A 150cc Yamaha R15 or a 1000cc Yamaha R1… No Bike In The Middle?
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I have been driving a Hero Honda Karizma for the past 5 years and I am looking to swap it for a better one. The next best thing I got is the Yamaha R15, but it does not make sense to go from 223cc to 150cc by paying a higher price. Of course, Yamaha R15 is better than Karizma in certain aspects of performance, but the thin rear tyres of the Yamaha R15 would make me look like a kid driving a bi-cycle. Ok, if I want broad rear tyres, I got Yamaha FZ16, but where is the sportiness?
If I want more than that, there is Yamaha R1, Honda Fireblade and Suzuki Hayabusa, but for that kind of price, I could by a Honda or Totota luxury C-Segment sedan with automatic transmission. More over, the price is nearly doubled in India for these imported bikes because of the import duty by the great Indian government. Even if I am ready to shell out such an exorbitant price for the machine, there is not a service facility in my city, the spare parts are costly, I should fill it up with high octane fuel only and last but not the least, Indian roads suck!
Now what I want is a 400cc or 600cc bike with 60-80 horses and should be priced below 5 lakhs. I do not know anything about the bikes in the grey market and even if there is a channel to buy one, I don’t want to drive an illegal bike. What is really going on with the bike manufacturers in India? A bunch of 100cc bikes with almost the same engine but each with a new name every few months, a bunch of 110cc bikes, a couple of 125 and 135cc bikes, a few 150cc bikes and 2 bikes which “try” to reach the 250cc mark but falls short by a 20-30cc. And finally a 350cc bike with age old looks.
I have quit biking. It seems that I no longer want to ride a 2 wheeler. Beggars can’t be choosers… I have no choice but to accept the “Indian conditions” and convince myself to drive a 4-wheeler (and get stuck in the traffic).
The superbikes imported by the companies like Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki are not meant for sales and profit. I doubt whether these companies hardly sold more than 100 bikes in India. In my opinion, these bikes were launched in India just to get some free popularity and deliver the false image of a “powerful company” which produces bikes with 1 litre engines. The ultimate goal for these companies is to sell as many number of 100-150cc bikes and increase their bottom line.
If the government is not allowing the import of 400cc-600cc bikes, that is probably due to the influence of companies like TVS, Hero Honda and Bajaj. If the foreign companies increase the number of bike models in their portfolio, one by one the local companies would become extinct and that is not good for the Indian economy. Imagine 20 different bike models (with unique engines) in the showrooms of Honda or Yamaha… and Bajaj, TVS and Hero Honda’s showroom filled with just 10 bike models with the same engine in every 3 bikes… that would hurt the brand image of the local guys for sure and the sales would drop.
At least let us be happy that the same situation did not happen with cars. Imaging having only Maruti 800s and Altos to start with and if you want more, you got BMW 3 Series or Mercedes C Class! That would have been hell!
Deepak,
Losing the biking passion
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28 comments
Hameed on June 8, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Yes Deepak, I completely agree with you. The big Japs are just releasing their liter classes to gain the name and ultimatum. And to say more, Our Indian bike companies are becoming weak, in the sense of introducing a 400, 500, 600 classes. I’m looing the biking passion too.
Anil on June 8, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Hi Deepak,
you are right, instead of buying these imported bikes better to go with a 4 wheeler. BUT WHAT TO DO “A BIKE IS A BIKE”
cant forget it even we have a BMW or Mercedes.In my opinion a car is nothing in front of bike. Why don’t you wait for some more time because bajaj is on the way to bring the NINZA 250. It might fulfill our passion on sports bikes. Hope they will launch it soon. Reply me. @nil
Deepak on June 8, 2009 at 4:06 pm
The thrill of biking is unmatched. Even a convertible wouldn’t be half as good as a bike. And I wonder when Bajaj will launch the Ninja 250 in India. It keeps getting postponed.
George on June 9, 2009 at 12:00 am
Deepak Bajaj may launch Ninja 250 by next year in first half.Are you ready to wait till then..?
