well along with standard front discs. And lest we said it, Apache remains the bike with the best stopping power and the bike with the best feel while coming to a halt. The fronts are loaded with a huge 270mm petal discs and the rears are also loaded with a 240mm petal discs on the Refresh model and normal drums on the regular model. Even the regular model was a pinnacle at the way the bike behaved while braking but the Refresh model has been a major advancement in the way our Indian bikes braked. TVS certainly seems to be leading the bandwagon as far as the braking is concerned whereas the Yamaha takes our points for the plantedness the bike shows under sudden braking, but just!

Yamaha FZ 16 – 7.5/10 ; TVS Apache RTR 160 – 9/10

Performance & Fuel Efficiency: This is one area where Apache heavily outthrones the FZ convincingly. With a difference of almost 1.5 bhp, Apache is fast and definitely loves getting revved up. Once you sit on the saddle, it feels as the bike asks for more. With a lovely feel throughout the powerband, the bike never feels slow and goes all the way to the 125 Kmph mark on the speedo. The 0-60 dash comes in a fast 4.5 seconds and the bike hits the 100 kmph mark in around 15 seconds. The best part about the whole story is the feel and the adrenalin rush the bike instills in a rider which compels the rider to go that extra degree on the throttle.

Having praised the Apache so much, doesn’t mean that FZ is very slow. But because of a huge 140 rear section tyre and a little less power the bike remains short of Apache’s performance. 0-60 sprint comes in a tad over 5 seconds and the 100 kmph mark is caught up in over 16 seconds. But we must applaud the way the bike carries itself on high speeds. The fat 100 section front and 140 rear section tyre along with the Monocross suspension and a fantastic frame makes this bike one of the best handling machines especially at speeds touching 3 figures. In fact, sometimes you would only feel the speed when you see the speedo; it’s so very planted and smooth.

If we come to the city riding, than it’s the FZ which makes its way to the kingdom. With 14 Nm of torque under the belt, majorly distributed towards the low and mid range along with a lighter weight of 137 Kilograms, this bike is a breeze to ride in cities under busy traffics without giving you the hassle of changing gears frequently. The upright open chested seating posture of the bike also helps prevent fatigue and even on longer routes one feels comfortable and calm. On the other hand, Apache is also one of the most nimble bikes in the city which makes its way through the smallest of places with ease because of its compact size and lovely seating posture. A ground clearance of 180 mm of Apache also makes the monstrous speed breakers and earthen potholes craving for kissing the bikes bottom.

Despite being totally performance oriented the TVS Apache doesn’t let you down on the fuel efficiency figures. The bike returns very respectable mileage figures of around 45 kmpl in city riding and even more on the highways. These figures go along with a 16 liter tank capacity which means even longer tours in a tank full of gas. Yamahas have never been frugal and FZ just proves the same with fuel efficiency figures close to 40 kmpl in cities and upwards of 45 kmpl in highways. No doubt that the mileage figures are low considering the segment it is put in and the power output the bike churns out, but the overall designing of the bike is the primary culprit of the same. Fuel tank capacity is also just 12 liters which further make the matters worse on long and spirited tours.

Yamaha FZ 16 – 7.5/10 ; TVS Apache RTR 160 – 9/10

Verdict: Now comes the all important pricing of the bikes which is so very important deciding criteria for most of our fellow Indians. With all the loaded features the Yamaha FZ 16 costs a tad over Rs 73,000 on the road in Pune and the FZ S costs a high Rs. 75,000 whereas the Apache RTR 160 normal edition costs over Rs. 66,000 and the Refresh version costs Rs 2000 upwards. Both the bikes have been a revolution in their respective departments. While the Apache has set new trends in the performance biking in India with some superb features, the FZ has been a revolution in the looks department with its super stupendous dazzling naked looks. Hence, it boils down to one’s own priorities and what one expects from the machine he wants to own. For the sake of giving away the glory, we would rate the Apache RTR 160 a tad over the FZ just because of the practicality aspect it commands. Apache has a gruntier engine feel, better braking, faster performance, zippy nature along with better mileage figures which go along with a price difference of over five grand. Summing it up, FZ is the bike for those who want to stand out of the crowd with the super sexy looks and who doesn’t mind paying those extra pennies for the sake of competing practicality and definitely for those who are Yamaha lovers. Apache RTR 160 is the bike for those who have speed and performance as the primary criteria for choosing a bike and then who minds those extra goodies offered!

