Hi, I have an Apache Fi for the past 1 year, so I would like to share my thoughts and experience about my bike. Apache Fi has both Pros and Cons.
Pros: It is the fastest bike in its price segment. Though I have not taken my Apache Fi on a long ride, I still have crossed 120kmph many times on my way to my office, and I have topped 125kmph. I have also reached 111kmph in the 4th gear. I believe that my Apache Fi can cross 130kmph if i find a longer road. Apache-Fi can match any bike in 0 to 60kmph timing.
I have personally reached 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds, and I have heard about some people with even 3.8seconds timing. So you can even keepup with R15 and pulsar 220 up to 85kmph. but after that, the R15 and Pulsar 220 may take over Apache Fi, since those two bikes have higher top speeds (10 to 20kmph). No other bike in India will give the the ADRENALINE RUSH like Apache Fi can!
I have had many duels in this 1 year. I have dueled with pulsar-150, 180, 200, FZ16, CBZ extreme and Karizma. Overtaking Pulsar 150, CBZ Exteme, FZ16 and pulsar 180 are a piece of cake, as long as you sit on an Apache Fi. Once I saw an FZ16 and I went close to him and raised my throttle holding my clutch with the intention of calling him for a duel. First the Yamaha gur raised the throttle and went forward, and after few seconds I started raising my throttle and my bike started catching him effortlessly. Seeing this, the Yamaha rider gave up his battle and started commuting.
Overtaking a Karizma was also not so hare up to the 4th gear. Once, on a duel with a old Karizma (non R version), I tested my relative pickup in 1,2,3,4 and 5th gear. The Karizma struggled to even stay close to my Apache Fi up to the 4 th gear. But in the 5th gear, It matched my bikes performance. May be, he could have overtaken me if the road was longer since the Karizma had higher top speed, but the road was not that long, so I showed hell to that Karizma rider.
And during my race with Pulsar 200, It was very close. Above 50kmph speed, the Pulsar 200 can match my Apache Fi’s performance neck to neck. Though I over took the Pulsar 200 many a times during the battle, I think it was only due to my superior riding skills. But above 100 kmph, the pulsar was able to catch me slowly (inch by inch) even with a pillion on the pulsar’s back. So I believe that Pulsar 200 has better pickup than Apache Fi above 100 kmph. And that’s due to the difference in the torque. while the Pulsar 200 has around 17+nm of torque, my Apache Fi only has 13.1nm of torque.
About the vibration factor: Of course Apache Fi does vibrate between 65 to 75km speed. The vibration was heavy when the bike was new, but the vibration went down with time. But still the vibration is present, I no longer feel it. May be I just got used to it and so I don’t feel it any more. Just like others said, The vibration do make you feel that you are on a very powerful bike. I am getting a mileage of around 45kmpl. I travel around 33km every day in a mixture of by-pass road and city road.
The front petal disk breaks are the sharpest. The suspensions are good (a bit harder than Pulsar’s). The sitting position is sporty. It will give you awkward feeling at first, but after few days of ride, you will hate other sitting positions. The Apache’s rear break lever is the most stylish break lever in India.
Cons: Though Apache Fi has good pickup, it lacks in power, so you will feel a heavy drop in pickup if you have a heavy pillion at the back seat, and that’s due to the Short-Stroke engine, which is good for producing high BHP (15.7 bhp), but poor torque (13.1 nm). Even in windy days, I have felt heavy drop in the pickup. Once on a windy day, My Apache Fi struggled to go beyond 103kmph. Apache Fi is a pure racing breed, so it will perform very well when provided an ideal track condition, but on the roads, its performance is not that great always.
Though the front disk breaks are the best, the rear disk break in Apache Fi is the WORST. The rear disk is worse than the conventional drum breaks. Technically, we don’t need a disk break for the rear tyre on bikes which cannot cross 160kmph. However, the rear disk adds to the style of the bike (2000 Rs extra for rear disk breaks (which is nothing but waste of money). I wonder why TVS engineers, after making an awesome bike like Apache Fi, decided to put the USELESS TVS tires to the bike.
TVS Tyres Suck! With all that great petal front breaks, and useless tyres, which cannot grip the road even in dry condition, you only tend to lose confidence at high speeds. You feel like skating on the ice when you are on wet roads or roads with mud in its top. It would have been great, if TVS had put MRF zappers (tubeless) for the Apache Fi.
Since TVS is new the the Electronic Fuel Injection Technology, the Apache Fi also have some minor problems. My bike tend to lose power around 2500 to 4000 rpm when the engine gets heated. It feels like there is no proper petrol flow to the engine. Though I spoke about it the service mechanics during all my services, They couldn’t rectify the fault. They only try to convince me that there is no such fault at all with the bike.
My Conclusion: I believe that Apache Fi is a good package overall, for the money you pay. Though Apache Fi is not a head turner like FZ-S, it is a good performer. Few years ago, I have seen many people buying Pulsar 150 and attaching it with a very large rear tyre. Though those bikes will struggle to accelerate with those huge tires, they loved it that way. So, now you don’t have to do that any more, because Yamaha has factory fitted their FZ series bikes with 140/60, 100/60 tires. So the FZ series bikes is for those who would love to modify their bikes to look good, but don’t bother much about their performance.
Ofcourse, the performance bikes will never look as good as the cruiser bikes or the choppers or the nacked bikes. Suzuky Hayabusa can not match the Harley Davidson’s V-rod in its look. Apache Fi also does not look as good as FZ’s since Apache Fi is a performer. Apache Fi and FZ are two entirely different type of bikes which are fulfilling what they are meant to do.