Anil on June 9, 2009 at 10:21 am
even i am also waitng for that. now im chilling with rtr160.
shiva on June 9, 2009 at 11:10 am
Karizma is the best one go for it again but wait till August they are planning to launch karizma-FI with rear disk brakes
fas on June 9, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Deepak, you needn’t worry, soon the Kawasaki Ninja 250R will be coming, which should quench your thirst.
Shahbaz on June 9, 2009 at 3:34 pm
You said it Deepak……….
sudarshan on June 9, 2009 at 5:54 pm
hi Deepak
you have hit the nail on the bulls eye.
every word in your article sums up the the frustration of every indian biking enthisiast in our country
alas i dont see any improvement in the indian biking scene for another 10 years minimum.
and by the time indian manufacturers come up with 500 + cc bikes it would only be after 20+ years.
and of course we all poor poor indian bikers will be too old by then to indulge in biking of our passions and dreams
even if we had the money whats the point.
if a man is starving to death and thirsty as hell, he should be provided with some water and food while he is still alive, there is no point in providing the person with gallons of water and a feast fit for a king, after his death…
i feel all us indian bikers face such a situation. and biking in india has no future i feel.
all our dreams and passions for biking are a mirage.
the only antidote i see is,
get out of the country, make your own fortune in a few years and buy your dream bike and ride your bike till your heart’s content.
dont think at 50 that you should have done this or that or how you should have lived your life.
because at 50 you might have a family, money, position, status, fame… but you will never get your youth back and your enthusiasm and your passions. you will be an incomplete soul
you will only have a heavy heart which will be broken due to the brunt and burden it bore
if you think you are worth more than what you are riding (223cc bike) and only a hayabusa will satiate your biking hunger then get out out of this country.
as long as you are in india nothing will happen except your mounting frustrations and before you know it you will be too old to ride a bike by the time a 500 cc bike is manufactured in india.
what i propose is a much sensible and practical option.
in abroad you have the bikes, the roads, the service, the spares, nothing missing in the equation. being in the right place and doing the right thing at the right time is very important.
when ever a new business is opened, first the investors look for the right location as this ensures the future is profitable for the business.
if such is the case then when it comes to our lives how careful should we be??? being in the right place is conquering half the battle.
india might be considered a knowledge park for the western world but we are still in the medieval ages as compared to the western world which is in every sense of the word really MODERN
as for me i can confidently say i will buy a zx14 by 2012, realistically i know how to achieve my biking passions
i have already planned my life, where i should go, what i will do for a profession, how i will earn my fortune,
because i know i am worth more than what i ride now (karizma), for me to buy a karizma i took me more than 5 years to save up due to economic and financial conditions in india.
so if this is the case, if i want to buy a ninja zx14 i would be 60+ before i save that kind of money.
how can i ride a bike when i am 60.
i will be going abroad for my higher studies this year end and to pursue my snooker passion as i will be playing for the world pro snooker qualifying.
the PG qualification that i will get will help me get a job until i make it to the top 16 in world snooker.
and once i make it to the top 16 my life will achieve a new dimension. i will get enough money to fulfill my biking passions.
so i will reward myself with a zx 14 by 2012.
and no one’s the wiser
finding a remedy is better than blaming
so go out there and get what you are worth, there is no point in cribbing.
only those who dare to chase their dreams will ever catch them while others fade into the oblivion..
with warmest regards
suda
Deepak on June 9, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Sudarshan,
What you typed in are not just words! It hits me so hard that I am not able to say anything about it right now. My brain is in a state of tension/compression or whatever!
Need a week to think about it. But I know there is nothing to think… only to find excuses not to go after my dreams. I hope I don’t think and take some action!
Will keep you updated, and Good Luck for your Snooker thing!