Yamaha FZ 16 – 8/10 ; TVS Apache RTR 160 – 8.5/10

- Saad Khan

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Ashwini August 19, 2009 at 10:21 pm

fz has a major drawback that its pick is too low for a 150 cc bike. all other bike in 150 cc segment has greater pick up than fz

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Arjun January 25, 2011 at 7:29 pm

Yeah,you’re right,i felt this in my friend’s fz..

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Abhishek March 10, 2012 at 7:07 pm

sorry to say buddy but ,first you try out the beast then pass a comment about its pickup and acceleration for which yamaha is known to be the best all over the planet

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Jaspreet May 22, 2012 at 2:28 pm

FZ is much better than apache… in terms of pickup in terms of power… In terms of comfort as well…

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King June 21, 2012 at 2:42 pm

are u taking abt the pickup dont tell me dude em the owner of FZ and won many Drag….

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Srini August 20, 2009 at 11:22 am

Hey Saad

Thanks a lot for this article. It looks as if this article is tailor made for me.. Thanks a lot.

I assume that the apache RTR here you’ve discussed is a carb. version and not the Fuel injected one.

I wonder how you’ve missed out the vibrations on RTR which is the biggest topic in all RTR bike reviews. Is it really true.. Does RTR really vibrate a lot on higher speeds. Higher in the sense, not the three figure mark. around 70 -80 max..

Please guide me based on my requirements. I’ll be thankful to u in many ways.

I’m looking for a 150cc segment bike or just a bigger bike more than splendors and star city…(NO discover)

My priorities are good mileage, less maintanence, attractive looks.. I’m not at all intereseted in taking my bike on highways to reach 100kmph… but i go for long rides twice or thrice a year…

My personal opinions on a few bikes which I’ve checked….

Pulsar 150: Heard from all my friends that the bike will be a treat to drive for the first 6 months and then you’ll find yourself uncomfortable sitting on the bike… they tell the bike is not at all balanced and comfortable.. A lot of crucial components of the bike needs to be replaced in two or three years itself.. Quality of service is not upto the mark i’ve heard.. (Sorry.. pulsar lovers.. I’ve never owned a pulsar.. all are what I’ve heard)

Apache RTR 160(Carb.) : This is the only bike I’ve heard it is goodin all departments.. ONly prob I’ve heard is that it starts vibrating a lot after 60kmph.. Also apache’s mileage is less than the likes of pulsar, extreme or hunk or unicorn.. Is it true.. I cannot accept a bike from TVS which gives lesser mileage than HH or BAJAJ…. As TVS is known for its great fuel efficient bikes like victor and star..
Also service is good ina few outlets like Ramkay TVS, chennai..

Extreme or Hunk: The reason why I’m putting bith these bikes inthe same box b’coz i read that they are the same bikes wearing diff clothes… Though the looks of hunk is better than extreme, Hunk looks short of length.. the pilion seat looks like only slim chicks can sit in it.. The main prob I’ve heard in these bikes are Rusting and Engine noise.. Heard that hunk starts rusting in the end of one year and extreme’s engine goes for a toss after one or two years.. Engine becomes noisy and mileage drops to a mark of the first cbz mileage.. Though HH is known for Good service, yetto hear it from its users..

Unicorn: Everyone who have drivenit said that it is the most refined engine they’ve ever rode.. It is not a bike designed for above 70 or 80 kmph but it makes great sense if within those limits.. Mileage is almost 50 and pick up and looks are also cool.. But the service dept. sucks.. I’ve seen it literally when my friend started sending mails to HONDA, when his dealer said that there is a design level manufacturing flaw inthe bike and they cannot do anything about it.. (Do visit, http://www.consumercomplaints.in.. Unicorn makes a huge list there)… So someone who owns a unicorn please do write about its maintanence.. heard about rusting in unicorn too…

GS150R: I have no idea about this bike.. I rarely see people riding these bikes in city and they look like they’ve taken a decision too early in buying this bike.. What is the price of the bike.. What would be the mileage.. Looks are quite okay..(Better than extreme or hunk).. please give a suggestion about this bike in a nutshell…

FZ16: The bike which is the most discussed topic in OUR bikeadvice.in…. Someone pls tell me what are the problems faced by the user after buying this bike.. Does the bike start in winter.. as there is no kicker, is the self start reliable,, Price is too much for what we get.. In one way the looks are great.. But in the other way, in comfort view does this bike really scores well… Short silencer and toy looking digi console are downturns… Wat is the true mileage of the bike in city.. Will it suit tall guys or short..