Some people prefer FZ to Apache Fi just because FZ belongs to Yamaha. I think that’s completely foolish because, after RX135, the company Yamaha was manufacturing nothing but CRAP bikes (few of those craps are Crus, YBX, Enticer, Gladiator, Fazer-125, etc.). My advice to those people is: appreciate the product for its character, but not for its brand. Hope my review helped atleast few. Thank you friends.
- Pravin
BikeAdvice Reader
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Great article Pravin, thank you for sharing it with the readers of BikeAdvice!
Apache RTR 160-Fi is indeed a great overall package from TVS.
I liked the Duel parts… I was in it 6-7 years back with Rx-100. Nothing matched it, reminds me of good old days. Now I am a different trophy on road with Electra 5s, calm, complacent & deeply in touring not commuting and definitely not racing.
The RTR Fi has been amongst the most successful tvs bikes of all time, there has been a superior fan base for this bike that can be seen on the forums of several websites. Owners say its got more power than the p180 and can stand on par with the p200. Well documented pravin… If thats how good the 160 is, then one can just imagine how good the 180 will be… as they say… ride it to believe it…
Nice article Pravin.The performance figures are breathtaking for 160cc but these TVS bikes are not last for longer runs,i mean over the time it gives lots of troubles.This is my personal experiance with TVS Victor.
Dear Pravin,
I would rather request you not to compare the Apache RTRs with the Yamaha YZF R15 & Bajaj Pulsar 220…especially NOT AT LEAST with the R15. I went through your article ‘Apache RTR 160 Fi – It’s Pros And Cons’. And came across these sentences :
“So you can even keepup with R15 and pulsar 220 up to 85kmph. but after that, the R15 and Pulsar 220 may take over Apache Fi, since those two bikes have higher top speeds (10 to 20kmph). No other bike in India will give the the ADRENALINE RUSH like Apache Fi can! ”
and also this one:
“Apache Fi is a pure racing breed…”
What exactly do you mean by ‘PURE RACING BREED’ ????????
Do you know how much it takes to be a pure racing breed bike ?? You must know that only your displacement & brake horse power don’t make any racing bike…
Let me ask you…have u ridden the R15 ??
What do you mean by “…may take over…” ??
And let me tell you…you can NEVER keep up with an R15 upto 85 kmph. You have said yourself that you have done a ’0 to 60′ in 3.9 secs….or lets say, as per the other guy 3.8 secs….but I do the same on my R15 in 3 secs FLAT….and I do it several times a day…
I have personally achieved 133 kmph on my R15…and I was NOT an expert rider then…had I been, I would have taken it to 140 or even more…but I ran out of straight stretch of the highway…and moreover I didn’t have any protective gear / racing kit then…
But you please simply forget any RTR to match performance with the R15…at least for the time being….
Ride the Yamaha YZF R15…then only you will feel what a real “ADRENALINE RUSH” is like….
Thanks and Regards,
Sayak…
Nice article man. But i cant understand 1 thing that the Bajaj pulsar 180 DTS-i 2009) has more torque and horsepower than the TVS Apache RTR 160Fi than how can it beat the Pulsar 180.
My 1 friend has pulsar 180(2009) and another has apache 160Fi they had a drag race(alomost 400 metres)almost a month ago but the result was 180DTS-i beat the 160Fi. Both the racers are outstanding riders. And i saw the race both were neck to neck in starting but after crossing near 100 metres the pulsar took the lead and pulsar won the race..
Fantastic analysis, this will surely come very worthy for those who have to either buy this or the Pulsar 180.
Hi Sayak
Id like to comment on your claim on the R15 taking 3 seconds to hit 60,
according to a recent edition of bike india which tested bikes with a Racelogic VBOX – the worlds most accurate speed testing device, the new Pulsar 220 took 4.80 seconds, the RTR 180 took 4.62 seconds, the Karizma R took 4.77 seconds and the R15′s time stood at 5.12 seconds.. TVS claims the RTR 180 to be the fast bike from 0-60 in India.. you may also know that the RTR fi is much lighter than the R15, and hence has a better power to weight ratio. TVS has been in racing for almost 20 years, so the racing breed claim cannot be ruled out like that… 3 seconds flat to 60 is simply not possible for a bike that heavy…
Dear Pravin, I must say that this is not the best article I’ve read about Apache RTR 160 Fi till now. I don’t want to comment on your’s or Sayak’s comments (you people carry on) but I just want to ask you, what do you mean by “Apache Fi is a pure racing breed…”?? Thats the main problem with most of the Indian biker. They flooded themselves with some fake and bullshit hype of the advertisement. Their emotions are completely controlled by the Marketing Managers of those two wheeler’s company. If you people think yourself a true biker and want to squeeze more adrenalin then try to think independently. (“Please don’t be santoosht, aur zada wish karo…” atleast a baby Ninja).
Pravin and Shayak, a drag race winning doesn’t mean that the winning bike have a better throttle response.. Winning in any race mostly depends on the rider’s capability to control a bike and his strength of mind..isn’t it….
I really think even though you are riding bike for a 1yr now u cant b sure on bikes grip on track…
i’m riding RTR 160(non Fi) for one and half yrs n i almost got my knee down on sharp turn at 70 kmph….
whn u r on Apache RTR (take any i.e. 160,160Fi or latest 180) u can n really can throw d bike in to corners fearlessly coz superb handling AND “” TYERS STICK ON ROAD”"(MY EXPERIENCE IN WET CONDITIONS AS WELL)…..N abt rear disks u need 2 check it out…coz u need 2 adjust ‘dm little 4 effective breaking……it sure helps………
just love that you compared all the bikes including the 200 to the FI, some people mite not like it but to someone going to buy his first bike, this definitely helps
thanks man well written
Wow!! refreshing comments.. I liked the comments equivalent to article itself.