Deepak
yash on June 10, 2009 at 4:16 am
only those who dare to chase their dreams will ever catch them while others fade into the oblivion
sudarshan
deepak
i compleltey agree with u both
i still remember how much i had to wait to buy just a hero honda splendor befor eight years
i couldnt even afford a used one for 11000 rs only
well times changed n i worked hard
very hard
caught my dream profession…
i love what i work..
its my hobby n now managed to buy yamaha yzf r15..
i would say it is currently the best bike in its segment
probably better than pulsar n karizma …..
when u ride it is heaven
superb balance even at 140cc
extremely light weighted….
amazing killer looks…..
and the attention it grabs….
its magic
but here in kuwait i actually found out ducati, honda, harley davidson, yamaha, suzuki, kawasaki, bmw n other bikes are v v cheap
i could actually buy the used ones among them at 3lakhs inr.
but what a pity…
can import it to india…..
as the duties would amount around 110%
such frustration
i m really frustrated n thinking everyday what to do…
its pain
the wait is v v long..
bajaj is postponing …
and it keeps on delaying and postponing everyday……….
we dont need pulsars now
we need more
give us at least kawaaski 250r
but when
they said that they will release it in may or june 2009 ?
if i m nt mistaken isnt it june 2009?????
what are u doing bajaj ?
finally with the frustration buliding up
i will go for a hayabussa 1300cc
and yes i knw others will mock me as i can buy a luxury sedadn at that price of 1400000 inr
but the passion of bikes is uncomparable
u cant compare it to any sedan
i believe riding a hayabussa will b much better than honda sedan
i cant wait to sacrifice my love
we r getting older
n if we dont satisfy it now then when ?
??????
Utkarsh Bhagat on June 10, 2009 at 7:37 am
This is abso-damn-lutely so true, It really sucks not to have a decent 300-500cc range of sportbike in India.
I could not agree more, this is the need of an hour!!
dhiraj c raut on June 10, 2009 at 3:55 pm
friends this companies are here to earn profits.. we bike enthusiasts represent only a few percentage of population the rest percentage only want a bike with decent fuel economy…that means we have less takers for high performance bikes than the economic bikes so this company will only launch bikes that keeps them in profits….the biggest example is hero honda…the thing this company is doing well because it concentrates on high masses bikes that gives them profit…let our economy improve we will see performance bikes even from HH thats for sure and our country will be flooded with performance bikes…this will only happen when there are enough buyers for this bikes to keep the companies in profits…..we will have our time very soon…because the world is headed towards us…so will the bikes..
Deepak on June 10, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Well said Dhiraj. The whole world is headed towards India, thats for sure.
Shree on June 11, 2009 at 10:13 am
hey buddy….u must wait for kawasaki ninja zx250 r…..it will be an amazing bike with sportive look, too good performane….it has a 250 cc,oil cooled engine,32hp..guess it is an amazing power, it can reach a top speed of 170+kmph easily…..so y lookin for bigger capacity engines….wait till december….ninja will roll into indian market….it will create a boom…..all other 250cc bikes will have to give way to this powerful bike….
dinesh on June 11, 2009 at 12:15 pm
You guys are amazing. First of all thanks to Deepak for such an amazing article, and Sudarshan best of luck from my side too. The conditions described above is really very true for Indian biking, pathetic!. The foreign brands are very costly for an average indian. I think their main motto is to make their bottom line strong by introducing powerful bikes in India as they hardly taken by an average Indian.
Desi brands needs to upgrades themselves to win the heart of every individual Indian biker.
I’ve LML freedom for the last 5.5 years without any problem, I don’t know why the company closes their manufacturing plant. Anyways hope will get a new soon.
“warna samay door nahi jab desi brands patan ke kareeb ho aur yamaha, honda, kawasaki jaisi brands apna parcham lahrayenge.”