PLS HELP…

Deepak or saad or Chinmay dangre.. Expecting some replies fromyou people as i’ve found yours very proffessional…

Thanks
Srini

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Arun August 20, 2009 at 12:44 pm

Unicons do have rust problems, that is if you are planning to ride the bike hard and park it in all types of harsh weather like rain and sunlight, i know a couple of friends that have bikes with the same problem, I have owned an apache for 3 years now and i havnt touched the engine for any type of maintenance other than spark plug and oil change, its 40,000 kms now and its as solid as ever, when i say i ride it hard, i do mean it, i ride once a week to my home over 100 km away and back, revving it to 10,000 all the freakin time, its a superb performer, it has amazing lean angles, you can scrape the road really easily with the footrests and it is amazing. The bike will grow on you, the more you own it the more you’ll start lovin every part of it. TVS has designed almost everything from the ground up just for the apache, the mirrors, footrests or any other part you take are designed just for the apache and you wont find cheap parts anywhere. One place i have to repeat my comment is the engine, the vibrations are not at all noticeable when you ride it at 60-70, the vibrations actually add to the feel of the bike as it feels amazingly powerful on your hands and the seat is designed in a way that you feel every bit of the acceleration that you can get. Its a great bike.. You will love it eventually, you will keep it clean and shiny all the time and after 3 years, for me it

Srini: Hey SaadThanks a lot for this article. It looks as if this article is tailor made for me.. Thanks a lot.I assume that the apache RTR here you’ve discussed is a carb. version and not the Fuel injected one.I wonder how you’ve missed out the vibrations on RTR which is the biggest topic in all RTR bike reviews. Is it really true.. Does RTR really vibrate a lot on higher speeds. Higher in the sense, not the three figure mark. around 70 -80 max..Please guide me based on my requirements. I’ll be thankful to u in many ways.I’m looking for a 150cc segment bike or just a bigger bike more than splendors and star city…(NO discover)My priorities are good mileage, less maintanence, attractive looks.. I’m not at all intereseted in taking my bike on highways to reach 100kmph… but i go for long rides twice or thrice a year…My personal opinions on a few bikes which I’ve checked….Pulsar 150: Heard from all my friends that the bike will be a treat to drive for the first 6 months and then you’ll find yourself uncomfortable sitting on the bike… they tell the bike is not at all balanced and comfortable.. A lot of crucial components of the bike needs to be replaced in two or three years itself.. Quality of service is not upto the mark i’ve heard.. (Sorry.. pulsar lovers.. I’ve never owned a pulsar.. all are what I’ve heard)Apache RTR 160(Carb.) : This is the only bike I’ve heard it is goodin all departments.. ONly prob I’ve heard is that it starts vibrating a lot after 60kmph.. Also apache’s mileage is less than the likes of pulsar, extreme or hunk or unicorn.. Is it true.. I cannot accept a bike from TVS which gives lesser mileage than HH or BAJAJ…. As TVS is known for its great fuel efficient bikes like victor and star..
Also service is good ina few outlets like Ramkay TVS, chennai..Extreme or Hunk: The reason why I’m putting bith these bikes inthe same box b’coz i read that they are the same bikes wearing diff clothes… Though the looks of hunk is better than extreme, Hunk looks short of length.. the pilion seat looks like only slim chicks can sit in it.. The main prob I’ve heard in these bikes are Rusting and Engine noise.. Heard that hunk starts rusting in the end of one year and extreme’s engine goes for a toss after one or two years.. Engine becomes noisy and mileage drops to a mark of the first cbz mileage.. Though HH is known for Good service, yetto hear it from its users..Unicorn: Everyone who have drivenit said that it is the most refined engine they’ve ever rode.. It is not a bike designed for above 70 or 80 kmph but it makes great sense if within those limits.. Mileage is almost 50 and pick up and looks are also cool.. But the service dept. sucks.. I’ve seen it literally when my friend started sending mails to HONDA, when his dealer said that there is a design level manufacturing flaw inthe bike and they cannot do anything about it.. (Do visit, http://www.consumercomplaints.in.. Unicorn makes a huge list there)… So someone who owns a unicorn please do write about its maintanence.. heard about rusting in unicorn too…GS150R: I have no idea about this bike.. I rarely see people riding these bikes in city and they look like they’ve taken a decision too early in buying this bike.. What is the price of the bike.. What would be the mileage.. Looks are quite okay..(Better than extreme or hunk).. please give a suggestion about this bike in a nutshell…FZ16: The bike which is the most discussed topic in OUR bikeadvice.in…. Someone pls tell me what are the problems faced by the user after buying this bike.. Does the bike start in winter.. as there is no kicker, is the self start reliable,, Price is too much for what we get.. In one way the looks are great.. But in the other way, in comfort view does this bike really scores well… Short silencer and toy looking digi console are downturns… Wat is the true mileage of the bike in city.. Will it suit tall guys or short..PLS HELP…Deepak or saad or Chinmay dangre.. Expecting some replies fromyou people as i’ve found yours very proffessional…Thanks
Srini