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At any race only bike statistics doesnot count. Else only one companies bike would have won all the races till date (which I hope you all agree is not the case). There are hundreds of factors.
But still, people (including me) find themself in a race. Trying to prove that their machine is best and mimmicking Rossi.
I like the Racing DNA unleashed by TVS and surely belive Apache to be the fastest mode of reaching point Y from X. (Atleast, what I have seen on road…
Hi Pravin,
I wud like to jolt down your points onebyone.
1) Racing breed. Ooooops sorry Pure racing breed.
Yamaha has taken nearly 50yrs in his existance to design a bike. He knows in and out of a bike segment. TVS Started
its life with sozoooki and then the brand bcame popular.
Still i can say, Apache engine is REBORED FIERO Engine. I got this info by a racing team. So ur first point sucks.
TVS by itself is not a racing breed. Well we will see how TVS exists in racing track after they drop FIERO Engine.
As already TVS had their own engine in 125 segment, which is not as gud as any other 125 cc bikes[Branded Bikes].
2) When you start commenting about R15, make sure that you know in and out of it and then comment. The techonology behind
R15 is still unmatched by other bikes. R15 is the most practical bikes on the racing track. APACHE FI can’t even match
R15 foot.
3) “No other bike in India will give the the ADRENALINE RUSH like Apache Fi can!” Have you ever tried riding on R15,
Without knowing what is what simply commenting on what others r doing goes wasted.
4)Top Speed. Yeah i do accept that APACHE FI clocks 125. But personally i felt, the shocks are completely useless asit
cant even manage the small bumps. Bike goes terribly dancing on the road which i can prove it. These can be easily handled
with its eyes closed by crux, gladiator, libero which you have commented as crap bikes.
5) Capabilities of the so called Crap Bikes mentioned by you .
Have you ever tried riding a long distance on crux,libero or gladiator which goes effortlessly to a longer distance
and you will never feel the tiringness. I have travelled from chennai to banglore at the constant speed of 80 Kmph
in crux and this happens very frequently. The Vehicle as clocked more than 50K on the odo and the engine is able to perform
the same as it was new. When you talk something as crap, you have mentioned only about the brand, but the most important
point is QUALITY that u havent specified anywhere in your blog.
I dont think TVS will reach such milestones in
1) Reliablity
2) Durablity
3) Quality
4) Performance.
What crux has performed till now in my case will not even be matched by any indian 100 cc or even 125 cc bikes.
6) Gladiator . Heeeee heeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeee .. Sorry my friend, with this gladiator we have passed APACHE
many times because of the ease of driving provided by the gladiator.Apache may be a good handler in its segment only
when it is compared with other INDIAN bikes. Do not compare the handling capabilities of APACHE with any of the japanses
bikes. Your *** will be burnt.
I think lemme start with this this,Hope as a good reveiewer go and try the bikes u have mentioned and then come up
with the valid points,
Crappy suggestions will be encouraged.
NOTE: The bike which are not gud at sales doesnt mean that they r CRAP. We own, 6 gladiators, one sooozoooki GS 150,
one crux, one unicorn, one libero and one FZ and one R15. We started with crux and it showed us the perfect definition’
for quality and we bought the listed bikes.
Thanks
SSR
Blind yam lover…lol…passed apache with gladiator…in your wet dreams,perhaps?
I only do agree on the quality front…racewise, in this country, TVS and YAMAHA are an even match,pls update yourself at the racing schools info on a daily basis, and you will know. stop making foolish statements if u cannot back them up with relevant data!
hey i too own an rtr fi…I really hate that bike bcos of vibration…but now r u sure that it will gradually go….
@sayak,
Not sure, that R15 clocks 0-60 in 3 secs but for sure APACHE FI should not be compared with R15 as R15 advances very far in its technology .
hey hay he…
here we are not to quarrel….
leave R-15 itz a masterpiece
lets talk abo FZ and APACHE FI(almost same price tag)
both FZ and Apache are made for different purpose
one is made for looks and cruising
and another one is made for thrill
as we can c their ads also
i have personal xprnc with both bikes
FZ is best handling in itz class and looks wise 10/10
but if u are a thrill lover and dont bother the looks and APACHE FI is the best bike in itz class…
my roomate and me both have diff FZ and APACHE FI
so u cant beat APACHE FI in race
and same u cant beat FZ in itz looks and control and cruising in city
and pls stop talking BRAND BRAND ………………like a kid
and if we will talk about the brand
this is a market of competition
and engg sitting there are more skillful than u all
the top management always kno that wat will happen to their company if they will manufacture bad product
so dont talk YAMAHA or TVS if u are matured enough to think the above comment of mine
U may all kno that all bikes are manufacturing in india only
so u will get the same everywhere
both bikes have their own merits and demerits
going through brand is the foolish thing in this modern world
chk the performance
FAIR & LOVELY is selling their product from decades with a confidence that all will go for a old brand and the result u all kno very well “how many life changed from black to white hahahhaha”
I WANT SOME COMMENT FROM SSR AND SAYAK
If you think just cause bike didnt have sales its crap then sorry Mr. Pravin, i must say that you are crap. I even wonder if you have rode any of the Cruxs, YBXs, and so on. I own a 10 year old Yamaha YBX which still give me 60+ average and have a great pick up, i even manage to race ahead any 150s on my this 125cc crap in inital gears. Afterwords its a cc game algether. It was the Yamaha India’s worst marketing strategies which contributed to the bikes failure and it had nothing to do with the bike quality and performance. I literally havent seen a single Yamaha owner who compaints the bike is crap. I would also like to mention that I respect TVS very much for what they have done after broke up with Suzuki. I even like their Victor very much, and I like it not because its had a great sales, I like it because i rode it for long time and i know what it is capable of. Sure one of the best 100cc bikes.