Regards..
dhiraj c raut on June 11, 2009 at 2:21 pm
the specifications that u mentioned for ninja are for international markets india will get a tuned down version so as to improve economy i guess it will be close to 27bhp not more than that….
dhiraj c raut on June 11, 2009 at 2:24 pm
i suggest u deepak wait longer if u can.. dont buy the ninja u will see much better bikes that will be launched to take on ninja….thats for sure…
yash on June 11, 2009 at 5:50 pm
hi all
i m sure that new versions many bikes will b released to take on the ninja
also heard that harley davidson is looking to venture in india too
but all this should at least take more than a year or two…
what we really need is bikes in the 300cc to 600cc segment…
i am now in kuwait and a new brand yamaha r1 costs here is around 6 lakhs inr
and everybody rides superbikes here
say ducati or harley davidson or a bmw or a hayabussa…
the point is that here we get it so cheap..
and hence every bike lover can affored it
and hence they have these bikes
but why in india it is doubled in price
if we get these bikes at the same prices then our markets will also b flooded with these bikes and we will c these bikes everywhere on road…
our government should do something about it…
the simply dont want us to enjoy these superbikes..
we have to go far beyond to get them
imagine that my friend who is a kuwaiti is selling me his used ducati monster for just 2lakhs..
but i cnt get it to india s i will hv to pay loads n loads of taxes to quench government thirst..
its a plight but true
so i guess we have to compromise or b happy with 300cc bikes only for now
: )
dhiraj c raut on June 12, 2009 at 9:40 am
buddy there is a logic behind all these things here in india the bikes costs are high as there is it is not essential commmodity whereas if u compare the prices of food items ,water etc with kuwait i am sure india is way cheaper….in other words if india imposing taxes that means there is a fair chances that those companies might open there manufacturing units if there is increasing in demand for there bikes..this means increase in employment and much cheaper bikes…it is only a matter of few years that u will see cbr1000rr , r1 , hayabusa being made in india and exported to other countries….
yash on June 12, 2009 at 7:00 pm
hi dhiraj
u said correct but i dont think that anything can happen before 5 years at least…
we are getting older n i feel we may not even have the passion later which we have now
but for us WAIT is sure…….
i m planning to buy a ducati monster here as an alternative…
they provide expert training along with the bike
its professional biking taining…..
hope our government changes the market structure….
lets wait till then..
dhiraj c raut on June 13, 2009 at 10:02 am
nice beast that DUCATI MONSTER …well enjoy your riding experience i just want to add on a real bike enthusiast never gets old so stop worrying about your age..keep riding forever…
rajat on June 13, 2009 at 12:10 pm
man you guys just do commenting can you so called karizma reach the score of 143.6km/h,huh? If it can, i’ll agree to you.
dhiraj c raut on June 13, 2009 at 5:38 pm
well the speed u mention is speedometer speed the actual stock karizma can do a true speed of 124.69 kmph i hope u know about true speeds and speedometer speeds and also companies do some settings to speedo so that u feel that u r going faster but u r not…so if u got that reading on speedometer that means u are actually doing 124.69 kmph or close to it…the fastest bike in india currently is yamaha yzf r15 with true speed of 130.2 kmph….
yash on June 13, 2009 at 8:59 pm
hey rajat
we can reach 220 km/h or more than or any speed higher than that easily
to b a bit frank let me tell u that we can do it bcoz we are nt afraid of repenting from our mistakes…
we love biking and are not afraid of DYING…
i knw its madness but there is no gain without risk n pain
or else drive along with everybody on roads at 80km/h n b the same..
dare to b different..
plz dont take it personally…
thanks
: )
yash on June 14, 2009 at 5:08 am
well u r very correct dhiraj
absolutely true
Rahul on July 14, 2009 at 4:56 pm
As smbdy pted out dat d desird product ll b availed in market only if it has demand.u ppl make very small pool for dat.dats wat 300-500 cc bikes r nt available here in india.plus pathetic road condition make d thing even more worse.n y r 1000cc bikes avlble? Coz dey already were in produxn in west n all wat dey did was imported them payin bigger taxes.nway dis is fr sure dat wen these ll find suficient demand by then they ll st producin d same.
Sathish on January 5, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Hey Guys, YAMAHA is about to launch R6 and Honda to launch CBR 600RR…Just wait and watch…price is expected to be around 7+ lakh…
Cheers
– Sathish