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Motorbeam.com August 20, 2009 at 6:14 pm

Thats a very important article as most people are in this dilemma. However its not all that difficult considering you can easily choose the FZ16 based on the way it looks and thats what most people do.

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Pulsarboy August 21, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Personally.. Don’t think a bike can last almost 10 years in market and that too in top spot (guess, no one will object to the fact pulsar is undisputedly top selling in 150cc category) when you have to replace parts after 6 months. For me, it always makes sense to buy the best selling product.. if you are looking for 100 cc.. go for splendor/passion.. if it’s 150 cc.. should be pulsar .. unless you are looking for exclusivity, which again comes only with Hero Honda Achiever in 150 cc :))

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Sava August 22, 2009 at 9:10 am

@Ashwini : Yes, FZ has low acceleration, but only in the high-end. It actually has one of the fastest pick-ups in low and mid-range (when consiering 150 cc’s).

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Pulkit August 27, 2009 at 8:00 pm

How can someone even compare these two bikes ? Agreed, they have less than 7cc difference in engine capacity, but they are both very different bikes …

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Pulkit August 27, 2009 at 8:02 pm

@Sava : I don’t agree. FZ is not the fastest off the block by any standards. It lacks power in low revs and high revs. The only range in the power band where the bike can deliver goodies is the mid-range.
PS : I have ridden the FZ for close to a year now.

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pramod November 7, 2011 at 9:15 pm

hi i am pramod i want to buy new bike am in confusion to buy RTR or FZ plz tell me how is the FZ ?

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sree September 5, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Nice comparison!
After reading this I am tempted to dispose my p150 get Apache 180 :)

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thangz September 7, 2009 at 10:39 pm

go for the apache, as someone said vibrations give the full biking experience….. i own the RTR for past one month, its jus handles superbly around the corners at the speeds of around 90′s.mileage- even if u rev hard the engine it gives out a mere 48+.oly thing is the noisy engine…..i searched the 150 cc lot for nearly 3 months, finally laid my hands over this tiny little toy….