I would request you to please ride a bike for some time before commenting it as a crap.
Every bike has a charactor, and YAMAHA was the first one to introduce a bike as a charactor, if you know the past.
Each one have different choice of charactors.
If you like Bipasha Basu and not Aishwarya, then Aishwarya becomes crap for you. So I would advice you to respect others choice.
As you correctly mentioned “Apache Fi and FZ are two entirely different type of bikes which are fulfilling what they are meant to do.” Then if Apache is not fulfiling something, it dont become scrap to me. It is a great bike for me, even if I am die hard YAMAHA fan.
Hi Everyone…
Apache has been true racing machine since its launch…….and let me tell u know the big brother is here APACHE RTR 180 ….i purchased it the day when its launched….this bike Apache Rtr 180 is superb ..it beats everyone …….even if you go for drag race i am sure you cant win with This machine…..because this is ..amazing…
Whenever you will take pickup in Apache 180 you will feel Robust throttle response… i am sure few Bike lovers will definately go for wheelie that time because it is so easy in this bike…
Belive me guys just take a test Ride….of new Apache RTR 180 and you will feel where other bikes stand…
Hello Guys,
I have completed LEh-Ladakh tour on Apache FI 160cc.
i am more satisfied with the overall performance with my bike.
we had Yamaha RZ also in our group, which literally caused many troubles to one & all….
so my choise Apache FI
APACHE=USELESS=VELAIKU AAGATHU=BAKWAS
Let me Explain the Truth behind this statement,
I bought a TVS Apache 150 cc in early 2007, The Reason for going for TVS in the place of much advanced gadgetry Pulsar is quite stupid, I belong to Tamil Nadu and its Made in Tamil Nadu.
Mileage wise Yes its TVS, Still runs 60 KMPL solid.
But performance wise I was able to Kick many Pulsars in the beginning, I used to feel like a King when I used to ride my Apache.(Coz I had experience only with 100cc bikes before).
All my Good days ended soon, After an Year the engine’s performance had a lot of change.Sounds Awkward at High RPM, The engine will not at all respond after 6000Rpm, Vibrates Like Hell. Complained to TVS multiple times, they cant do anything coz is the bike’s Refinement.
Now its two Years my bike will not pass 90 kmph so sad. Honestly the bike wont respond after that, Bikes Like Shine,Splendor easily take over me after 80 KMPH. I feel afraid to go near ZMA,P220etc
I heard similar performance issues with TVS RTR and PULSAR, but not with HH, Honda and Yamaha.
I have personally taken a Gladiator in a Highway for 150 kms its was solid, Engine was so smooth, Too good.
Then I understood that I have to come out of Tamil nadu to see the world. So I bought a R15 it too good. As I mentioned before it almost an year no change in the Engine sound, Its exact the same sound. No drop in performance/Mileage 50Kmpl or rather the bike has become more smooth after 8000 Kms.
So My Sincere Advice to Everyone is to Select good Product from Good Brands. As good brands never compromise in Quality.
Good Brands in India of course Yamaha and Honda. Disappointed Honda doesn’t have much variants for Youth. So Yamaha is the undisputed champion.
If you dont believe in these words then better Buy an APACHE RTR or a PULSAR and please update this forum after two years.
But Guys I am not against brands Coz check out the Ninja awesone, But thats not Bajaj its Kawasaki as I told before Brand Name Matters.
Go For a Good Brand and be Happy.
Super Thalla!! Evengaluku enetha sonnalum vilangathu. People must avoid Both Bajaj and Tvs.
@ur father
man its not the bike it is the maintainace
i also own an apache FI version but didn’t get any issues like u..
brand brand brand
yamaha honda HH
they all get manufactured in india only
ur yamaha R15 is also not imported
is u are paying more u will get good quality of course better technology
rest of all depends on ur bikes maintainance
it is around 8k km but it got more smooth than earlier
still touches 100 kmph within secs and still goes 120+
and mileage 50+ in city
IN this market of competition no one is goin to throw a product that lacks from other either in technology or performance
also one of my frnd has apache fi when launched taht means around 18 months
no major issues at all
no bike is bad or good
all have some merits and demerits
so choose bike by its performance and ur need not BRAND
and yes u need not to think so much bcoz there are greeat engg.ss. are sitting having better knoldg that urs about technology and market
and yes splendor does not go beyond 80-85 kmph
I Absolutely agree with this statement Jak,
*****IN this market of competition no one is goin to throw a product that lacks from other either in technology or performance**********
But the Question here is REFINEMENT, I suppose most people buy a bike hoping that it would survive fit atleast for 4 years. (thats was many Magazine Survey says).
Are you sure that an RTR or PULSAR do that. After 30K kms you have to sell it or spend a fortune in maintaining it. I know many Second hand Dealers in Chennai,
REFINEMENT is the only reason why a 5 year old Passion plus is Twice costlier than a same 5 year old Pulsar.
For Instance,
Shoes are sold by NIKE and in Local Platforms as well. Which one is Reliable?????????
I say shoes sold in Platforms look similar to ones from NIKE at a Much much low cost.
But the answer is left to you?
Come out of your Brand Patriotism and see the truth.
Heeeee Ho Ho Ho
Yr y u people fighting with Mr. Pravin (Bachche ki Jaan loge kya?)
It is his personal comments about these Bike.
I my Views the all Pulasr and its Brothers & Sisters are sucks in every segment when even compared with TVS Star City (I own both TVS Victor, TVS Star City and TVS Apache RTR160 carb) and have tried all the Pulsar Variants. All the pulsar Variants sucks. Wether it is Busiest “Delhi” Roads or Open “NOIDA Express way” (Simply a good Racing Track) on one can catch me with any Pulsar and this I prove Daily. I travel daily at least 120km with my Apache and till date (from Last one Year) no Pulsarist has come closer to me.
So dear it is the Personal xprnc and comments. We ar just using the bikes and in my Views Every bike has its Own Characteristics and Taste.
To all the Friends here I would just Request that on Road (Specially we Bikers) we are in immense risk of every type, so we should not forget that just by having dueling our self wold not give any result. We can fight our selves that TVS is good or Bajaj is Good or Hero Honda or Yamaha etc. but does it make any sense. Any bike would be best if given proper care and attention. So friend on Road we all bikers are friends. It would be great if any of my friend would agree with me. I dont say we sould not have fun Racing is a fun, and give adrelenine rush in our veins, but critsing others on behalf of chosing his brand is not good.
Freinds i am not giving any UPDESH or BHASHAN but i just want to say we all bikers are friend
Thanks
Apache Boy769
m also agree with urfather
but but but but….
finally we own a bike for the present pleasure
reselling is the last part of it…what wud b the value of 5-10k bucks after 2-3 yrs which u will get free with compromising machines
so wat u owned should give pleasure to u at present
and yes after 25-30k km no bike can give that performance that was earlier
aakhir ek umra hoti hai
at the end of the day
POWER wid MILEAGE does matter….
so choose ur own way
either satisfaction with compro
or njoy 2de kal kisne dekha
Hi Friends,
That was just a comment from my view and nothing to take serious or rather I hope we were never fighting here.
And Apache Boy769, I appreciate your Spirit.
TVS Apache RTR Fi is a good value for money bike. Yamaha R15 is a good bike but the major drawback was it looks like a baby toy.
Your review was good but,
How can u just blindly say after rx135, no bikes r good in yamaha?
YBX has a pickup equivalent to 2 strokes & are used for racing in track!
obviously…..
you have never heard of yamaha
nice to see ur comments …..seems to b an engg in YAHAMA moters…..yes we cant compare these two bikes bcoz both are meant for different purpose:::::with ur stupid comment it seems that u have never read the above parts of this blog…and also lookin the u are new to two wheeler ::: I M not talking about the bicycle MIND IT::::and yes till FZ nad FZS its looks little bit good 75K for a normal 150 CC bike and when they launched FAZER same tech with a 2 grand front mask and raised the price to 82-83 grands like honda stunner did with adding FI and and incresing price by 14 grands to 74 K…..
ON that day I realized that so many fools are in INDIA and these clever companies use them to increase their profit… isn’t it
a 150 CC normal tech bike is 150 CC only :::: if u are purchasing it on 75K or 83 K no need to give comments after that
so if u are a bike lover u sud love technology not BRAND….
after all a if luna engine is fit to a hayabusa or any superbike that dosn’t means that it sud be of 12-13 lacs…
looks are male but engine is fail
this is india and anyhow if u are a average rider of bike then u will never fall from any two wheeler dosn’t matter it is a 100 CC or 150 CC
SO AT the end
neither FZ nor APACHE FI is bad
both are of different purpose so choice is urs
again I M telling
U cant get comfort and handle better than FZ
and cant get that power and speed better than APACHE FI
so use ur brains if u have then comment in this blog….
KIDS ARE NOT ALLOWED
hey sorry about that..the comment was not posted by me instead it was my friend who wrote this arrogant comment….and i am not attracted towards brands and i own a suzuki gs150r….
bye then…..and again sorry about that….
even if we dont hav money..we wish to talk a lot abt whtz happening around yamaha or honda or ducati or harley or ktm or aprilla or bmw or bsa…blah blah blah…:P still..all d above international companies mentioned cannot match with our old is gold splendor from hero honda..which is meant for india..JAI HO..
Can any of these companies bring a bike to the market which costs around the 40ks..80 range mileage..rarely needed services..cheapest spares..very low vibration in cruisin speeds upto 60..runs on and on and on for a very long time without complaints and a very high resale price..tatz hero honda..desh ki dadkan..made in india..for india. so letz hope that one fine day..our indian companies like hero honda..bajaj and tvs reach international standards..and let the world discuss abt dese companies and their new launches..
I have a Yamaha FZ16 Fi.Yeah really.
A FZ with RTR 160 Fi engine.
It’s really awesome.
Hey, Jay Banerjee, cheers man, people who hate Apache please forgive me as I haven’t read all your valuable comments…But what Jay Banerjee says is correct, motorbike that wins the race is not the best…It actually depends on person’s riding and the risk that he takes to prove that his bike is the best, and I think only a fool would do that..Roads are ment to transport and not race..I can bet (Praven – Writer of this useless review) that on tracks Apache would die but not even overtake any one in its category…
The simple thing that Indians like praven do not understand is that race breed motorcycling is not about straight line, its about high speed cornering in U turns and tabel top turns…I am sure that praveen doesn’t know what these turns are, who just talk about racing breed!!!!!