Srini: Hey SaadThanks a lot for this article. It looks as if this article is tailor made for me.. Thanks a lot.I assume that the apache RTR here you’ve discussed is a carb. version and not the Fuel injected one.I wonder how you’ve missed out the vibrations on RTR which is the biggest topic in all RTR bike reviews. Is it really true.. Does RTR really vibrate a lot on higher speeds. Higher in the sense, not the three figure mark. around 70 -80 max..Please guide me based on my requirements. I’ll be thankful to u in many ways.I’m looking for a 150cc segment bike or just a bigger bike more than splendors and star city…(NO discover)My priorities are good mileage, less maintanence, attractive looks.. I’m not at all intereseted in taking my bike on highways to reach 100kmph… but i go for long rides twice or thrice a year…My personal opinions on a few bikes which I’ve checked….Pulsar 150: Heard from all my friends that the bike will be a treat to drive for the first 6 months and then you’ll find yourself uncomfortable sitting on the bike… they tell the bike is not at all balanced and comfortable.. A lot of crucial components of the bike needs to be replaced in two or three years itself.. Quality of service is not upto the mark i’ve heard.. (Sorry.. pulsar lovers.. I’ve never owned a pulsar.. all are what I’ve heard)Apache RTR 160(Carb.) : This is the only bike I’ve heard it is goodin all departments.. ONly prob I’ve heard is that it starts vibrating a lot after 60kmph.. Also apache’s mileage is less than the likes of pulsar, extreme or hunk or unicorn.. Is it true.. I cannot accept a bike from TVS which gives lesser mileage than HH or BAJAJ…. As TVS is known for its great fuel efficient bikes like victor and star..
Also service is good ina few outlets like Ramkay TVS, chennai..Extreme or Hunk: The reason why I’m putting bith these bikes inthe same box b’coz i read that they are the same bikes wearing diff clothes… Though the looks of hunk is better than extreme, Hunk looks short of length.. the pilion seat looks like only slim chicks can sit in it.. The main prob I’ve heard in these bikes are Rusting and Engine noise.. Heard that hunk starts rusting in the end of one year and extreme’s engine goes for a toss after one or two years.. Engine becomes noisy and mileage drops to a mark of the first cbz mileage.. Though HH is known for Good service, yetto hear it from its users..Unicorn: Everyone who have drivenit said that it is the most refined engine they’ve ever rode.. It is not a bike designed for above 70 or 80 kmph but it makes great sense if within those limits.. Mileage is almost 50 and pick up and looks are also cool.. But the service dept. sucks.. I’ve seen it literally when my friend started sending mails to HONDA, when his dealer said that there is a design level manufacturing flaw inthe bike and they cannot do anything about it.. (Do visit, http://www.consumercomplaints.in.. Unicorn makes a huge list there)… So someone who owns a unicorn please do write about its maintanence.. heard about rusting in unicorn too…GS150R: I have no idea about this bike.. I rarely see people riding these bikes in city and they look like they’ve taken a decision too early in buying this bike.. What is the price of the bike.. What would be the mileage.. Looks are quite okay..(Better than extreme or hunk).. please give a suggestion about this bike in a nutshell…FZ16: The bike which is the most discussed topic in OUR bikeadvice.in…. Someone pls tell me what are the problems faced by the user after buying this bike.. Does the bike start in winter.. as there is no kicker, is the self start reliable,, Price is too much for what we get.. In one way the looks are great.. But in the other way, in comfort view does this bike really scores well… Short silencer and toy looking digi console are downturns… Wat is the true mileage of the bike in city.. Will it suit tall guys or short..PLS HELP…Deepak or saad or Chinmay dangre.. Expecting some replies fromyou people as i’ve found yours very proffessional…Thanks
Srini

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Citra September 8, 2009 at 6:23 am

Hi, nice topic. I’m from indonesia. I’m looking to buy apache or pulsar. Yes, we got an indian invasion here in indonesian, that add more choice for the buyer. In indonesian, sport bike like apache and pulsar have to compete with japanese in already small marketshare (15%). Yes, we do like underbone and scooter. We got even an underbone called suzuki satria with 150cc dohc engine and weight only less than 100kg. You can look for it in wikipedia and search suzuki raider.
For 20 years, the sport segment in indonesia is not improving too well. The best sport bike is only yamaha v-ixion (the naked bike version from r15), the only bike that offer fuel injection. All sport bike in indonesia looks the same, with rounded headlight and borring design. We don’t have much choice until pulsar and apache arrives. They offer something new to us. New style and feature with reasonable price too.
Rocking the 15% marketshare that even make yamaha indonesia think to import fz16 from your country (they already road tested it).

And here i’m, looking for a good advice about indian sport bike.

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sreekanth October 9, 2009 at 7:24 pm

hi i am planning to take a bike in 150cc segment can u plz suggest for nice bike with 40+ milleage.

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shibusenthil September 29, 2012 at 2:59 pm

please buy apache or fz!!!!!!!!!!!

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sreekanth October 9, 2009 at 7:25 pm

hi i am planning to take a bike in 150cc segment can u plz suggest for nice bike with 40+ milleage.
i decided for fazer and unicorn which one will best

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VG January 23, 2010 at 8:01 am

i owned tvs fiero from the last 9 years and i think its a great bike to drive and i almost run 125000 kms. i also own rtr160 from the last 3 years touching 25000 kms but it runs very smooth without giving any problems.

tvs made a great impression on the road leaving pulsars behind with its style, looks and everything

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Bike Freak February 1, 2010 at 9:11 pm

yea i got d apache rtr 160 last month.. awesm bike.. love its sound…

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john franklin February 3, 2010 at 11:14 am

Hello friends……..
Pulsar: first, i broght the pulsar 180cc.I feel myself better for nealy 6-7 months only.then it becomes uncomfortable about myself…

Apache: Oh………….Ya,it’s a greatest thing.Because it’s pickup & speed is amazing….! i have reached 132Km/hr in highways …….Really superb BIKE…!!!!!