0-60 in 3.9 seconds is what he claims that he has done..I think that he was dreaming!!! never mind.
Praven aysa hain ki jitna hain utne mein khush rehne ki kosish kar rahain aur apne man ko mana raha hain…. kyon ki uske pas itne paisen nahain hain ki voh achi bike kharid saken…….
People rember Moto GP champion 2009 is YAMAHA rider.
Hats off to Valentino Rossi..He is extremely talented and the best today…Number 2 is lorenzo..both from YAMAHA
The Teeam No. 1 is YAMAHA…in MOTO GP 2009
People who talk negative about YAMAHA… look at these figures and keep your mouth shut. OK OK
yo,YAMAHA guy! why the big hulabloo anyway,huh?words are all ya got,eh?why dont u stop blabbering and settle it once and for all in the open strech of a road where it matters?? I got neither r15 nor apache, i am a humble owner of a 220 which i modified *mildly* to eek out 27 pus horses. see if u wanna come drag with me then,wotya say, Yam boy???
plz guys plz don’t fight here
there is no reason to fight here…..i appreciate t5he comments of members…who want to go for Yamaha(as per brand name) will go for it no body can stop him….who wants pure unadulterated performance will go for Apache fi( the name is enough to tell the successful story)…. the money is urs so either spend it for only style or for masculine pure performance with style
and yes my dear frnd Mr satti wat are u comparing? these bykes with GP and mentioning here V R is the most disgusting thing here….
are u going to buy R1 no na?….and yes who races in the city traffic is the biggest fool endangering others life….in India u can find so many roads to go fast. intelligent and educated people buy powerful bikes not to race in city but to have fun on open roads…and enough power to overtake safely.. if u want 2 be like ROSSI go to some institute to learn racing…and here we sud not talk about company but about products….mol karo talwar ka pada rahan do myan…
so have fun with ur brand but only Apache’ians know wat is fun with 160 cc advanced unadulterated mill…
so have a safe ride….
Hi Friends
I can’t understand y u ppl r fytng just for a brand, every one has his own needs and flavours so stop fighting for brands, ryt now m having three bikes Apache RTR 160 carb, Pulser 150 and CBZ ext but among these Apache is my first choice but i have invested my hard earned money for all and spend lot of money just for caring them. You may think that I am mad having all bikes but I am having all these and I prod of them all.
So guys keep riding (SAFELY for Self & Others) and happy journey to all my bikers friend and once you have invested your money forget about ohters just enjoy what you have.
byeeeeeeee
well to start of with….guys i am very much new in this commenting area….and this is my first comment…….so as a first comment i just want it to be something useful to the people out here…..lemme start of with the apache’s VIBRATION problem…..do that really exist?the answer is no…..yes you people won’t believe this but lemme be more clear abt my view……the thing which seems to be a vibration is actually a throttle response that the bike offers(RTR stands for racing throttle response)when you are changing gears….this is infact the answer which is given by one of the mechanic of RAMKAY TVS SERVICE CENTRE when i enquired abt this problem….but go on asking abt the problems he got irritated and offered me to testdrive the apache rtr 180……..well people i really have to tell you this it is such a wonderfull bike yeah the initial pick up is really excellent and you can reach 100 in a seconds and i am really telling you that vibration problem is definetely not there in the bike it is just butter smooth…….and one more thing i wd like to ask the yamaha lovers……do you really think that apache only is causing this vib problem(it isn’t a problem)if yes then go take a ride on RX100,RX135 these are all yamaha products i guess….people i really have to tell u this don’t unrestimate our own country products……APACHE RTR really rocks….so whoever wants jus go for it and i am sure you’ll enjoy the ride…….gud luck:)
hi,i am not able to decide the bike between FZ-16 and Apache-160 Fi. I am looking for more comfortable, powerful and reliable bike among these two. Please suggest which will be better for longer rides also considering the after sales services.
Im planning to buy a RTR 160 FI or RTR 180 before Jan.2010. It would be great if you answer me the below questions.
Is the RTR 180 vibrating at lower speeds (60-80kmph). Bcause thats wat i found searching the web about the bike. And is the vibrations a bit of a bother?.
Also can you tell what mileage are u getting from ur RTR 180?
Which will u suggest in buying? RTR 160 Fi or RTR 180 ???
Pls Email me at dinesh.spn@gmail.com
Thanks in advance
@dinesh
c both bikes are up to mark …although rtr 180 is the byke of the year in 200 category…. and rtr fi u will get advance tech…but the benefit of 180 over 160 that the vibes are highly reduced..but if u go through 160 also u can manage that vibes..mileage wise u have to compro with 180 by 5-8 kmpl…but the power is awesome in its category..and the white color is killing..although the price is almost same the choice is urs…
i own a Apache rtr 160. their are some pros and cons in this bike. but we can not compare this bike to Yamaha R15. Yamaha is too much ahead of tvs interms of technology due to expereince and rnd. but tvs apache is best in its class according to indian manufacturer. it needs some tweaking like change in gear ratio.better head section means (intake and exhaust, cam section.). apache lacks speed in midrange means 60-80 km/h that why tvs changed the gear ratio as well as bore ration of rtr 180. they do not work on rtr 180′s topspeed but on mid range torque and speed. that why whether it is Pulsar 220,200,180 or Yamaha YZF R15, Karizma , R, ZMR no one can beat 0-100km/h speed.RTR 180 is the fastet 0-100 bike in india. if we talk about racing so in real race track 10-30 more top speed has no value there is no straight road so that you can beat in top speed, there are so many turns it depens upon bike acceleration or pickup and ability of driver. so if you race RTR 180 with pulsar 220,200, Yamaha R15, Karizma . then rtr 180 will beat all these bikes. even if other bikes have higher top speed. wait tvs will come up with better high performance bike which will surely beat all these and one most thing is that TVS is always concern about bike price. which is affordable for all not like price tag of above 1 lakh. Tvs what did upto now is much more if we compare to yamaha in terms of total years of experience also bajaj did that both are having good rnd team. reagarding quality and durability of bike or parts. then i think their is a misconception that tvs bike are not reliable. but as per my experience tvs bike are more durable than other. my rtr is 11000 km on odo there is even not a single trouble even i have adjusted my chain only 4 times. i always run the bike hard always takes quicker acceleration, over 100km for long time but till now i got 119 km/h as top speed as i am a heavy man 105kg. i have another bike tvs flame 22000 km in odo after 20000 i changed the chain due rough driving else it may last upto 30000 km , top speed 98km/h in flame. fuel 60-90 vary upon your speed. so tvs bikes are reliable durable and heavy duty bikes. but you have take care like basic maintenance else no bike will long last.