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zaheer February 17, 2010 at 5:35 pm

first take a test drive on fz and decide.. i choose yamaha.. yes yamaha

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Vaibhav March 30, 2010 at 10:16 pm

Really good comparison
has completely cleared all my doubts
I’m gonnna go FZ

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kedar April 6, 2010 at 3:32 am

hi all

iwud like to share my views,
pulsar is a big no.no..coz the bike gives out its life in 1 to 2 years, its like a chinese bike use n throw it, ride is not comfortable, handling is also worse,milage is decent for 1 year then forget it.color of the bike fades out very soon, the paint quality is very poor,engine looses its power after 6 mnths,if you hear a pulsar it sounds like its running at a very high speed but cud have hardly touched 80kmph,the silencer of any bajaj bike is a failure,it has to rust coz not made with good quality metal…bajaj never..

about HH extreme or hunk, same bike with diffrnt clothes as same as cbz,from the time HH launched the cbz the engine block remains the same,the CC has been changed from cbz to karizma, i do not understand why HH karizma has so skinny tyres, it feels like a BULL with chicken legs, i cud see it only in yamaha FZs and 16 again the same problem strikes to yamaha R15 chicken legs with sports shoes(disk brake)

the milage given by any HH bike is pretty decent but the fiber used for thes bikes rattle after some months,even yamaha, pulsar, HH,

yamaha will give you style and a little comfort for pillion coz there is no cushion used, i had to change and custom make the seat, riding position in HH bikes are good even the milage..yamaha in that case looks are good the meter console is also good ride decent milage is 35 – 40 kmpl on a steady speed of 65 – 70 kmph. coz i went to pune from mumbai on FZS pick up is average less vibration, the hick up is the fuel tank is of only 10 litr, so refuling on long journey can be a problem, in mumbai the spares to reach customers is just 3 months … so keep waiting …road grip is good..does not vibrate at 70 – 75 even touched 110kmph gets unstable after 80kmph.. then forget milage..

tvs apache on the other hand looks like one more common bike with with flashy lipstick and lots of lip gloss,it vibrates at 80kmph..but this time the tyres suit the bike coz both are skinny.. milage is ok as compared to FZS..but the oil filter is a huge problem u have to replace it every time you change the engine oil coz its very this and if not changed bike wont start..bike is quiet noisey any sounds cranky,like ur biting a carrot.. for FZS as it does not have a kick start people are facing problrms even me coz the battries are not strong enough coz the headlamps..the indicators, the meter lights are always on even during day light u cannot switch off..the battery provided is a 12 volt battery but a smaller version..

evey service station in mumbai that i’ve had been is worse coz they take your bike in the service station and you are not even aware what parts have been changed..coz during a maor operation even the doctors it live on the tv where the relatives cud see what really is happening ….
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CAMERA AS FOR THE MECHANICS DO ON YOUR BIKE CUD BEE SEEN IN THE WAITING ROOM.
SO THAT NO CHEATING WILL BE DONE TO THE CUSTOMERS

please dont get confused i have put forth my views coz i had owned cbz pulsar 150 dtsi..avenger 180..tvs rtr 160 and now yamaha fzs

THANKS FOR THIS SITE,
will be in touch biker brothers
kedar powar

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kiran September 19, 2010 at 11:04 pm

ha haa….
i love this topic,for better looks fz may be fit but for remaining categories including looks apache makes u good.
yes, it’s easily go 100kmph in 5 sec and better mileage than any 160 cc bike, when we ride these two bikes FZ& APACHE fz is cool & calm, apache makes u a sports biker..now which u will choose it?

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Girish October 12, 2010 at 7:04 pm

Hey I own Apache 160 dual disc. not the FI. I am Just crossing 2000km mark. riding for 2 mnths. But day by day i love the bike more and more. Its correct that the machine vibrates at 70s but it gives additional feel and power. handling is superb. i crossed 60km/hr in just 4sec. dont think am riding rashly. I did it just to knw whether the name RTR suits for it. IT DOES. this machine attracts other riders and calls for chasing. in highways i used to get 54 – 57km/liter. i used to go for long trip. ( 240km 5 times). it gives back pain. but i suggest that it is the posture of our seating that gives this pain. while riding for long tine our back bends. that give hip pain. i realised it. it is very difficult to bring to neutral. but i dont know wat engineering they did. if u switch off the bike it easily comes to neutral but not wen it is in on position. now am planing to go for 720km ride on this machine ;)

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Gopi Krishna.ch November 2, 2010 at 6:29 pm

Hi, i want to purchase a new bike of 150 cc i want to know which one is best bike of herohonda cbz xtreme, tvs apache rtr160 & yamaha fz kindly give me a best suggestion

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sadath November 14, 2010 at 7:13 pm

haii go for suzuki gxr 150 the best power style .realy very nice bike.i using this last 1 year

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rintu April 15, 2011 at 5:23 am

hi frnds
I preffer hero honda bikz coz am usin cbz frm 02 to present it hav the power to challenge pulser and another 150 cc bikez . If we are ridin cbz decently it givz the milage of 45 to 50 ….
Frnds nw am planin to take new fz is tat gud

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Mani S April 26, 2011 at 8:22 pm

I was wondering if the back problems in Apache are really a concern or can i go ahead with the bike. My height is around 5 10 and i have few back problems.

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Salman July 31, 2011 at 1:14 pm

well … i would say YAMAHA FZ is “The Best” bike in 150-160 cc segment …. if u guys worried abt the mileage then i would suggest u to go for 100 or 125 cc bikes …. more or less almost all 150cc bikes will give same mileage like 38-40 km/lit …. but who cares abt mileage when u can go from 0-60km/hr in just 5 sec …. i own FZ and i bet its worth of each and every single penny i’ve paid …. if any one planning to take 150cc bike then dont think any thing just blindly go to yamaha showroom and purchase FZ …. Yes Yamaha !!

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cheemanjhinga August 1, 2011 at 3:05 pm

RTR is a bad performer.Good comments for RTR are rediculous and hence the comparision.Please if you pepole don’t have any knowledege about bikes you should not post such blogs.FZ Rocks,No comparision.Apache Sucks……………………… Apache Overall rating should be 4/10….

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aniket August 12, 2011 at 3:19 pm

apache is nice…

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aniket August 12, 2011 at 3:22 pm

I own Apache 160 dual disc. i used to go for long trip. my friend also purches 180. it is nice bike. APACHE ROCKS………………………

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samarth s gowda August 19, 2011 at 10:45 am

WHoa!! real confused after all these comments..god!! i’ve fallen in love wid FZ’s looks..but the mileage factor is kinda wanting me to change my opinion! pulsar’s nice i heard esp in mileage and handling..but it’s just too common! im confessign..i want a stand out bike..so im narrowing down my options to APACHE RTR 180 ABS and the FZ! so if i cud get a clear cut explanation as to which bike is better..it wud be nice!! im 6 ft tall..so comfort is also a top priority..and mileage..!! handling and performance is required..and i dont wanna go to those 3 figure speeds..so i really am not lookin for raw power!! advice required pls!!!

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nahid bangladesh September 3, 2011 at 11:42 pm

In bangladesh we can not found 180cc bike..we only got 150 cc bike in market.. Which will b bettar apache 150 or fzs ???

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Lakshmi Narayanan September 7, 2011 at 11:00 am

Hi guys am decided to buy a bike which s better to choose……….
plz give ur review…..

My option s Unicorn, CBZ Xtreme, FZ

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Pushkar October 20, 2011 at 1:39 pm

YAMAHA FZ16 is undoubted winner with good speed, breathtaking looks and engine quality.
Hats off to Japanese technology. Yamaha parts are extremely durable. No adjustment with quality of engine. It is super refined.

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jeet majumder November 11, 2011 at 6:12 pm

i thnk in 150cc segmnt.u mst go for apache160..it’s smply awesm…

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Rajesh January 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm

Hi Guys,

I got the apache160 Hyperedge. Not at all satisfied with the Bike and its Repairs. Please dont go for it.

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nishanth kumar February 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm

@Rajesh……
hey dude if u have got a new there will not be any problem…. though if it is it is because of u that is ur maintanance………….
i too own apache rtr 160 hyper edge (november 2010)…. it runs awesome and has no problems…. my top speed in my monster is 132 km/hr. and stills it is too good… my bike milage is 51 km/lit.
APACHE ALWAYS ROCKS……… GUYS ALWAYS GO ONLY FOR APACHE racing throttle response 160………………

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abhishek March 28, 2012 at 8:20 am

GYUS I M OWNER OF APACHE RTR160 and its really a good bike.
speed of 124kmph , an averge of 50 in highway & 45kmpl in city , great breaking system
differs the bike from all other 150cc bikes.