so if you want to purchase a bike and your budget is below 80k then prefer RTR 180. above 80k prefer Pulsar 220. no need to have YZF r15 or karizma both are bullshit according to price tag above 1lakh. Pulsat 220 at 80-85k is more powerfull and more pickup and easy beat yzf r15 so why waist so xtra money as well as more money on parts and maintenance.
that my opinion when you get more on less price prefer that. now day those people are changing there bike when new on arrives so why we invest higher money when we get same performance on lower price.
it is upto you what you will purchase.
but never underestimate RTR. mind it.
hello guys…..
next month i m going to buy new bike
but going to buy in 150cc segment
i have seen all.. pulsar 150cc , unicorn , hunk , sucks…
i m confused b/w rtr 160fi n FZ-16 yamaha..
i m tall 6 feet n guys plz can u segest me the better bike for me
it will be very greatful…. my email ID is
deol_rocker@yahoo.com
it will be my first bike…
do write me i will be thankfull to u
-deol
Hi KMC,
I Hope you have to reevaluate your Hypothesis. Have you ever really raced to Victory against a Karizma or R15? . Last week in a Signal I meet a Friend like you in RTR 180 and I was in my R15.Both of us knew we are competing with each other.The signal turned Green, I just kept my bike @ 8000rpm for the first Four gear shifts and I really dont know what happened to the RTR 180 as he was not appearing in the Side mirror , Probably racing with some Scooty chicks. If you dont understand what is the effect of 8K rpm constantly for the first 4 gear shifts in a R15, Please borrrow an R15 and test it you will understand your RTR is no where in comparison with R15.
hi Friends ,,,,please do mention ho long will a RTR run’s with rough use if it ,,,i say ,,,,,better to go with some other rather then a RTR Since one half year on my Bike i paid 15000 to the showroom but no use,,, its just a show Bike,,,not for regular use,,,,, and not for a middle class person ,,,,,and more over,,,, even in wet place you can even standby on your bike,,,it skids,,,,,
Fuel tech is the latest in India and proven technology over the world…totally computer mechanized system gives to unadulterated performance unlike carburetor version .
yes this is a fact for all FI tech mills u have to fill the gud quality octane petrol.. it will run on normal petrol also but will sometime fuel injector blocks…so don’t worry u can use super petrol of any brand….
I am using this bike from past 14 months and honestly telling that i did not face any problem in performance, still it touches 100 kmph within blinks and razor sharp braking for controlling this mean machine.. but there is a negligible vibes between 4500-5500 rpm which is manageable in front of the performance of this mean machine….
mileage above 45 kmpl in city always and 50+ in highways….
apart from that negligible and manageable vibes the bike is a masterpiece from TVS in current era.
NICE ONE MAN!
APACHE RULES!!!
WITH ITS LOWER PRICE TAG AND PERFORMANCE AS SUCH,ITS ANY DAY BETTER THAN FZ 16 OR R15 FOR THAT MATTER…………..
i am planning to buy an apache rtr fi 160 but the dealer says that it requires around 5 litres petrol at all times and if u try to start it otherwise the pump jams and requires resetting….is this true?plus he says that it has a higher maintenance requirement….
One thing more if the battery goes dead for some reason would this FI version start or not???
In all he is asking me to buy RTR 160 without FI…….
Please help……
Reply: Pankaj
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Hi Pankaj
what’s your budget if your budget is high then go for RTR 180.
it is better than RTR 160 FI.I think RTR 180 price is same or 1 thousand more.
do not go for FI as because you will not get good service very less service center has equipments for FI service.
RTR petrol reserve is 2liter
so you need to fill more than 2 liter for first ride then after than you have to fill the tank general way.
RTR is full maintenance free
but you have to maintain your bike
like
Lubricate chain weekly.
check chain at proper adjustment ( little loose adjustment so that vibes will decrease at higher speed ).
chain adjustment monthly basis.
nothing else maintenance.
if you plan RTR 160 range then go for RTR 160 not FI
and with out REAR DISC.
no need of REAR disc for RTR 160
it adds maintenance cost as well as poor breaking in rainy season.
so better go for RTR 160 with front disc or RTR 180
@pankaj,
Yes, FI has some maintenance problem and minimum amount of fuel (i think around 3ltrs) should aloways be there in the tank …
Better go for rtr 160 or rtr 180… rtr180 is awesome in performance… if you ready to compromise in mileage rtr180 will be a better option….