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harish March 29, 2012 at 7:11 am

hi i would like to knw one thing which one is preferable apache RTR 160 Hyper Edge or 160 EFI

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harish March 29, 2012 at 7:13 am

hiii all i am planning to buy a bike which one do i prefer apache 160 EFI or apache160 Hyper Edge please suggest me if any other bikes are there of around 150cc which has better performance than this with a mileage of around 45

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vinu April 13, 2012 at 12:12 am

rtr jerky and bad handling @ speed more than 60,unicorn smooth cmfrtbl bad seating,fz seating handling are outstanding but f we use roughly affects milage badly.ma opinion always yamaha

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vinu April 13, 2012 at 12:17 am

nishanth its not kids corner134kmph blah…. blah…blah…,u have bright future in kids magazines.

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vinu April 13, 2012 at 12:20 am

strictly follow the speed and rpm regulations pointe out in mannul den milage will above 40 ,from ma exprnc wid fz

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Jagadeeesh May 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Hi guys, am using Yamaha FZS..getng milege 40kmpl..Covered 1100km..Telling from heart..This bike is very nice compared to Pulsar, Apache…Get New FZS ..it was modified with wider sheet, meter,color,etc…Awesome bike:)

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Vignesh May 19, 2012 at 8:17 am

hi guys Apache rtr 180 rocks but 160 poor bike should compared with passion plus.. lots of vibration at 70kmph itself.. FZ awesome bike ever… pulsar owner may say”i too have 150cc bike” tats it.. for ever apache 180 and fz rocks…

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raj July 27, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Hi guys I was in confusion til whether I should buy a fz , cbz, unicorn.
BUt I hav decided to take Fz s…carefully reading all u r comments.. Thanks a lot… the reason for Fz s guys is tat it makes every one on road look at u wit its breath taking looks..yamaha rockz…..

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prathamesh July 28, 2012 at 11:28 pm

i ll go for apache160!

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prathamesh July 28, 2012 at 11:32 pm

after couple of years FZ gives average around 36kmpl!!
hahaha…!!and i have seen many of them…..

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Mrinmoy August 3, 2012 at 9:28 am

M goin for Apache hyper edge.. guys go for APACHE HYPER EDGE 160 or 180 IF U ARE A REAL BIKER . Fz suks dnt go for only looks.. Ya fz has gud luks bt power its jst too poor den Apache . . Apache is the realy sports bike .. Mileage + power +loks nt so bad .. These thngs makes dis bike sports king of all 150cc or 160cc . .

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velluvel September 29, 2012 at 3:01 pm

BIKES GOD….
######################APACHE###########################
IT RULE THE ROAD

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velluvel September 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm

TRY NEW SERIES OF APACHE IT IS VIBRATION LESS

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Sailen October 19, 2012 at 2:08 pm

Go for Apache….. once u ride it ..u forget other bike.. such is the power of RTR ….
M riding my Rtr 160 for more than 2 yrs now… still massive pick up..
While the traffic light turns green… apache is the first to zooooom out..
Hahahaha… i guess i wud habe been able to see others face but ahhhh they shid come near me to do that… never happened except for another rtr to catch me up..

ITS THE BEAST IN INDIAN ROADS..RTR … BEAWAREEE ;-)

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Vikrant Singh October 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm

firstly i was planning to tell my brother that he should buy rtr….he is 18 years old but when i saw fzs from that day i love it………i love fzs…..cooooool

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vikas December 25, 2012 at 12:57 am

***FZ S is the best 1 as comperison to apache, i lv fz (FZ is the bike for those who want to stand out of the crowd with the super sexy looks and who doesn’t mind paying those extra pennies for the sake of competing practicality and definitely for those who are Yamaha lovers.)

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janjan February 22, 2013 at 11:06 am

I am john of Philippines, I owned Apache for less than a year and I am so disappointed with the overall performance of my bike 40/100 – it sucks! I even plan of disposing my bike to my friend. For those who are planning to purchase new bike please don’t buy one for you will only regret at the end. For those who gave good feedbacks for apache please stop and don’t share the hassle you encountered with your apache bike.

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rag May 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Hi ,
Im riding FZ-S from last 2.5 years. It gives me mileage of 37-42kmpl.
The max speed It reached is 117kmpl. and i found no vibrations even at that much top speeds. I love this bike. Looks very pretty.

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RAZOR July 10, 2013 at 6:35 pm

I also want to by a tvs apache rtr 160 hyper edge, but listen that rear tyre is little bit slippery . so , should i use MRF ZAPPER Q for rear tyre and one more question should i buy double disc instead of single disc hyper edge . please suggest me

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shubham verma August 10, 2013 at 9:25 pm

plz suggest me nike APACHE RTR 160cc dual disc or fz s
according to mileage and performance of engine

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