I have a rtr 180 and get around 38 to 42 kmpl… awesome bike …
hey….. pankaj… lisen… r u a big fan of… or rtr fi 160????
if yes go for it….. dnt worry just buy the bike….
then everything rite coz u will love ur bike n u will take care just like ur girl frnd…
but lisen… if u r not a fan…. then go for honda dazzler 150cc.. new version of unicorn….
this new bike is awsome looks,performance,style, better technology…
where ever rtr is pure racing bike…..
rest choice is ur…….
@munu,@Dinesh
Thanks guys for ur comments….i have heard a lot of people say that Apache rear disk brakes are bad…and so i will buy the one without rear disk brakes if i do not buy the FI..
@jaskaran..Thanks a lot…since the time i thought of buying a bike apache has been on my mind and i will buy an apache only…
i test rode a non FI apache bcoz the dealer did not have it on stock so hopefully tommorow i will go to another dealer to ask about the FI..
all the guys there one more question…
since the FI has computerised fuel injection if in any case the battery goes dead will the bike start or not…
I have made up my mind to buy Apache RTR. Thanks for the suggestions. Could you tell me, is there any problem with the RTR EFI bike ? When i asked in the Showroom , they said it has some problems.
Is EFI not available? Which is better RTR EFI or RTR RD . Please suggest. Thanks
@saahil,
yes, every showroom guy is saying that the FI has some problems.
I was also planning to buy the FI but now have changed my mind and am buying a RTR 180
http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bike/13047-help-want-buy-apache-rtr-160-fi-but-dealer-says-otherwise.html
take a look at this link…i had asked about problems in the FI and after answers here and on xbhp.com i found out that the FI does not have any major problems and is quite a good bike but do consider the fact that it requires caring on your part.
in any case the FI is better than the RD(Rear disk brake carbs version, i suppose)…People also advised that RTR 160 Rear disk brakes are very bad and said to go for RTR 160 with Rear drum brakes)
all the very best…
please do tell about your choice
OK friends,
there are lots of comments, we have read the pros-cons, theortcally compared all the bike of our concerned, and every thing we can do about these bikes.
But friends i would like to ask a simple question. Is it possible in this world that every body has the same taste????????????????????
Definatly you will say no and it is not possible.
So friends evrery body has it own requirements.
I have never ride R15 & Karizma ZMR, but i have tested Pulsar (All variants), Unicorn, CBZ, Apache (all Variants), FZ16, Thunder bird, Bullet and many more.
I my self own APache RTR160, Pulsar 150 & CBZ extreme. All the bikes are very good but i personally like Apache very much. The best part of this is its sitting position, sound and pickup but this bike require special care and sucks money for its maintenance. I have already spent more than the cost of this bike in its maintenance with in 2 years (becasue i encountered a serious accident on Apache). Now I want to sell this and now I’ll go for Apache RTR180fi. In my views and after riding all bikes (except R15 & Karizma ZMR) i appreciate Apache for its technology, Superb SOUND, Superb Handling. R15 is better bike than Apache but its cost too much high for a 150cc bike. I know it is having more advanced technology and it has been invented for real racing but Apache is not inferior than this and a strong comptetor.
Finnaly i would say that if you have money to burn then go for R15 and if you want to utilise your money then go for Apache RTR160. This is the only criterion for chosing among thses bikes.
@Apache Boy:very well said….
i would like to say that i bought a pearl white apache rtr 180 just 2 days back and it is pure awesomeness….
also does anyone know when 180 Fi will be launched???
1ST of all i want 2 say that a race modelled bike should be long like race bike. if a rider sits at the seats 3/4 of d bike is covered in apache ….try 2 create apache as like race bike… presently its modell is paining 2 say it a race bike……
Hi Guys,
The blog here is awesome with all experiences in racing. Comparisons must match up with cc of the vehicle. ..later compare on torque and/or pick up.
Compare Pulsar 180 cc with Apache RTR 180 cc is ideal. There is no use speaking 160cc against 180cc or 200cc or even 220 for racing.
friends firstly let’s not say any bike is crap.every bike has its pros & cons isn’t it?as to R15 i personally dont like its over sized front fairing & sharp features while others may be charmed by it.so looks are totally subjective.every manufacturer had tried to hoodwink buyers by not manufacturing upto global standards to scrimp on cost & customer awareness & lack of competition.but that has changed now.yamaha was not at all concentrating on india which showed in its sales.but now that has changed.even honda was very complacent.but all that has changed for the better.tvs apache had some quality issues but that hasn’t been totally rectified yet.yamaha bikes have no such issues & they are target segment is one who never sees the fuel meter until its red.they demand only looks & out of world experience.HH has to invest a lot in technology if it wants to become truly global.i also suggest bike manufacturers to come up with service centres at every place where they sell bike.as to review please stick to your own experience about bike leaving out subjective comments & bike tech specifics & copy paste from other reviews /road test.we all have widely read to smell the language used being copied.
u,r right dude after i own a rx100 and now yamaha r preparing scrap in the market
u,r right dude i own a rx100 and now yamaha r preparing scrap in the market
those idiots…who supports bajaj and tvs…..have no rights to call for a race…. Some supports pulsar 220 and some supports apache 180.U all know one thing pulsar 220 is the fastest bike in bajaj company and apache rtr 180 is the fastest in tvs company.Now i darely ask to come for a race with Yamaha R1 which is fastest in yamaha company………… Warning:never say bajaj and tvs are best company…as said by sme fools in the above post